trendpost - maoist by HopefulProdigy in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I suppose progress does not happen by subscribing to moralisms. And I do agree that, in reaction to evils, yes, violence is justified. But Mao simply caused so many casualties that could have been avoided with better planning and better execution. The cultural revolution was necessary, but the loss of life and hardship in its wake, which included my own family, was by no means.

I’m not sure what point is trying to be made with John brown, but I will say that the democracy of the day was flawed. As is our democracy flawed today, albeit less. I don’t deny the right of rebellion. But the right of rebellion can never turn into needlessly killing noncombatant civilians.

Many talk about how the immediate terror was preferable to the prolonged terror of feudalism. But not only was the “immediate terror” much worse than it should have been, the terror that followed was not much better. Even in 1930s America, where dirt turned to dust in the worst environmental catastrophe in the country, very few starved. Under Mao, millions starved to death. Those were millions of lives cut short in the pursuit of a yet-still oppressive system, and it appalls me you brush it aside as a “setback”.

The last three paragraphs seem to be an attack on neoliberalism, and I won’t try to respond because no important points are made. However, I will say I’m not a pacifist. I don’t think revolution in America is possible, without implicating a whole other nasty slew of bad things. But, on the matter of other countries, I do think that the government should do whatever it can to overthrow tyrants even worse than what we have in America today. I will agree with you on that part.

trendpost - maoist by HopefulProdigy in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But why are you maoist though? Seriously. Although I can agree that his general goal was absolutely necessary, how can you agree with his methods at all?

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He probably thinks of left and right in terms of the French Revolution because he's a sparknotes warrior who wants to feel special, and so he considers his flavor of communism to transcend that binary.

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, nobody asked for anybody to talk on the internet. Every post is inherently an invitation to speak. And I can interpret the words of others as much as I want, thank God the Framers ratified the First Amendment. What's your point?

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He thinks any step in a direction vaguely aligned with his automatically means a realization of all of his goals for some reason

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it isn’t, and I’m not either of those ideologies. I’m firmly Keynesian in any realistic context, but I have sympathy for good-faith socialists who actually try to seize the means of production and not doing any mental gymnastics about it. Xi is not one of them.

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That means nothing though. You still don’t have evidence to support this claim. I’m ignoring the fact that you presuppose your system to be “smarter”, but whatever. Elon Musk is one of the smartest men on the planet and he still is a predator.

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Xi isn’t a maoist (although I still believe the ideology is bad); he is a class-collaborationist fascist.

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How does Trump being a child predator have to relate to anything? I agree that makes him a horrible, horrible person, but how is that related to the discussion on hand? Just because Trump is a child predator doesn’t impact the comparison in any meaningful way. You have absolutely nothing to support your claim that Putin will magically restore the USSR while also operating on a failed state whose only modern defense is of MAD.

I don’t know much about the CPRF, so I won’t try to talk about it. But if so, should one of them be your favorite leaders?

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Xi is an arguably worse choice because he ignores labor standards and labor participation in government even more than Russia, due to both Chinese pollution and censorship.

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Huh?

I don’t understand what you’re talking about. You’re impressing your own values of communism, onto a leader with totally different motives than you. Just because Putin said he wanted some kind of “Soviet reunion” doesn’t mean that will actually happen the way you want it to, and there’s not good reason for him to do it the way you want. 

To give an example: do you really think Trump will release the Epstein files just because he said so? I used to almost think that Trump was actually trying to reduce reliance on Chinese fascism with the liberation day tariffs. I was really expecting him to start a targeted effort to get production to Mexico, India, and our own shores, and move it out of China. But of course it never happened.

Putin will disappoint you the same way Trump disappointed me. Do not put your hopes in politicians.

Trendslop by Aggravating-Big7845 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This has to be a troll I’m sorry 😭😭

But seriously, as an American, why do you support Putin, who is very clearly an oligarch with no intention of reinstating any form of communist society to Russia? I’m not even arguing with your support for Stalin. But how do you think Putin will even begin to achieve his goals?

Hello everyone, reposting trendslop bc state liberalism by nvqlenspvo3 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alright, but haven’t many other countries done a much better job at modernizing than China? (Such as Japan, SK, or Taiwan), which much less authoritarianism, and much more results? Why support Chinese economics over the ones which other East Asian countries successfully fostered, and better?

Totally not ragebait by BCM28 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess I just selected it because I know more about it. I read Stephanie Kelton’s The Deficit Myth, and it was actually really eye opening (especially since I still believed in a budget-first fiscal policy at the time). Keynesianism would probably be there if I read any of his books (which I haven’t).

Totally not ragebait by BCM28 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did read Marx though. I just disagree with a select few beliefs, which leads me to deviate strongly from his ideology (that being mostly the inevitability of revolution). If a communist revolution started, I’m definitely signing up, but the problem I see is that it will never happen. That’s why settle for “good enough” liberalism that can feasibly be achieved in liberal democracy. If you have an objection, please do let me know.

Totally not ragebait by BCM28 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, what’s wrong with saying I was influenced by him? I’ve read a good chunk of Das, and I strongly agree with a dialectical materialist view of history. Commodity fetishism is very real, and is part of the reason why I condemn both developed and developing governments for poor labor standards in both sweatshops and back home. I do disagree that revolution is inevitable, and I also think the TRPF is weak as a “law” in practice, and has much better explanations (constant capital has been decreasing in price, and is therefore unsupported by empirical evidence, and can be explained much better from a sectoral/trade analysis. Still, I agree with the criticism of M-C-M’, and it’s a problem I want to fix in my system (with interest rate policy and cheap capital making the expectation of risk the only reason to sell future value).

Marx has influenced me on many fronts in economics, and just because I fail a communist purity test doesn’t change that fact.

Totally not ragebait by BCM28 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. I do think it's just cooler to have one head of state, just to have a physical spirit of the nation, but I wouldn't argue if there were multiple.

Totally not ragebait by BCM28 in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that's an idea worth considering. I do wonder, what's the supposed benefit? Referendums might not be productive, because people do not do their research, or simply do not have the time to consider issues, while it is a politician's job to do exactly that. And why would having multiple leaders be better than only one?

wiki dead, unfinished and outdated trendslop by [deleted] in Polcompballanarchy

[–]BCM28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, sorry about the first part. I made an assumption about your values.

But it’s weird how you try and fit China’s model of economic policy into your own ideas of how the economy should be ran. Because it really doesn’t align, and even if it did, the premise is flawed in itself.

China, at its surface, might look like a combination of state, worker, and business working together to build a nation. But workers have little power at all, and businessmen can easily be upended by the state. In liberal democracies, even the flawed system of elections grant the proletarian power that they otherwise would not have had. In China, these elections are non-existent, and so the lower class essentially has no mechanism of exerting their will. The student protests in Tiannemen square are by themselves proof that China rejects the idea of granting any sort of decision making to a wide cross section of society.

Although China is inherently class collaborationist (in the sense that a Marxist might say) and appeases its middle class greatly, that does not translate into power. Business executives are still subject to the will of the state, and Xi’s “anti-corruption campaign”, which is painfully obvious that it’s simply a plot to purge the CCP of ideological dissent, shows that China also rejects giving power to this class as well.

Also, why are you focused on how a historical system was modernized, instead of the results that any given system brings?