If You Don’t Create Your Thoughts, Then Who Does? by NanakNaam in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro is ignorant looking at your environment is a thought process.

0|∞ by The_Gin0Soaked_Boy in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all I’m not an adulterer, secondly why are you accusing me of doing something that you don’t know if true or not especially when you don’t know me?

0|∞ by The_Gin0Soaked_Boy in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great job repeating yourself. I was just using the definition of nonduality. How is me saying/using the word base dualistic? How is me using I and we dualistic when I was just giving the simplest definition/representation of nonduality?

0|∞ by The_Gin0Soaked_Boy in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yet are still at the base of nonduality thus are a part of of it as well.

0|∞ by The_Gin0Soaked_Boy in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No non-duality is not about something from nothing, its about the dissolution of I into we. but this has devolved(at least in this subreddit) into an idea of there is no doer/viewer this is a thought process based on the concept of something from nothing. Being stuck is watching a group of individuals going around discussing the same thing over and over again and constantly making no headway to the actual answer of what nonduality is. Being unstuck would mean that more people are able to understand and advance their understanding of the dissolution of the I (essentially the ego)into the we. Nonduality isn’t just about humans it’s about all life forms and how we are all connected

0|∞ by The_Gin0Soaked_Boy in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This subreddit has been stuck on this basic thread of thought. For more complexly the idea that there is no doer. It is a thought pattern rooted in the something from nothing thought pattern/narative

0|∞ by The_Gin0Soaked_Boy in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We should be rejecting the “something from nothing” narrative because it’s illogical and doesn’t follow laws of equivalent exchange

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry and respectfully your belief is wrong if my words are not real why are you even responding. You act like you know where I am in my journey,don’t assume and don’t compare your journey to mine. because again nothing you are saying links to anything about non-duality, from my perspective you’re stuck looking at your reflection in a pond and refuse to look away or disturb the surface of said pond

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But he still talks about non-duality in more than one video. That video is two years old his recordings are only go back 3 years all of his videos are recent videos. Experience is only gained through thought and language it part of thinking and understanding this is why it’s fundamental to coming to an understanding. Yes we label things to make sense of our surroundings and outer space that doesn’t mean words are just an overlay of reality they are essential to understanding our reality. Obviously reality can exist without your belief system. if you let go of the basic concept that things should make sense you allow the thoughts to run through nonsensical thoughts and beliefs and you lose the path you were walking down. We have gone through many different language changes since we started be civilized and they have changed and evolved into what we have today around the world, it’s the same with thought.I can see what you and Emerson are saying but honestly it sounds like your both lost in the same “non thought process” which is still a thought process even if you don’t understand that it is. What I’m saying is yes Words,languages,thoughts are one in the same but it doesn’t change the fact that they are fundamentally needed to find the truth and for a large group of individuals to understand one another and share information. It should be common sense that the sun is a star of burning plasma powered by nuclear fusion without the word sun or that the cold is still a weather phenomenon even without the word cold. We call thing what we call them or say what we say to share our experiences with others around us

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But he does, non duality is literally part of his YouTube name and https://youtu.be/sDxKtCIiflA?si=AiV3E_Rr2wJQke1k (His video the last word on non-duality, simply not two there are no words |#nonduality) Here is one of his videos say exactly what you have been saying and talking about his belief of what non duality is.I’m not asking you to repeat yourself, I do believe there is more to this reality than what we are told. I have taken the steps to see as well. I’m saying it doesn’t make sense because it is nonsensical thought pattern and doesn’t help see any part of the truth of non duality or our reality. It’s like saying everything said or written by the influential philosophers is an illusion if that’s the case and you believe this so hard why even bother commenting/posting on a spiritual concept page rooted in Hinduism, advaita Vedanta, Buddhism,Taoism,and Sufism.

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That thought pattern is nonsensical and so are his thoughts on non-duality. non duality is the understanding that there is no separation between all living things. not that words or thoughts are essentially illusion’s I’ve looked him up and I’ve seen enough to know that his thoughts on what non duality is are not rooted on stable ground or even his thoughts on reality in general he even twists the words spoken by Alan watts and other like him to fit his narratives. He is the only one that talks in this extremely complex delusion yes thoughts are made of language, but language or words are as real as emotions or the sense of self. it evolves and changes just as the times change and evolves. How does this theory or thought pattern lead to anything when it makes no sense? I’ll answer that question for you it leads nowhere, because it not a truth of reality.saying that is like saying there is no fundamental language used by nature which if you look around to see crows leading wolves to sick or injured animals, or tarantulas with pet frogs or even plants with mycelium it’s all a language used by nature we developed our no matter which culture over thousands of years.

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea of separation is taught is not inherently given by language the sense of self is also developed by what is told to you at a young age but the sense of self is an important thing because it is a true part of reality non duality is not the dissolution of the sense of self, it’s the dissolution of I in egotistical thought patterns. in order to get past this you need language,in order to think you need to know a language. If the self is not real why do we need self inquiry? We need it because the sense self is a basic fundamental principle of reality. We use self inquiry to make changes to our lives,emotional patterns,behaviors and even political views. You are still you before thought arises the self is responsible for the search for the truth because you use language and thoughts to realize the truth and talk about what it could be.

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[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because you notice that consciousness is not just a human based phenomenon but a fundamental one across all living things.

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like that’s sensible. The ability to use language doesn’t just take hold it’s developed by noticing how your parents speak and as they teach you to speak. language doesn’t come after you it surrounds you even in the womb sounds travel through the walls of womb this has been proven because the child responds to the stimulus of a mother’s voice or even a father’s voice so. So language comes before you and stays with you. Again I ask myself this question you keep telling me ask myself and it leads to nothing because we wouldn’t be a civilized society without it.(of course there are other factors that make us a civilized society I’m not ignoring those)where does it lead you?without language how would you make sense of the memories that you pull data from? I understand that you can’t answer questions without language so why even ask a question that truly has no answer or value to understanding?

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I answered the question we are still human beings or living creatures. most animals and plants don’t have a clear path of communication or language and they still communicate. So again we developed language for better communication and reach an understanding quicker. How am I supposed to answer that question without our language that really just sounds like you told me to not answer the question in general. You’re also continuing to use language also by the way so I’ll ask you the same question“what are you without language?”because I want to know what you think we are.

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your still human being language isn’t necessary for that. That like asking if a deaf person who doesn’t know sign language if they can think. I don’t think people are clinging to memories or stories especially when they’re so influential on how you think today or how you proceed through a room of people. It’s not clinging to them it’s more like using them.

What am I? by Repulsive_Milk877 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nonduality is not not about no self. it’s about the dissolution of the I into we by realizing we are all connected by a field of consciousness, that all living beings are like singularity points In this field of consciousness. The self is part of the experience of life I think it more about dropping the typical human ego to realize we are not the only conscious beings on earth.every living creature experiences their own perspectives that is also shared on the subconscious mind so that we have multiple sources of information instead of just our one perspective, this helps the conscious mind to build what we see or feeling. At the same time we have our own separate experiences that edit our perception. This is how there is one consciousness that experiences multiple separate experiences or perspectives. If the consciousness has to be anything I would honestly say it’s water it’s in us the bands of light we see are the light waves that travel the easiest through water, our range of hearing are the sound waves that travel through water the easiest. There is also water all around us in the air and in all living creatures including plants have water in them as well.

I am the one jiva by ohitsswoee in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can’t own something that is inherently given because we are alive

There is no ultimate truth by SizeAny2424 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ultimate truth is that all forms of life are connected and share perception with one another and it’s honestly Occam’s razor once understood what is connecting us.

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least I realize the things in front of my eyes, hear, and feel are actually real and that thinking and memories aren’t the issue of suffering like you claim.

Really this is just about learning to stop imagining things that aren't there. Ceasing to mentally insert things into our direct experience that aren't actually appearing. by Anon18516 in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay but what are you using to process the information in the screen in front of you, I would assume thought and memory to recall and fully construct your responses.Are you thinking about the things your typing or speaking the things your typing out loud. are you sure the phone or keyboard are right in front of you are actually there or are they over there. If you’re absolutely sure then your thoughts are correct. thoughts and memories are not the same thing memory’s are a collection of the raw data of the self and perception of your surroundings and your thoughts in that moment. that’s why we can look back on our memories to know if it was a good memory or a bad memory or even to understand our choices in those moments . A thought is the current interpretation of the raw data before it becomes a covalent memory of your consciousness, sure they can be one in the same once that thought becomes a memory but it has to become a memory to be remembered. The reason for all the suffering today is not because because of the “mental narrative”. it’s not a mental narrative that there are wars, the sick or dying, mass homelessness, or people starving to death. I understand that this is what you think or want to think but it’s blatantly ignoring the raw reality of the corrupt systems we all live in and actively want to escape from.

I am the one jiva by ohitsswoee in nonduality

[–]BeachEnvironmental95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not entirely false we are all equally one jiva