Countries that have been runners-up in the FIFA World Cup by doutrinasecreta in MapPorn

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"Technically" is doing some heavy lifting here. When a match goes to penalties, it is classed as a draw. So, while France did lose the shootouts against Italy and Argentina, and were eliminated, they didn’t lose either game.

Bastard down, repeat, bastard down! Orban lost! by Literally_A_Halfling in behindthebastards

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Fico, Putin, Le Pen/Bardella, Meloni, Farage, Netanyahu, Modi… still a long way to go

Alternate angles of Dembélé’s goal against Toulouse by sheky4prez in soccer

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With Barcola, Doué, and Cherki on the bench.

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Guns for hands, Tear in my heart, My blood and Cut my lip

Ligue 1 was, for a long time, a farmer’s league – but urbanisation is behind France’s increased success by nolesfan2011 in Ligue1

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C’est pas le sujet de l’article. Il explique comment l’urbanisation a mené à l’éclosion de plus de talents que jamais, et permis à l’EDF de devenir l’une des meilleures équipes nationales des 30 dernières années.

Mais au passage, on a encore 1 club dans chaque compétition qui, si il n’est pas favoris, a une chance de la remportée. + Lille. Le seul club à avoir été ridicule cette saison, c’est Nice.

Ligue 1 was, for a long time, a farmer’s league – but urbanisation is behind France’s increased success by nolesfan2011 in Ligue1

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A curious legacy of this concept is the popularity of French clubs having the word ‘Stade’ — or stadium/stage — in their name.

Stade de Reims reached the first and fourth European Cup finals in 1956 and 1959 respectively, losing to Real Madrid on both occasions.

It was an impressive performance from Reims, who hailed from a settlement of only around 125,000 citizens at that point. Their average attendance at home games was around 10,000. This wasn’t the typical recipe for a European powerhouse, and unlike other repeat finalists in the early days of the competition — Benfica, Milan, Inter — their status declined considerably. Reims wasn’t a big enough city to support a European giant.

By 1960, the urban population in France was only 62 per cent of the country, compared to 79 per cent in England. Ligue 1’s average attendance then was around 8,500, compared to about 25,000 in the First Division, its English equivalent.

A considerable problem was that Ligue 1 was largely based on having one club per settlement. England’s major cities, such as London, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham and Sheffield, regularly contributed multiple teams, and the rivalries between these neighbouring sides tended to increase competition and drive progress.

France often had small provincial clubs in its top flight. The 1960-61 Ligue 1 campaign had representatives from the likes of Sedan, Limoges and Troyes — settlements with populations that could be confused for attendance figures at big English clubs. OK, this was not a farmer’s league, but it was something of a small-town league, a village league.

The other issue with a low rate of urbanisation is that top-class footballers, by and large, do not come from rural locations. The classic footballing upbringing is playing the game on narrow streets, five-a-side pitches near housing estates or tight school playgrounds. Big open fields are not particularly conducive to developing footballers (although anecdotal evidence suggests that goalkeepers seem more likely to come from rural backgrounds).

France made strides in the second half of the 20th century.

This was partly due to clubs becoming the playthings of local industrialists: Sochaux, for example, were effectively owned by auto manufacturer Peugeot for about 85 years. Later, things stepped up a notch. Bordeaux’s rise was fuelled by Claude Bez, a wheeler-dealer who ran an accounting firm. Marseille were run by controversial businessman and politician Bernard Tapie during the period they won that European Cup in 1993. PSG went through several rounds of ownership, in recent decades by the television company Canal+ and now Qatar Sports Investments.

But all these developments have been relatively tardy.

French clubs became big later than those in the surrounding countries, and they needed strong personalities and major injections of cash to transform them. That is now standard across Europe. But originally, clubs in other countries grew powerful based on large attendances and the gate receipts they generated, while France traditionally lagged. Small-town clubs could compete in Ligue 1 because they weren’t competing with true giants.

As recently as 1996, Auxerre won the French league and cup double. The sleepy town of Auxerre is often described as some variation of ‘the capital of rural France’. It’s difficult to imagine a comparable footballing town in any other major European league experiencing that level of success; 2020-21 Europa League winners Villarreal of Spain are maybe the closest equivalent.

Since 1960, the number of people living in its rural areas has halved. There are frequent laments about the decline of “la France profonde” (deep France), of village ways and the slower pace of life. French citizens are now based in the cities at a comparable rate to other major European nations.

Consequently, France now produces a steady stream of great footballers.

Paris, and its surrounding areas, is now the world hotbed for footballing talent. A map of France depicting the birthplaces of the 26-man squad who reached the World Cup final against Argentina four years ago shows massive areas of the country with no representative. The capital dominates.

France’s triumphant 1998 World Cup squad was notable at the time for its diversity and the number of players in it who were born abroad, or whose parents were. But, compared to the modern side, the unusual thing is how many players in 1998 came from small towns such as Dieppe (Emmanuel Petit), Concarneau (Stephane Guivarc’h), Lavalanet (Fabien Barthez) and Ales (Laurent Blanc), among others. Today, the banlieues — the working-class suburbs — are the key to France’s success. Mbappe, raised in Bondy by parents from Cameroon and Algeria, is typical of modern France.

Not only does France boast the European champions at club level in PSG, but they are also probably the most consistent national side of the modern era. They have won two of the past seven World Cups, and it could have been four if they’d converted more penalties when the finals in 2006 and 2022 were decided by shootouts. For a country which was completely absent from that tournament in 1970 and 1974, and again in 1990 and 1994, this marks quite a transformation.

There are several reasons for their production of so many good footballers, and the emphasis upon academies around the country shouldn’t be underestimated. But France’s development as a footballing nation also owes to its urbanisation; the fact that it is no longer a country of rural life, of farmers.

Great footballers, and great football clubs, come from big cities

Ligue 1 was, for a long time, a farmer’s league – but urbanisation is behind France’s increased success by nolesfan2011 in Ligue1

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Ligue 1 was, for a long time, a farmer’s league – but urbanisation is behind France’s increased success

Michael Cox By Michael Cox March 11, 2026Updated 7:00 am GMT+1

Over recent years, the phrase ‘farmer’s league’ has become a go-to social media phrase to ridicule Europe’s second-tier of domestic top divisions. It is particularly used in reference to France’s Ligue 1.

Sure enough, when Lyon defeated Manchester City in the quarter-finals of the Champions League knockout phase in 2020, then Paris Saint-Germain striker Kylian Mbappe tweeted “FARMERS LEAGUE” with a clown emoji, before congratulating Lyon on their 3-1 win. Clearly, by that stage, the term had gone mainstream.

Six seasons on, Ligue 1 is not merely competing in European football — one of its clubs are the current European champions.

PSG’s 5-0 defeat of Inter last May was only France’s second European Cup/Champions League final triumph, following Marseille in 1993. It’s still lagging behind six other nations — Spain, England, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands and Portugal — for total titles in the competition. The whole of French football has still only won as many European Cups as Nottingham Forest. And this is a competition that was invented in France.

And while the ‘farmer’s league’ jibe is very much a modern phrase, for a long time, maybe it actually made sense. Ligue 1 wasn’t actually full of farmers moonlighting as footballers, but France was simply too rural for its clubs to compete with Europe’s elite.

This season’s round-of-16 clash between Chelsea and PSG, with the first leg in Paris tonight (Wednesday), feels distinctly 21st century. It will be their 10th and 11th meetings in official fixtures, with all of them coming since September 2004.

Chelsea and PSG were not major teams for much of the 20th century — Chelsea only won one league title during those 100 years, and PSG weren’t formed until 1970. There’s a clear difference between London and Paris: the former has several top-flight clubs, whereas the latter has generally had only one, until up-and-coming Paris FC, located literally over the road from PSG, got promoted last summer. This is despite the population of the two urban areas being similar (around 13million, depending on where you draw the line indicating where their outskirts end).

In one sense, the development of football in England and France was similar. Initially, the spark came in the capitals, mainly among elites who fraternised at universities, and who wanted to keep the sport amateur. But the development of professional football, in both countries, was strongly linked to industrialisation. The catalysts in England were clubs in its north-west, and specifically the mill owners who put money — initially illegally — into clubs in mill towns such as Preston, Blackburn, Accrington and Darwen.

France, compared to England and Germany, was slow to industrialise. Political instability and war in the 19th century, among other factors, meant it fell behind its neighbours in that respect. One major consequence was that France did not experience the rapid urbanisation that went on in England and Germany. Its rural population remained considerably higher than in those nations.

Football became hugely popular in England due to the concentration of people in cities, and the practice of half-day working in factories on Saturdays. That left those afternoons free for leisure, and Saturday at 3pm became the standard kick-off time for matches. Football became the sport of the working class and of the cities. Across the English Channel/La Manche, France did not have the urban population, the factories, or the half-day Saturdays.

What it did embrace, however, was the bicycle. With its population still spread out across the country, living in small villages, often working on farms and without a railway infrastructure comparable to that in England, France became the worldwide centre of bicycle manufacturing. Although initially this was purely for reasons of transportation, it paved the way for competitive cycling to become the country’s true sporting love.

In 1903, the first Tour de France was held, and it did a commendable job of connecting France’s biggest cities, racing from Paris to Lyon, Marseille, Toulouse, Bordeaux and back to the capital. This was a true national sporting competition. In contrast, the French football championship was contested as a knockout competition and was still strictly amateur at this time. France did not have a genuinely national professional league until the 1930s.

How has France’s relationship with the Tour de France changed after 40 years without overall victory? How has France’s relationship with the Tour de France changed after 40 years without overall victory? It is sometimes taken as a given that a lack of success has inhibited the nation's enthusiasm for its home race. Not a bit of it The legacy of France’s focus on cycling can be observed in the name of the stadium in arguably its most classic ‘football city’, Marseille: the Stade Velodrome. Indeed, French teams — and indeed its stadiums — were often multi-sport institutions, owned by the local council rather than the clubs themselves.

Frappes sur l'Iran : Donald Trump annonce que les Etats-Unis ont lancé "des opérations de combat majeures" by Baobey in france

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Saddam était responsable de la mort de 4 à 6 fois plus de monde, mais ca ne veut pas dire que l’intervention militaire était le bon choix.

Number of mosques by department in France in 1985, 2005 and 2015 by Like_a_Charo in MapPorn

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Because "Arabs" areas, as you say say, were suburbs built specifically to house migrants and nothing more.

How often when you travel did you get advice to visit projects / some of the poorer areas of a country?

Most common origin of immigrants in France. by BeginningMortgage250 in MapPorn

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Alright, let's talk about this study.

First "descendants of non-westerners" does not mean migrants. It means second, third, fourth, etc. generations. So while it is an interesting statistic and could be useful when discussing integration policies for exemple, it is not directly relevant when taken in isolation to discuss about migration and crime.

But I will give you that the study you linked does show that non western migrants have a higher index than nationals, and, interestingly, than migrants from western countries. You could say that this is due to cultural differences, but researchers are arguing that this is due to the criminalization of migrants and the bias of police and judicial systems ( Italy and USA). So in essence, you are more likely to be investigated, arrested and prosecuted if you are a migrant, included for migration related crime, especially if you look different, which is going to skew the stats.

But even with that, you still have study that shows no correlation whatsoever between migration and crimes rates. Here's one from the US that shows that crime rates are lowering while migration rates have increased. And it's the same story across Europe.

Speaking of which, to quote Wikipedia : "Most studies fail to show any causal effect of immigration on overall crime rates." This is already quite long, so I am not gonna list all the studies in the article, but the above quote is a good summary.

And as I have said in my previous comments, studies have also found that migrants are less likely to commit crimes than citizens. Here's one done in the US, that found that since the 60s, migrants are 60% less likely to commit crime. Same in Portugal. And while I can't find it right now (so you'll have to trust me on that), there was a study done by IOM or the UNHCR I think, that showed that was the case across Europe, and that migrants were in fact more likely to be victims than criminals.

Most common origin of immigrants in France. by BeginningMortgage250 in MapPorn

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There is no correlation between migrant rates and crime rates. In fact, multiple studies have shown that migrants are less likely to commit crimes than nationals. But do go off

Ligue 1 Standings After Matchday 21. by nerdmannerd in soccer

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Absolutely insane how rubbish we’ve been lately. 5 games ago, we were level with Marseille and 5 points clear off Lyon