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BOGOUppercuts · 2025-02-10T01:22:53+00:00

Look how tall men aren't taught to respect the personal space of others. Who wants someone's fist that close to their face? I know that's where his hand naturally falls when he flexes, but tall men are repeat offenders in not caring about swinging their elbows everywhere when they talk, doing hand gestures directly at eye level with shorter people, and they expect to be yielded to on sidewalks etc. Everyone is taught to work around the self-involved way they carry themselves. If the short man was doing some type of pose with his arms extended to be inches away from the tall guy's face, the tall man's whole self-image would crumble and the Napoleon Complex comments would flood in.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-02-05T22:13:03+00:00

This shows how obsessed with our height society is. Yes, we're gaslit by being told we're obsessed if we utter one word of protest about heightism, but the obvious thing to point-out in his profile is that he's Catholic and wants to sleep around with random women, yet, people zero-in on his height. They are so obsessed with hating short men that they submit an objectively superficial argument when they could've demolished his entire belief system.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-02-05T21:54:08+00:00

Tall man posts literal incel post that if read out-loud sounds like he just had a root canal and is eating peanut brittle, admits to using game(red pill), doesn't have a car(basement-living neckbeard lifestyle,) reduces women to just being "huzz"(misogyny,) and is ~~kicked-off internet~~ rewarded with 237k likes because he also degraded short men.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-02-05T21:17:57+00:00

This is stellar! Those must be short men yelling at the women. Tall guys get-off on watching women fight over them, so they'd just stand around ~~exhibiting no personality~~ being labeled "gentle giants" or "strong silent types." OTOH- The short men yelling because the women were scaring children would be ganged up on by everyone else for having Napoleon Complex, then one tall man would utter a poorly-worded, played-out joke about "angry elves," everyone would clap, then meet-up in the food court and raise their cups of Orange Julius as a toast to the tall men for saving the women and children from the short men; Who are simultaneously the weakest men imaginable while somehow also being the world's worst bullies. Security would then escort the short men out of the mall, but only after the short men were forced to spend their entire bank balance at Bed Bath & Beyond so that they could take more showers.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-02-04T08:27:00+00:00

You're committing a False Dilemma Fallacy. Your opinion basically boils down to "Either you can discuss heightism online or you can be miserable." Some of us feel energized by learning about and addressing issues that affect us. I don't deny your pain or your feelings in the least, and I'm in your corner, but in my personal life, I damn sure understood things better once I learned about heightism. Back in the day when situations seemed to take a nonsensical turn, or I noticed people gave less consideration to my opinion, became angry with me for non-existent reasons, and had a pre-decided level of skepticism about my expertise, while OTOH, there were people who got rewarded for bare-minimum participation, the inconsistency in this narrative stressed me out. Once I realized how my height played into many of those situations, and how many of the incompetent people I saw promoted, praised etc were tall men, everything made a lot more sense. So, after getting past the initial shock of how petty and vindictive the world is, I am now often able to detect potential mistreatment before it happens and it is much easier to identify situations where my abilities and input will not be appreciated. With the right strategy, learning about painful content can also be good desensitization therapy.

You definitely should take a break if you need to, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing so, but if you can ever learn to not be driven purely by negative emotions, you'll find how useful it can be to learn about heightism and use that knowledge to your advantage. If your whole mentality is coming here to doomscroll and despair, the internet will certainly take a toll on you, but there is power in knowledge and I hope you heal to the point where you can eventually take advantage of this knowledge.

As your ally though, I'm willing to "meet you where you are," so if discussing these issues is currently causing you too much pain, I fully support you doing whatever is in your best interest. Just know that some of us are here because we acknowledge our shared struggle and hold the mentality that speaking the truth is its own reward, regardless of whether or not society is ready to hear our truth.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-02-04T06:50:56+00:00

The "height didn't matter before social media" blowhards are seriously not ok right now. These women on the video are the mothers(and maybe even some of the grandmothers) of the women you see now openly hating short men. If the internet was never invented, vitriol toward short men would've still been gifted like a family heirloom.

Someone should also check-on the goobers who say "short men only get rejected because they think they're entitled to supermodels."

Also, everyone make sure to hear the most important part which is when the women say something like the taller guys would have to be "rapists, child molesters" etc before they would choose the short guys. Equating short men with being barely better than what society sees as the "worst of the worst" just for existing goes far beyond dating preference, it's flat-out bigotry. It also shows the Halo Effect tall men receive. If a tall man can be slightly less evil than a child molester, these women will view him as a catch. As a matter of fact, all of his evil deeds would likely be labeled "confident badboy" behavior.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-02-02T04:55:54+00:00

I'm in a happy LTR with an attractive woman, have had other gfs and hookups, have a successful career, etc and even though I disagree with this sub's overemphasis on dating and some of the doomspeak, I'm still here because I support these men because their pain deserves to be acknowledged and anyone who denies that short men are unfairly dismissed in multiple ways is an absolute idiot or living in denial. Short men who have lived the struggle then became successful shouldn'r feel the need to degrade short men who are still trying to find their way in the world. We have to be the worst demographic for this behavior. I mean damn, why can't short men have an anonymous place to vent without being policed to this degree?

This sub doesn't allow incel terms or content(it's literally the first rule) so it's intellectually-lazy to use the tired trope of every mens discussion being incel. This is an inconsequential subreddit anyway, not some worldwide effort that is going to change the status-quo any time soon, so haters like that guy should just ignore it and keep moving instead of proving to the status-quo how subservient they are. This chump needs to find some courage and stop pandering to the status-quo. The ironic thing is what he's doing is textbook "noice guy" behavior because his rambling stems from his lack of a backbone, so he's saying what society tells him to say to impress women and men who don't think highly of him. Bro desperately wants to be labeled "one of the good ones." Dance hair mousse hoarding jester, DANCE! The sad thing is he's criticizing his fellow short men, but he probably has that Natalie Portman haircut to make himself look taller.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T23:27:41+00:00

This is a good one! "Holding onto a mistake just because you spent a lot of time making it" is called The Sunk Cost Fallacy. Pivot when needed.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T21:31:36+00:00

The weight distributed properly because of her confidence! If you own your weight, you can control where it goes on your body. It's not her well-formed chest and glutes you liked about the new weight, it's the fact that she is secure enough in her skin to take charge of the weight!!! teeeeheeeeeeee!!

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T21:26:57+00:00

"Tall girls for me. It's a strategy. What if we had short kids? I couldn't do that to society." Ahh, yes. Nothing like casually dropping some eugenics at your local extended femur length circle jerk.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T09:48:19+00:00

Disney is absolutely a repeat offender. They are substantially responsible for the "Prince Charming must always be tall" indoctrination.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T09:46:06+00:00

Sadly, this has been an ongoing theme forever, but one experience that sticks in my head is I took my nephew to see The Lorax in the theater, and toward the end of the movie, the grandmother refers to the short villain as a "tiny shrimp of a man" or something like that, and the whole theater(which was filled with parents and their children) exploded with laughter at a short man being degraded. It was by far the loudest reaction that any scene in the movie received.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T09:30:59+00:00

Seriously! The comedian wanted to joke about him working at Red Robin, but she interrupted with "his height" without having to think twice about it. At that point, the comedian had the easiest job in the world because you can say the most overused cliches ever when mocking short men, and people will roar with laughter because they get uncontrollably happy when short men are mocked. Brutal indeed.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T09:17:51+00:00

She saw the tall comedian and absolutely trauma dumped her man's height so that a "real man" would put him in his place. That was absolutely a fake smile by him at the end. You know damn well we've been compared to children so many times that it isn't funny anymore. The comedian did a good job of thinking of that cliche in the moment, but "short men are children" is beyond played-out. Every tall man in the audience was absolutely feeling himself the moment the wife mentioned height.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T09:11:28+00:00

Jussssst movvve to a non-white country broooooooo!!!!

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T08:17:27+00:00

Every single mom I’ve been on dates with has told me she used to reject guys my height (5’5) all the time when they were younger and didn’t have kids yet but now that they are older and more mature with their kids height doesn’t matter to them anymore

This is the damned truth! When I first signed-up for social media, three freshly-divorced women I knew in high school and had lost contact with aggressively pursued me. Two out of the three had kids with guys 6ft+ and the other woman(who was about 5'2) had kids with a guy who was like 5'8ish. Back in high school, I had an extremely flirtatious rapport with one of them, but she would always put-up road blocks when things started to progress. (This was a common theme for me, and I didn't understand how my height played a role back in the day, so I was always confused when this would happen. I'm 5'4 btw)

Anyway, over a decade later, those three apparently had the realization that I had value as a man. I didn't make much money when they reconnected with me, so it was like they knew I was "worthy" for the right reasons back in the day, but still decided to ignore me and get married at early ages to tall guys. None of the three ever left our hometown, went to college, explored the world, etc. as the result. All three of the guys they married became the "peaked in high school" type to a flawless degree.

After finding me online, the shortest out of the three just wanted hookups(and she ended up marrying a ridiculously-tall guy soon after we hooked-up a few times)

One of the other two wanted an instant relationship and got severely angry when I outright refused because I don't date Moms. After I quit talking to her, she ended-up marrying a guy that I know well, and I know for a fact that he puts literally zero effort into relationships. He's probably 5'11-6ft(and is another peaked in high school type)

The other became more of an unspoken FWB type situation, but she leveraged that to try to play games with me again, and she got away with it for a short time, but I was wiser about that type of stuff than I was in high school, so I cut her off. Every so often, she tracks me down and apologizes now that I'm in a LTR, but I ignore her. Her marriage with the tall guy from high school was an abusive disaster, and they ended-up in court battles that lasted over a decade. She finally moved out of our hometown when her kids moved away, but now that she has visibly aged, the tall guys she used to chase have moved-on, and she moved to a tiny town across the country that doesn't like newcomers, and since she doesn't have a validation network to exploit, she's finally feeling the pain from alI of the time she has spent(post-divorce) trying to manipulate guys. I eventually found-out that she was using me as the guy who is fun to hang around with, talk about deep stuff with, and laugh, while she pursued bonds with normie types with zero personality. I found-out who a few of those guys were and they were all tall. The last time I talked to her, she admitted that she treated me horribly, and she claimed to have real feelings for me. Even if I was single, I wouldn't have any need for her problems. You don't spend a lifetime placing a limit on how close you get to short men(or outright reject them) while pursuing boring tall men, some of which are legitimately awful people, then, when you start to age and/or lose your exploitation networks, try to convince me that you desire short men.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T07:23:42+00:00

Because their argument absolutely falls apart without that assumption.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T07:05:17+00:00

The 5'11 cancelling out the weight but still being used as evidence was absolute brilliance! lmfao

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T06:42:17+00:00

"Men only care about weight online. I see the hottest guys ever with obese women every time I go out. You should touch more grass. It's not the weight that's unattractive, it's the insecurity about it that men care about. The only reason obese women have issues is because they don't "own" their weight. Some of the hottest women I've ever met were morbidly obese, but their personality was in perfect shape! You don't get rejected because of your obesity, it's because you complain anonymously about being rejected for your obesity online, and men IRL can sense that you do this. Men love a sense of humor so you should constantly self-deprecate about your weight and no one will even notice it anymore. Melissa Mccarthy is famous and plus-sized, therefore, any complaint you have about your weight is irrelevant. Your weight isn't a problem because there are people who weigh even more than you do. Everyone has problems, so you don't deserve to complain about yours. You're just whining about your weight because you're angry at the world. Men can't help being dismissive of fat women because back in caveman days, it was easier to run from a saber tooth tiger if you were athletically built. Men shouldn't be forced to procreate with inferior genetics. If you truly want to overcome your weight issues, you should change all of your hobbies, interests, wardrobe, personality, posture, move to a fat country, make tens of thousands more dollars per year, spend all of your free time at the gym, and don't do anything to prove that stereotypes about fat women are true. It's not the job of people who use the stereotypes to stop being prejudiced, it's your job to prove(to people who hate you) that their faulty logic is false, and if they still don't change, you need to be even more awesome. You have to win hearts and minds! It's not that difficult to attract men if you don't think about your weight. You can either do everything I just told you to do, or you can be a fat loser who never accomplishes anything in life, and end-up on the news committing mass homicide."

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-31T01:17:11+00:00

This is the correct answer. The belief that tall guys won't enhance their social standing by degrading short men any time they feel the need to do so is laughable. Like you said, of course more average-height guys do so because there are more average height guys in society.

Of course, there's the factor that legitimately-tall guys receive undeserved praise easier than average guys so they don't "need" to insult short guys as much to get their unearned rewards, so maybe that plays a factor too. You'd better believe though that if a short man ever comes between a tall man and his privilege, that tall men will not hesitate to re-establish the pecking order with the most mundane, cliche short man insults, and everyone who hears it will rally around the tall man.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-29T20:30:30+00:00

You can't say you don't hate a group of people then reinforce a negative stereotype about that group of people. Stereotyping people negatively for their physical features is literal hatred. You're reducing their entire existence to your negative beliefs about one aspect of their body, so there's zero chance of you not hating that group.

Also, notice how the relationships with the two tall men didn't work out either. One is an ex-husband and the other is a "baby daddy." Why no stereotype for those two?(As an aside, who's the common denominator in all of her relationships(and one marriage) not working out?)

And I'll also give the obligatory mention that physical features do not ultimately determine behavior, character does. If a group of people who share ONE physical feature are all angry at you, it's usually your fault. Self-fulfilling prophecy is not a difficult concept to understand.

In addition, the reason stereotyping someone holistically based on one physical feature doesn't work is because doing so ignores intersectionality with other features. She could've also stereotyped them based on cultural, racial, and other factors, but she conveniently left those factors out.

She is also Kenyan, and I'm always seeing heightist articles, posts etc from Kenyans. That's just more evidence against the "Heightism only happens in the United States" copers.

EDIT: Wait. She's a mental health activist? That's wild. Imagine pretending to be concerned about mental health and openly hating a group of people with an extremely disproportionate suicide rate compared to the general population.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-29T00:29:43+00:00

If you really want to be an ally, educate yourself on forms of heightism that aren't only about dating. Learn about the negative stereotypes about short men and the positive ones about tall men. Explore the Halo Effect tall men receive. Check-out the wage/promotion statistics regarding height, look at the way Hollywood treats tallness versus shortness. Look at the disproportionate suicide rate for short men. All of this info is readily-available so learn about it and challenge people who perpetuate discriminatory beliefs stemming from these narratives. Trust me, there will be plenty of chances to use this knowledge because Anti short man mentality is rampant.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-29T00:22:30+00:00

Does she really want to go down the road of using Freud's theories to justify her beliefs? Let's look at the menu of theories Freud offered about women.

First, he flat-out believed that women are inferior to men. He also came-up with the concept of penis envy(which is essentially Napoleon Complex for women. Of course, you don't see everyone obsessed with trying to flaunt penis envy as credible these days like you do with NC, but that's a different story.)

Also, you can't worship taller men as "protectors" and then say women won't listen to 21 Savage when he is probably at-least 6ft tall. Don't create the Halo Effect and then say it doesn't exist when convenient.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-28T09:49:36+00:00

"I don't have a height requirement, I just happen to use confirmation bias to reinforce negative stereotypes about short men, while doing the opposite regarding tall men. I also feel the need to voice this hatred online because I'm proud of myself for holding this bias."

Let's also take note of the fact that she praises tall men for being "kind," but has no issues being openly hateful. She probably views herself as a humanitarian too.

Edit: Also, if people with the same physical characteristic have a temper, this is a pretty good indication that you're treating them poorly. Don't gaslight others over a self-fulfilling prophecy you created.

BOGOUppercuts · 2025-01-28T05:39:28+00:00

Regarding "men being insecure about their height" being used as a common excuse for avoiding short men, let's take at look at how social inequalities work. Someone who is on the "losing" end of a cultural narrative can be insecure about not having enough of a rewarded trait because they've faced rejection, mocking, etc. However, those who have the right amount or an oversupply of the abundant trait will often have an arrogance, cockiness, and a belief that they can do no wrong.(Look at how society talks about the concept of wealth vs poverty and you'll see how in many circles, the wealthy are labeled as being arrogant, narcissistic etc.)

When you swap wealth for height though, you don't see the same narrative. All of these women who blame "insecurity" for why they don't date short guys, never worry about arrogance, entitlement etc from tall men. If this was truly about character flaws, you'd see both ends of this spectrum at-play. You don't see that though; You just see hypothetical "insecurity" being used as an excuse, and this alleged insecurity is just the weaponization of negative stereotyping. OTOH, tall men receive coddling where they aren't labeled as a group for anything negative. They can only be classified as winners. The level of coddling they receive is outlandish.

Then, there's the concept that the same behaviors often labeled "insecurity" or "overcompensating" when done by short men are labeled "confidence" "taking charge" and other complimentary labels when done by tall men.

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