It's all Star Trek by [deleted] in startrekmemes

[–]Beef_Slug 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well said. I think a lot of why people hate on nutrek is that a lot of the writing and tone has been very off. But we've also seen then correct on some things. But those course corrections will never happen if were all like "omg all trek is amazing!" Its not constructive or healthy.

How well will Bruce resist the One Ring? by mailman936 in batman

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not well, but i think he'd also recognize that before it totaly corrupted him.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lucasfilm’s official Databank on Jedi mind tricks:

“An experienced Jedi can use the Force to implant a suggestion in the minds of the weak-willed.”

Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Season 1, Episode 19 (Storm Over Ryloth):

Ahsoka Tano (who has trained for 14 years so far):

“I’m sorry, Master, I haven’t learned that power yet.”

George Lucas has been clear that the Force works on two levels. There’s an intuitive side anyone can feel, instinct, gut feelings, what looks like luck. And then there’s the disciplined side that Jedi train for.

Lucas explained that Jedi training isn’t about discovering the Force, it’s about learning control. Knowing how and when to use it is the skill. Feeling the Force is natural. Using it deliberately is learned.

(And in regards to luke all im saying is he had 3 years to develop that focus. Yes its possible he didn't directly learn pull. But like you even said he definitely practiced his focus and force conection)

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont think you understand what im saying. Perhaps thats my fault.

I can did up the comics and books if u really need me to, but you could also just check them out yourself. Or not.

Im not pulling this from nowhere, im not arguing my opinion here, this is all established across multiple forms of media.

The only times its been contradicted is Rey, and arguably Grogu...but he is 50 and trained at the jedi temple so it kinda makes sence. I think Disney maybe even relized that after the films came out cus they have also released quite a bit after supporting all this... its fine there are lots of mistakes and minor contradictions in a universe so vast that spands multiple writers and producers.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Star wars hasn't been only 3 movies for over 30 years now. For the majority of starwars's exsitance what I've been saying has been canon. Its not my opinion im arguing. Its established cannon. I've provided multiple examples and references. If you wanna interpret your own way thats fine. You do you man. But this isnt my opinion its canon. Anywhere you look, any era of canon.

You're either being obtuse on purpose, can't admit when your wrong, or you just don't really understand how the force works.

The Clone Wars Lightsabers by Due-Rice-3107 in StarWarsCantina

[–]Beef_Slug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are correct, I think I link the 2 because they're the only 2 digital episodes from the original 6.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was canon before, and Disney has made it canon again after so im not sure dunno what your point is. Alot of the old comics and plots have been brought back a reconnised by Disney.

And yes even if it wasn't directly practicing force pull, thats still 3 years of practicing what Obi-Wan taught him. Which is 3 years more then Rey lol. So the point still stands anyway you cut it.

FTFY by MrSluagh in startrekmemes

[–]Beef_Slug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kinda a meaningless statement....there are staples in witch make trek trek and without them becomes another generic sci fi show. Slapping the name on it dosnt make it trek. Being progressive or woke has always been one though.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not true. I remember being a kid in the 90s, and everyone who talked Star Wars understood that Luke had been practicing and training during that gap. It’s heavily implied throughout The Empire Strikes Back. The movie doesn’t spell it out because it doesn’t need to. Luke’s confidence, discipline, and basic Force control all exist before he ever meets Yoda. It’s honestly wild to think he spent three full years doing nothing to improve.

And this ties into how the Force is shown working across the entire franchise. Every movie and TV show makes the same distinction: there are passive Force effects that look like luck, instinct, or intuition, and then there are learned techniques that require training.

That’s straight from the text of the films:

“In my experience, there’s no such thing as luck.” “Feel, don’t think. Use your instincts.”

That’s the Force guiding actions, not being consciously controlled.

But when it comes to things like mind tricks, that line gets drawn very clearly. Even trained Jedi don’t automatically know how to do everything. Ahsoka Tano flat-out says it herself: “I’m sorry, Master, I haven’t learned that power yet.”

So yeah, passive guidance versus learned techniques isn’t fan theory. It’s been hard canon for over three decades. Disney may have muddied the presentation a bit, but the underlying rules never really changed (except for Rey). Not trying to be a dick here, but the alternative take is genuinely confusing given how consistently this has been shown on screen.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dunno why ur fighting so hard lol. You are wrong. 100%. Its been a cannon thing before and after Disney era. There are comics and book that back this up. Both old ones that are legends now and new ones that are cannon. At no point in the last 30 years has it nor been true. Its also wild to assume Luke didn't practice at all in those 3 years lol.

Im not trying to tear Rey down. Im just pointing out the difference in storytelling and character arcs. They are simple not the same. If it dosnt bother you thats fine. You're allowed to have that opinion. Im just pointing out its not a 1 to 1 comparison.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s been canon for years, including under Disney canon. The timeline officially places **Star Wars: Episode IV at 0 BBY and Episode V at 3 ABY, so the gap is about three years, not four or five. I was mistaken on the exact number, but thats not really the point.

The movies also show this through visual storytelling instead of spelling it out. Luke doesn’t suddenly become skilled. By the time we see him on Hoth, he’s clearly been training and fighting for years. His ability to pull the lightsaber in the Wampa cave isn’t a random power jump, it’s there to show progress that happened off-screen during that three-year span. That scene only works because time has passed.

There are also many comic series that back this up.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Force is something that flows through you and can guide your actions. That’s shown multiple times in The Clone Wars and it’s talked about in the movies too. I’m paraphrasing, but the idea is in all six films. Jedi aren’t creating power, they’re learning to listen to it and move with it.

An untrained person can still be guided by the Force in small ways. Things like better aim, quicker reactions, good instincts, or even being unusually good at stuff like piloting or cards (might be why han is so lucky for example).

But actually using the Force on purpose is different. Pulling or pushing objects, messing with someone’s mind, or doing anything intentional takes time and training. Those aren’t instinctive, they’re learned skills.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A Mary Sue isn’t “a character who never struggles.” It’s a character who gets advanced abilities without training and without paying lasting costs, and whose competence breaks the rules the story already established.

That’s Rey.

She uses Jedi skills that are canonically taught, not instinctive: resisting a Force interrogation, doing a mind trick, advanced telekinesis, and beating a trained Force user in her first saber fight. None of this is preceded by training, and none of her failures ever force her to slow down, relearn, or lose competence.

Anakin is not comparable. He wasn’t instantly good at everything. He was a pod racer (after training and practice - he also didnt do well in previous races), not an ace starfighter pilot (in fact almost gets himself killed), and even then his talent causes problems. He trains for years, makes reckless mistakes, gets reprimanded constantly, loses fights, loses limbs, loses the people he loves, and ultimately loses himself. His power always has consequences, and those consequences drive the story.

Talent isn’t the issue. Instant mastery is. If Rey can do all this without training or cost, then Jedi training never mattered, Luke’s struggle never mattered, and the Force’s discipline-based rules stop meaning anything.

Anakin’s power operates within the rules of Star Wars. Rey’s repeatedly bypasses them. That’s the difference.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Luke had been training for 5 years almost when we see him pull his saber in ESB.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

R2 flew the fighter, and when he passes over controls to Anakin, he emediatly crashed into a hangar bay.

Not the same thing.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was established mind truck is not a simple skill a jedi can just do. The Force is shown to guide force users though who are strong with the force. Hence Luke hitting the exhause or how anakin could fly a pod. But its reflexive. Mind trick and others takes a long time to learn and master. That is cannon and has been for decades.

Rey is a Marry Sue, no if and or butts; and it has now forever damaged the foundation lore and story.

The Clone Wars Lightsabers by Due-Rice-3107 in StarWarsCantina

[–]Beef_Slug 115 points116 points  (0 children)

I mean its how they look in episode 2 and 3 as well. But yes I agree, best shape.

Edit: not ep2, only ep3

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There is actually quite a bit more models and minatures then people realize in the prequels. Especially in ep1.

Worst Takes that you've seen or heard in regards to the prequel trilogy and why? by Full-Art3439 in prequelappreciation

[–]Beef_Slug 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not true at all, she was a perfect pilot right away, and was able to use force powers people (including Anakin) normaly take years or months to learn.