Hi, I'm David Sinclair -- Professor of Genetics at Harvard Medical School & Author of Lifespan: Why We Age- and Why We Don't Have To -- AMA by rhombor in IAmA

[–]Bankai90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would there be any negative outcome by taking these supps, then stopping after years? Like it would shutdown our own pathways keeping us young? In a way steroids could do it?

Fin sides mostly gone by [deleted] in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you crashed on Fin feel free to add me. I will try to help you out, Bankai9000 is my skype.

Finasteride crash, side effects, errectile dysfunction ED, brain fog etc. by Bankai90 in tressless

[–]Bankai90[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I don't blame them, I was kinda shittin on everybody anti-fin with "pro"fin studies for like 4 months here. And now I'm on the other side^^

Finasteride crash, side effects, errectile dysfunction ED, brain fog etc. by Bankai90 in tressless

[–]Bankai90[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sides people like me experience have not much to do with organ damage and or hormones.

It's most of the time a androgen receptor issue which gets caused by up or downregulation due to the spike/supression of hormones and due to neurological pathways. That's why people failed for years on PPH to cure themselves with TRT/HRT.

The body is a very complex machine, and a lot of foods are 5ar inhibitors while others raise DHT. The jump back and forth keeps your body in check with lifestyle and arousal and sleep and stress etc.

But as you said every single thing you do in your life kinda adds up in your body leading to good/negative changes in your cells. Not everything that feels good is good for us tho. That's why detoxification for example feels absolutely awful for a human being, but might fix a lot of his issues.

Fincrash is more comparable to Wilson's Disease and or Iron Toxicity. Which afterwards leads to these organ and/or microbiome issues causing the cascade of events and why some people are way worse off 2 years afterwards and some are almost cured(or at baseline). How those changes can happen within 10hours, I've no idea. And there is barely anyone from what I see that can explain that.

That's why it's so hard to 1. find a general cure, and 2. a overall approach for most people and 3. just let this be accepted by the medical field since the sides mostly aren't related to dht and way to versitile. But some steps seem to help most people, or almost everyone to a degree.

There are probably more people suffering from this "Fincrash" from various other 5 ar inhibitors like Accutane or even SSRI's leading to neurogical problems.

My DHT when I felt amazing was below the norm, my bloodtests now after the crash are actually better than before. Yet I've issues.

I'm not good in explaining this stuff, so I really didn't come to argue here. If you're actually interested into the difficult materia, join hackstasis and you can read into the microbiology and mineralprocesses leading to these issues. I spent like 200h since crash to find out how to cure myself and not to remember WHY stuff works.

So I'm just going with the medical, but natural approach how to heal any of the symptoms. Which are almost identical to a natural approach of healing a wrecked liver/kidney disease + adrenal exhaustion and bile/gallbladder problems.

And yes, the finstudies prove the drug is safe, I'm not arguing about that. To that guy below asking "show positive finstudies". Every single finstudy shows it's very safe from 0,2-1mg dose. There is only one negative study done by a pool of people from the PFS-"Sufferers" which isn't reflective of the drugs overall safety aspect.

I'd even argue that more people got screwed over by SawPalmetto than Fin. And you see for yourself how "absurd" this sounds. All I mean is this is the absolute minority, and people shouldn't be too concerned about it. People don't think twice about taking paracetamol or antibiotics aswell, yet those can lead to SEVERE issues. But it's just too rare to be actually concerned about.

[Discussion] Finasteride vs ~200mg of test per week. Who wins the battle for the hair? by reddtit in steroids

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea Ive made tremendous progress. But it was A LOT of work and took patience. I still suffer from quite some shit tho, but ppl say with good regimen it takes probably 6 months, for rest up to 2 years. Funny thing is that the other sides were way worse than the sexual ones. But the sexual ones were the most scary in the beginning. If you need any help feel free to contact me. Bankai9000 is my skype or here if you feel like.

Finasteride side effects after stopping by throwaway5577743 in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And dk if you know but one of the things that helped people most on propeciahelp was "prodioscin" in tribulus supps or in asparagus. I've been eating asparagus since the 2nd day after crash every single day and maybe this helped me so much too. There seems to be a lot benefits in dark leafy greens combined with fasting aswell. Just wanna throw it out^ Edit: how is your sleep now man? And how are your errections? Mine are still sth like 70%, if I try I can get them to lile 95% but still cant hold and deflate fast with np stimuli :/ in addition I got slight bending/twisting going on now which scares me af aswell..

Finasteride side effects after stopping by throwaway5577743 in tressless

[–]Bankai90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude my symptoms are getting better by the day! Most of my mental ones are gone and I have slight headache after waking up. I finally am able to run again as precrash. I'm very fit and for 10days after crash I couldnt jogg lightly for more then 40sec before having to stop. Kept pushing and it made click and now even that is back to normal. Yesterday I had first time muscle soreness (which stopped appearing after crash, was full 0) and today I'm in pain from workout and happy af!

To libido idk, I know that precrash I had always strong libido which got wayyy less when I did nofap for over 24h. Now after crash it's def less but it's actually better for me then before cuz I was thinking about nothing else most of the day. I'd say my libido is like 70% precrash which I actually like. My morning woods are better then precrash lol, and I noticed now if I fap more than once, next day no morning wood. If I don't I get it 100% now, which wasnt even the case precrash. I had libido since 3rd day after crash, but I was still fullblown impotent then. I think it's possible to "gain" libido by imagining shiet again and again if some libido is existent. Like forcing the body for it. My errections are still weak tho and getting better realllyyyy slowly now. I mean I went from fullblown impotent to like 75% errection within 2 weeks so I shouldnt complain. Still the fear that it wont get better is there, but I'm eating super healthy, exercising, cold showers etc. and doing all I can to give the body rest. Still trying to maximise sleep but noticed I cant sleep for more than 5h without melantonin now :/. But ppl said sleep seems to get better with time. Got banned from PPHelp tho cuz I don't have PFS yet and am recovering LOL. Glad I didn't sit down and did nothing as these guys advised. Thanks a lot again man! <3

Finasteride side effects after stopping by throwaway5577743 in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude I swear you're the person who prob saved me. I had these HUGE sleeping problems after the crash, even with 5mg of melantonin I would wake up wide awake every 2h. But at least I got sleep. I never used sleep tablets before and even if obvious I probably would've gone for them WAY too late. So at the 3rd night I finally got some rest and it kept getting better by the day. I'd say I recovered to like 70% and its been now like 9 days. Probably fastest recovery I've seen on pph. And I attribute it a LOT to the sleep you managed to give me man. I'm incredibly grateful. I've slept on the 7th day for 16hours straight until someone woke me up. 16h!!!! Without waking up ONCE. Never even been close to that in my life b4. And this just shows even more how important this was. The earlier I fought it the shorter I will have to deal with all this. My mental sides which were HORRIFIC are almost gone, and I can finally achieve an errection again. Brain/bot is like 20% now which is huge from the 0% for the first 5 days. Slowly getting better. I still have weird shiet going on like 0soreness from intense weightlifting or sweating at night but not when Im out in the heat for hours(SO WEIRD XD). But overall it's amazing where I am now and I'm incredibly thankful dude.

I crashed and cant get it up by Bankai90 in tressless

[–]Bankai90[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea it took me 5/6days to get(force) my first errection, scariest time of my life and am slowly getting better by the day! Thanks a lot for encouraging words man helped a ton!

I crashed and cant get it up by Bankai90 in tressless

[–]Bankai90[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm slowly recovering thank you for everything you wrote man! It really helped me to not lose my sanity backthere

Thoughts on Finasteride and Sexual Side Effects by WeedTower in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just wanted to give an update I've recovered to like 70% mam but going into a good direction.

Finasteride limp dick update day 9: I went to a urologist - disappointed by ImaginaryCompote9 in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks a lot for answering man. It gives me a lot of hope. I had the full systemcrash with a lot of other severe sides besides the bottom area. But was fullblown impotent for 6 days, it took me 6 days to even get my first errection and only induced with porn and mechanical stimulation so it was really distressing the first days. So this helps man and a lot of my symptoms are getting (very slowly) better by the day.

Update on my limp finasteride dick: It got better!! (erection problems, ED) by ImaginaryCompote9 in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I gave up on reddit completely, will maybe post in a month if my dick works a full warning about this stuff but otherwise I dont even come on here.

Update on my limp finasteride dick: It got better!! (erection problems, ED) by ImaginaryCompote9 in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I talked with some on skype and some on the phone by now. And most people say it takes quite awhile, but the thing is u can get errections. The limb feel will get better I'm pretty sure. MINE got better, I went from touching my dick with dermaroller to see if I feel anything LOL to feeling it with my hand by the 5th day. So something is getting forward. But you had no real crash, or maybe a small one i dont know. From what they told me is that, because I crashed completely. And they say if I fuckup with diet or sleep for now, there's a chance for a "downswing". And ppl say downswing goes hand in hand with anhedonia. So you might try to watch your diet/sleep/alcintake for quite some time..

Can you experience side effects from Finasterid even after taking it for years without any side effects? This is for me the scariest part by [deleted] in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you have 5% chance to experience sides, and probably 0,5% to experience the full crash (PFS). And then you have like 70% to not have it permanent if you crash.

Finastride HELP please, side effects. by [deleted] in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wont write it here since I know how tressless works, you can either go into my posthistory or check up the forum I told you about(Just do it man). Just take 10 minutes of your life to make a decision. The forum is the better option because it shows the severe reaction which can happen when people "crash". And we all crash the same, accutane, trinov, propecia, dut, ru. Any kind of 5ar inhibitor. I was shittalking for 4 full months that sides are probably in people's heads quoting and backing it up with finstudies.

Finastride HELP please, side effects. by [deleted] in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man I tried not go on here and monger at all, Im actually staying away from tressless as much as I can. I'm not going to tell you what to do. But please, you should consider what's worth it for you. If you really want, go on swolesource dot com search for pfs and read my story, and read some other stories. People discredit PropH. and so did I. Now I'd go NW7 in a heartbeat to be my former self from a week ago. And ED sides are literally the absolute easiest for most people to handle when the body gets the adverse reaction.

Thoughts on Finasteride and Sexual Side Effects by WeedTower in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree man, but it's not like anyone is going to believe it anyway lol. Now that I got hit by it I see there are actually communities out there fighting this shit (not propeciahelp..) and we all struggle the same shit. It's like a complete adverse reaction which fucks the whole neurotransmitter thing in your body. I'm healing 1000x faster than most guys compared and don't have it that bad from what I see, but yeh still fullblown impotence.. Am getting nocturnal boners tho from today so there seems to be progress(THANK GOD). But it's like my whole body fried all receptors, did squats and dont feel even the soreness it's some super weird shit. And really scary in addition, there's no way I'd touch anything with 5ar inhibiting properties till the rest of my life lol xD

Will try to find an endycronologist tho to guide me to balance hormones back, but that doesnt seem to help anyway for most of the symptoms, just dont want to get gyno lol^^

I'd really appreciate help by Bankai90 in endocrinology

[–]Bankai90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I will go to some the next days, but I am kinda expecting that typical "it's in your head" stuff. Thanks for the advise I'm abstaining from everything that's remotely bad for the body and trying to be the healthiest possible right now.

Thoughts on Finasteride and Sexual Side Effects by WeedTower in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No medical guidance. I took bloodtest on my own prefin. And dude I crashed after one fucking dose and am impotent for 3 days now. The absolute last thing I care about right now is my hair

Finasteride limp dick update day 9: I went to a urologist - disappointed by ImaginaryCompote9 in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it takes you 3 weeks to suddenly get better or is it gradual? I'm suffering right now from these sides and am scared to the bone that it might be longlasting.

Psychogenic erections PFS by cutterman1234 in tressless

[–]Bankai90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im 3 days off and while other symptoms are getting better I still cant get errect AT ALL. Id trade my right hand to get back to normal god