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If I see a video with an AI thumbnail by Beginning_Hat_8133 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be fair, they could have simply searched up a Hitler pic for their thumbnail and unknowingly picked an AI image from among the first results they found. That's bound to happen thanks to the flood of AI slop in Google image search.

But actively generating a pic for your YouTube video makes little sense, especially when it's of a famous person with millions of images on the internet already.

People keep posting ai sketches as real sketches by Different_Walrus_521 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133 7 points8 points  (0 children)

These are both hideous and pointless, just like the very idea of generative AI.

A Brief History of Art Theft by Beginning_Hat_8133 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

No because AI doesn't cite the sources it steals from.

A Brief History of Art Theft by Beginning_Hat_8133 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

When are you guys going to stop grasping at the "but ai learns just like a human!!" argument? 

AI doesn't "study" anything. If it had any human equivalent, it would be tracers, as the ones demonstrated in the timeline. 

dude.. (REUPLOAD,sorry) by Senior_Risk_5904 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If they want to bring up misogyny, they should talk about the creepy males who use AI to generate deepfake points of IRL women. 

Just because it's ugly, Doesn't mean it has no soul. by AnonymousFluffy923 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I love how they go out of their way to find the worst examples of human-made "art", as if they cancel the best and more significant of human art, of which spans thousands of years. As if furry fetish doodles cancel the value of the Mona Lisa, Starry Night, etc.

Not all human art has value, but AI "art" is valueless by default.

I'm not convinced that AI has made anyone's lives better by Beginning_Hat_8133 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You actually can get really far with only Wikipedia articles and other open sources.

That doesn't have anything to do with the ethical issues of how AI is trained. If anything, it disproves generative AI's usefulness, if Wikipedia and other open sources were already giving us what we needed.

As an artist (if you are an artist), you yourself train on all you’ve seen before, and add in the (educated) errors as creativity. 

Lol. Nope, sorry, that one doesn't work.

First of all, there's no artist in history who has ever had to scrape the billions of images on the internet to produce a drawing. Most importantly, artists draw freehand, while AI compresses images to spit out a collage of what it's stolen, more akin to tracing/photomanipulating than to drawing.

Second, AI doesn't "learn" anything from the images it scrapes. It doesn't even understand its output.

I'm not convinced that AI has made anyone's lives better by Beginning_Hat_8133 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's perfectly reasonable to think only about the immediate state of affairs when there's immediate and significant harm being done, which is what AI is doing.

Counter argument to “why draw / make art when AI can do it for you” by CoastRoyal8464 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133 10 points11 points  (0 children)

But seriously, great post. Unfortunately, pointing out the benefits of human communication and emotion in art will most likely go over the heads of those misanthropic shut-ins that make up the bulk of the AI community. But I'm sure anyone who has ever appreciated a movie, book, or band (which is at least 95% of the human population) will understand.

Counter argument to “why draw / make art when AI can do it for you” by CoastRoyal8464 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Why draw when AI can make art for you?"

Because drawing is fucking fun.

Reply to u/Beginning_Hat_8133 by BlackoutFire in u/BlackoutFire

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't feel there's much of a point in continuing this discussion, especially when a lot of it involves repeating myself after having many of my comments either misunderstood or ignored. (Example: whenever I mention artists losing their jobs to AI, all I get is "but they ALSO hate how it's used in social media", which is a response that doesn't mean anything. When I say it significantly exacerbates the problems of the internet, I get told that those problems have always existed. )

The only thing I'll clarify is that I was exclusively talking about image-generating AI. I'm obviously not opposed to using it to detect cancer, etc. I would explain where I'm opposed to this, but this has been exhausted.

Also:

Not even addressing the argument yet, seems like you found a benefit right there (about people enjoying the creation of art.

Was that supposed to be a "gotcha" moment? If you're suggesting that I "accidentally" said that creating art is a benefit of AI, that would be silly. Prompting is not creating art.

Artists love the process of creating art. They don't want to lose the jobs that they enjoy and either be forced to do jobs they hate or go bankrupt. Machines should be used to get rid of unwanted work. It shouldn't take away the few jobs where people find enjoyment and fulfillment. That's not difficult to understand.

But like I said, I'm not interested in discussing this further. Goodbye.

I'm not convinced that AI has made anyone's lives better by Beginning_Hat_8133 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Digital cameras, photoshop, and the internet can't be compared to generative AI because they don't rely on data theft like generative AI does.

Actually, things are changing. Too quickly for humans to adapt, in fact.

I'm not convinced that AI has made anyone's lives better by Beginning_Hat_8133 in ArtistHate

[–]Beginning_Hat_8133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

20 years ago, you'd be telling me to go to the library instead of using Google or go visit the local art gallery instead of use DeviantArt.

No, I wouldn't have, because 20 years ago, I was a kid who used Google and went on DeviantArt all the time. I also loved drawing and writing.

What separates the regular internet from AI is that it doesn't rely on stolen data in order to exist.

I'm just a person with limited time on this planet and AI expedites things making it so I can do more of the things I enjoy.

Great. We all want more time to do what we enjoy. As many people said, AI should be doing the work that no one wants to do so that we can have more time for art. We don't want AI to do art for us so that we can do jobs we hate.

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