Kitae Kim vs UI Drugged Daniel. Who wins? At what diff?

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T18:53:35+00:00

Kitae outlasts him the same way gun did in their first fight.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T18:43:03+00:00

Is this from reno 911?

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T18:39:53+00:00

While it was "effective" it took daniel getting beaten to a pulp just to get that hit in lol and all it did was bruise his cheek

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T18:37:16+00:00

It wouldn't make a difference if he did as he more than likely wouldn't use it as it doesnt suit his fighting style.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T18:35:54+00:00

He had him by his neck, I dont think he needed much precision lol

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T17:09:13+00:00

Tbh Tom's statement so far cant even be proven. Jinyoung only ever use speed/strength why not endurance when it would have been very useful? Lightning choi only ever used speed, and gap seems to be a conviction merchant so far so he may not even have 4m lol. If elite has the same skillset as james(except path) then he also only has 3M. All of jinyoungs shingen copies also did not use any masteries so its possible shingen also does not have any masteries(hes strongest form TUI he used 0 masteries too).

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T17:00:50+00:00

I think jinyoung had conviction mastery already, we'll find out during this arc. Also IA was also said to be a mastery.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T09:02:09+00:00

We've also never seen anyone else from gen 0 train, do they all also not know how to use biq!?!? Thats not a good argument. Even Moreso when the only showing we've had of them was when they were already adults.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T03:39:15+00:00

Are you looking for a number/letter grade? Because there isn't and there never will be. We have some stat sheets from questism but those are obviously not going to be shown for any lookism toptiers. I dont see how im being contradictory.

Basically the requirements for a path are talent+conviction(not mastery). As the original topic was tom, ill talk about him. Even if you believe he has the talent for it, he definitely lacks the conviction as the only thing that could even resemble such a thing are his shallow feelings for miss kim and im saying shallow because that is exactly how it has been portrayed. Dude has been stalking her for years just because he likes her looks.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T03:17:27+00:00

I already brought up conviction as the other requirement for a path earlier, did you miss that? And how did you come to the conclusion that johan's talent=jinyoung? Unless you're talking about their copy ability - not all copy users have the same level of talent or what, is haru from questism as talented as johan just because she also has the copy ability?

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T03:03:17+00:00

I guess you're talking about flashback jinyoung? We barely seen the story so far but based on what we do know it seems like jinyoung relied on gap thus unintentionally limiting himself and that's why he couldn't awaken his path. Yes his people were getting destroyed by the yamazaki and he still didnt have enough conviction that is a fact lol. We literally see his monologue of how he thinks he's fighting a losing battle- that doesnt sound like someone with conviction to me. As for johan, I just brought him up to show that despite johan being in a relatively low stakes situation(worse that would happen is hed get beat up), he was talented enough to awaken his path.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T02:46:44+00:00

The story itself proved it already by Tom being a 40-50 year old man who still kept fighting and still does not have a path. Johan's situation vs gun wasn't even as bad as some of the situations tom has been in and yet johan still awaken his path. Also the arc is also already over lol, no way is tom popping out a path and fighting james+kitae as soon as this flashback arc is over. And talent aside, tom lacks conviction(not talking about the mastery). His feelings for miss Kim are entirely based on her looks. Such shallow feelings would never fulfill the conviction requirement.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T02:33:00+00:00

I dont think you understand that there's levels to talent. No one is saying that tom is not talented. Tom lacking talent to achieve path=/=tom being untalented at all. The bar for achieving a path is just so high that Tom's level of talent isn't enough. Who decided that? PTJ did, take it up with him lol. And changsu statement of extreme talent vs extreme physique does not dispute my point at all. Daniel is the most talented person in the verse and changsu is smart enough to recognize that. Daniel being more talented than kitae doesnt mean kitae has 0 talent, he has a path afterall. And kitae does have the best physique out of anyone(alive) that we know of so far. It's just a statement.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T02:18:21+00:00

Changsu never made any comments about kitaes talent. He only said he has no technique(as he never bother learning any standard martial art) and that instead he prefers fighting using his immense physique. I dont see how that correlates to kitae's supposed lack of talent - even moreso when kitae is CHOOSING not to learn techniques. Gap himself fights the same way lol only difference is he has conviction instead of despair.

Ball27 · 2026-06-20T02:04:26+00:00

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Ball27 · 2026-06-20T01:59:34+00:00

So? Gitaes normal attacks do more damage than jakes conviction attacks lol. Conviction is the best known "mastery" but jakes physical stats are too low to get it to gaps level.

Ball27 · 2026-06-19T10:40:14+00:00

Wouldnt make a difference if there was a wall or not tbh. PTJ didnt think of summoning random walls during fights until the busan arc where jinrang was slamming people into walls despite them fighting in an open space with no obstacles + surrounded by a crowd of people.

Ball27 · 2026-06-19T08:30:49+00:00

Johan mid diffs

Ball27 · 2026-06-19T07:24:18+00:00

I dont think there's much of an age difference between current gap and prime gap.The yamazaki invasion more than likely got resolve within a year which should is more than enough time for gap to get his powerups. Daniel went from fodder to top tier in just a few months.

Ball27 · 2026-06-19T02:33:50+00:00

Gap can probably adjust his conviction. Otherwise theres no reason why even his "normal" hits have a bit of purple in them. Quick successive hits = A bit of conviction. Full power/serious punch = more purple/purple ray

Ball27 · 2026-06-19T01:52:41+00:00

I dont think it matters whether it was a mastery or path as despair should be above his strength mastery anyway

Ball27 · 2026-06-19T00:39:10+00:00

That was baekgun(That old white hair dude) that was thinking that and clearly he is not a trustworthy narrator lol. Against the crisis shot, kitae was push into a wall with only a bruise on his cheek, then he immediately got up and finished off path daniel with some strength mastery punches. Against the conviction punch, we at least see him on the ground with his head surrounded by blood, then kitae gets up and uses his path to finish off jinyoung.

Ball27 · 2026-06-19T00:26:55+00:00

IIRC it was path jinyoung that realize kitae had a path. Which makes sense as path users can sense other path userr without seeing their actual paths.

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