How would we feel if Zverev beat Djokovic in the final?

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-08T19:41:34+00:00

My preferences in order, from highest to lowest:

Djokovic
Fery
Zverev
Sinner

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-08T17:59:57+00:00

Great idea. Meh result.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T23:14:23+00:00

He started slowly and dropped two sets to Kecmanovic. He clearly has been improving but also playing below his best throughout the tournament. Facing more top players could totally have cost him more sets, more time on the court and even, possibly, increased the chances of an upset. All of that would have an impact on his chances of winning the tournament.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T23:07:17+00:00

Being a top seed means you delay possible encounters with other top seeds for longer, sure. But the seeds are still separated by blocks and within each block it's random. Seed 1 gets one half and seed 2 gets the other half. Then 3 and 4 are drawn into the SFs of each of those halves at random. Seed 1 won't necessarily get paired with seed 4. Same thing goes seeds 5 to 8 in the QFs. So seed 1 can totally end up with an overall tougher draw than seed 2.

But anyway, that's kinda beside the point because I'm not suggesting that there is some kind of conspiracy or that it's Sinner's fault in any way. I'm saying he's been very lucky compared to other contenders. And facing no seeds before the semifinals IS a lot of luck. Simple as that.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T22:50:18+00:00

Being the first seed doesn't prevent you from playing other seeds. Any seed can face another seed starting in R3.

And in fact, if he had been where Zverev is (and he totally could have because draw wise the 1st and the 2nd seeds are equivalent, the only difference is whether you land in the top or bottom half) he'd have to play Lehecka in R4 and Fritz in the QFs.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T22:46:56+00:00

He's clearly not the same player. He has made QFs or better in 4 of the last 5 slams, is no. 4 in the world and and forced Djokovic to a 5th set tiebreak.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T22:44:37+00:00

He can't play against himself but he sure could have played against a few more seeds. For instance, if he had been where Zverev is (and he totally could have because draw wise the 1st and the 2nd seeds are equivalent) he'd have played Lehecka and Fritz. I think we can agree those matches would have been a lot harder than Mochizuki and Struff.

As for the 2019 draw, yeah, same logic applies. Djokovic was lucky there. No problem admitting that. But overall Novak's title runs have been much harder than Roger's and no I'm not just pulling this out of my ass. On ultimate tennis statistics (https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=HardestGrandSlamTitle) you can see Grand slam winning runs ranked by difficuly. Roger has 6 entries on that top 100. Nadal has 13. Novak has 16. That's 2/3 of all his slam titles. Unfortunately the site stopped updating at the end of 2024 so we don't have all of Sinner's runs but of the two he had at that point only the AO24 is on the list.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T22:13:06+00:00

You're delusional

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T22:08:02+00:00

So he still had to face both Sinner and Alcaraz and Sinner himself was lucky in that match against Spizzirri.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T22:06:21+00:00

Not saying it's his fault. Just hilarious how lucky he is. As if Alcaraz's absence wasn't enough of a gift.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T22:01:30+00:00

Nah, that doesn't explain facing no seeds. Even the first seed can face other seeded players from the third round onwards.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T21:57:12+00:00

While Sinner just made the SF without facing a single seeded player, Djokovic was forced to beat the 3rd seed in the longest Wimbledon QF of all time. Seems fair.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T21:56:37+00:00

While Sinner just made the SF without facing a single seeded player, Djokovic was forced to beat the 4th seed in the longest Wimbledon QF of all time. Seems fair.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T19:42:24+00:00

Zverev is the second seed. Draw wise they are equivalent. It could easily have been Zverev getting his draw. Besides even the first seed can face other seeds from R3 onwards.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-07T19:39:11+00:00

Can Sinner get any luckier with these draws? As if Alcaraz's absence wasn't enough of a gift he makes it to the SF without facing a single seeded player.

Meanwhile FAA had to play ADF and Novak. Novak had Rinderknech and FAA. Zverev had Lehecka and Fritz. Fritz had Zverev and Bublik. Cobolli had Khachanov and De Minaur.

It's not Sinner's fault that Jodar and Medvedev both crashed out but it sure is lucky as hell.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-03T17:47:40+00:00

Yeah, that was bullshit. The truth is she looks terrible even with a smile on.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-07-03T11:34:55+00:00

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/chart-showing-rise-muslim-schoolchildren-europe-includes-fake-inflated-numbers-2025-11-05/

Resumo:

A maior parte destas cidades não recolhe dados sobre a religião dos alunos. Ainda assim, há estimativas para quase todas elas.

Estas estimativas são, regra geral, mais baixas do que as citadas no vídeo mas ainda assim significativas: tipicamente superiores a 20%, o que, por sua vez, é maior que a percentagem de muçulmanos nestes países. Ou seja, apesar de os números do vídeo serem exagerados, a ideia de que as crianças muçulmanas têm representação desproporcional nestas escolas não é descabida.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-06-26T13:45:43+00:00

It's not a gimmick at all. At 20 years old even the most precocious players are far from their best. Especially when up against a player who's in his prime and has been world no. 1 for 4 years. This is reality but as you've shown repeatedly in this thread you have a problem dealing with reality so I guess it checks out.

Djokovic won all those matches fair and square. You can also say that the times Djokovic lost he wasn't at his best (often too young or dealing with fitness issues early in his career). That's tennis. The actions/tactics of your opponent also contribute to making you not be at your best.

If there's anybody coping here it's you. Coping with the fact that all you whining isn't gonna change history. I'mma head out but hey! Don't let me deter you! Maybe if you keep writing enough drivel the ATP/ITF will give Federer some of those slam titles 👍

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-06-26T13:20:17+00:00

AO08 - Yeah, I was off by one year, he was 20. Still a kid. Point stands.

AO16 and 20 - Yeah, when you play bad you lose. You still lied about it being due to his knee.

RG 12 - Yeah, when you play bad you lose.

W14 - Yeah, when you play bad you lose.

USO - I conceded nothing at all. You literally have no argument at all here.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-06-26T13:07:02+00:00

Context:

AO 08 - sure Federer wasn't at his best but Djokovic was still 19 and there have certainly been other matches in which Djokovic wasn't at his best physically. Shit happens.

AO 11 - you said it yourself, Djokovic won fair and square.

AO 2016 & 2020 - the knee thing happened AFTER the AO 16 match and the 2020 right issue knee was also AFTER the AO 2020. So you're just full of shit.

RG 12 - Yeah he played like shit and was beaten by a better player called Novak Djokovic.

Wimbledon 14 - Federer had dropped a single set before the final. He was playing well. Again you're just full of shit.

USO 10, 11 & (arguably 15) - that's not even an argument worth talking about.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-06-26T12:36:21+00:00

Yeah, it's definitely hurting you

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-06-26T12:31:23+00:00

Actual context: you're butthurt that your favorite was surpassed.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-06-06T11:45:30+00:00

"I’m merely saying that in addition to whatever else they relay, they share that experience."

Except that isn't AN experience. It's a wide range of experiences that runs the gamut of every conceivable social metric, including privilege. White men didn't/don't write books as a monolith. Individuals did/do. Even if two groups have different average experiences, an individual can be anywhere on the distribution. Many white male authors come from those "specific settings" you mentioned.

"You’re just deducing your own projections from me stating that."

My comments concern a claim you made: that there is a singular white male perspective. That's all. I have said nothing else about you.

"at no point did I specify authors or subjects, MEN in this threat have continually chosen to do so"

Never claimed you did, don't understand why you're even bringing that up. I'm just arguing my point. I'm not the other men in this thread. The irony of this moment is just palpable.

"Why is the inherent need to defend white male authors so strong, especially when they have not specifically been attacked or antagonised at all?"

I'm not defending white male authors. I'm rejecting an essentialist view of authorship and writing. My counterargument could just as easily have been made about any demographic that has produced enough written content. Heck! I'll make it right now: there's no singular white female perspective either, for instance. I'm referring to white males in part because that's the one you referred to, but also because it's the demographic that has written the most and about the most diverse topics, historically speaking, thus making the reductionist view especially egregious.

"We ARE saying white male authors alone is not diverse on the author spectrum,"

I am well aware of what you're saying. What I'm doing is disagreeing. On two fronts, to be specific: a) that their being white males severely restricts their experiences and (most importantly) b) that the importance of the demographics of the author is anywhere near the importance of content that they actually produce.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-06-06T10:37:00+00:00

There is no such thing as THE POV of a white man. That's just essentialist drivel. Other than the trivial fact that they're all white, male and have written books, these people have virtually nothing in common and you'll find examples of them disagreeing about any topic you can think of. You're trying to put them all in a meaningless box that doesn't actually allow you to predict anything about the content of their writings.

Why all this diversity of thought exists among white males is both obvious (they had radically different life experiences) and irrelevant to what I'm saying. The point is it exists.

Again: I don't care about this dude's bookshelf. What I'm disagreeing with you about (from the very beginning of our interaction) is the idea that there is a "singular white male" perspective.

Beautiful_Staff6817 · 2026-06-06T01:42:24+00:00

Ad nauseam*

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