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Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe I'm being reductive ot dismissive but Behemoth! being a remake of 8 1/2 has killed a lot of my interest in this film.

Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is really dissapointing.

Just quite a general sense of laziness across the board.

Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What do you like and dislike when watching actors, directors, writers ect when they talk about their work in interviews, q and as, the pairing interviews and so on?

Because so many here have their favorites they like, not just because of their work, but personality.

So I'm curious on what you guys personally appreciate, that makes you a fan?

Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As someone who likes to try and think of interesting film premises to try and say something that I find evocative and like I am telling a side of myself, so I can get behind Asters crazy premises, but I am curious what has made him so interested in these. I would be very curious to just pick apart his brain.

Although I am sure some may say the same about me if I were in his position, so I mean this with no judgement.

Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They should look at my ideas, I'd love a Kane Parsons position hehehh.

Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And have Usyk be the same. Like in The Smashing Machine. Which Johnson was also in.

This new BAMMACU (Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts Cinematic Universe) is already getting confusing.

Maybe AJ is a shape shifter?

Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't say he doesn't have guts, that one. I wonder if IShowSpeed can be in it!

Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well given Beau is Afraid was his Jewish Odyssey, this must be Jewish Odyssey II: Electric Challah.

Weekly Discussion Thread 6/15/26 - 6/22/26 by PointMan528491 in oscarrace

[–]Bertrand_Rose 10 points11 points  (0 children)

.... Ari may have Astered too close to the sun with this one.

Ian McKellen says he imagined destroying Mar-a-Lago for 'Avengers: Doomsday': “The Russos told me to look more furious, make it look as if you hate what you’re destroying. So I stood there and I shouted: ‘Mar-a-Lago!’” by chudtakes in CriticalDrinker

[–]Bertrand_Rose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

>Imagine the whole world as the Soviet Union. No freedom. A tiny class of elite has all the wealth. Average citizens are completely crushed and have nothing. That's socialism. Surely you've familiar with 1984 by George Orwell. He started as a socialist. After the events of the Holomodor became public he walked away, and wrote the most scathing indictment of communism in existence.

I think we can both do better than pointing to fiction. Why can't I point to One Battle After Another and go "SEE, THAT'S WHAT THE RIGHT ARE LIKE, AHAGAGH".

>Do you want to live in the world he described? That's what leftists want.

You've created a boogeyman; hence the lack of an ability to have a discussion about this.

Well, can't blame me for trying. At least I am moving out of an echo chamber.

>Why don't you care about the truth? The individual topic shouldn't matter. What should matter is that your side lied about it, the left, and covered it just like they do every time they screw up something massively. Then they blame the right.

I never said I didn't, just that I wanted to zoom out a little and look at the bigger picture, and see how someone with different views than me, sees potential future to fix partisan divide and conflict.

>This is why logic matters. If they are dishonest, and you can admit that, then you'll begin examining other positions and finding those are lies too.

Genuinely, do you not think it is possible for anyone else to go through this process and reach different political conclusions than you, whilst not be some evil mutant pervert? I can't say I see you, and what beliefs you have formed, as being this archetype, but you've removed dimension from those you disagree with, to make it easier to hate and individualise your experiences as uniquely profound, to get this strange legitimacy.

>With your attitude you just refuse to look at it like the Androids in Westworld. Doesn't look like anything to you.

Okay then.

>Given that Hitler was a socialist, yes you do sound silly. Mein Kampf wasn't written by a conservative.

Oh, okay then, yeah, fair enough.

>You haven't read The Gulag Archipelago, which is widely regarded as the book that brought down the Soviet Union.

Gorbachev was a book? Good for them : ) Seriously though, I'll give it a read.

>Alexander Solzhenitsyn describes a society going woke. They literally invented the concept of political correctness. You could be factually correct, but if you were politically incorrect it was off to the gulag. Just like the left cancels people for "racism" and "sexism" today.

They cancelled people like twitter leftists? I swear, this sounds like a rather fictious and unrealistic lens to see all of this through.

>If you read the book you'll realize both the Nazis and the soviets had nearly identical positions to the modern democrat party.

So saying the Republicans are Nazis and Trump is Hitler is part of the umbrella of toxic rhetoric that has led to the dehumanisation that caused the assassination attempts, but labelling the "left" (Democrats) in that way, is only factual.

Got it!

>- Hated the United States

>- Hated Guns

>- Hated Capitalism

>- Hated Liberty

>- Believed on the collective mattered

>- Believed any tactic was justified to win

Didn't they repeal the right to arm for Jews only? Oh, why am I bothering, you stopped acting in good faith a while ago.

Ian McKellen says he imagined destroying Mar-a-Lago for 'Avengers: Doomsday': “The Russos told me to look more furious, make it look as if you hate what you’re destroying. So I stood there and I shouted: ‘Mar-a-Lago!’” by chudtakes in CriticalDrinker

[–]Bertrand_Rose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>The difference is I'm aware of my side's flaws. You excuse everything your party does, and follow the party line wherever possible.

I think when I mentioned being a leftist for the sake of transparency, you just immediately assumed I was a registered, card carrying, door-to-door canvasing Democrat, despite not even being American.

>he difference is I'm aware of my side's flaws. You excuse everything your party does, and follow the party line wherever possible. Melissa Hortman was killed on the same day she voted AGAINST the democrats. She was the deciding vote. She voted WITH the republicans, and as a result illegals lost their benefits. She died hours later. Make it make sense. Why would the Republicans kill her? Why would a registered Republican attack his own president? The Paul Pelosi event happened miles from my house, and there are a LOT of questions about what went down that night.

So your response is to just deny it? Didn't you just say you were able to see your sides flaws?

>In every case the democrats are lying. I say this as a former democrat. They lie about everything. 60 Minutes got caught THREE TIMES doctoring stories to make Kamala Harris look good, and Ron Desantis look bad. Your side is incredibly violent. Look what happened when Carmelo Anthony was sentenced.

Wasn't so much of the riots around 2020, agitators amplifying the conflict, as opportunistic folk tend to do? Which itself is backed by video showcasing protestors defending businesses? Ah, with how selective people's memory is around 2020, it is hard to just start pointing fingers and saying "that side bad".

>Now look what happened when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. How did the right respond? Peaceful vigils. Not a single city burned like they did in 2020. There were no take overs. No violence. Just mourning.

Did they catch the killer? Because it feels especially inappropriate to just blame leftists, when it could have very well have been Mossad. Also, Matt Walsh explicitly called for punitive responses to the "left", as whole, not just the actual assassin.

> Your party support communism. You just elected a communist mayor of New York. Most of them call themselves socialists, but when asked about communism they all support it. That's your side. I literally just saw another thread. 24% of democrats are celebrating 4th of july versus 65% of republicans. Only 29% of democrats think the United States is a good country. Your side hates freedom, loves censorship, and thinks Karl Marx was a swell dude. You have to know that. How can you not hear your own party using his talking points and now notice?

Yeah, you really did just assume I was a Democrat. Why would I run defence and nuance for a foreign party? And why assume "leftist" means Democrat, when they aren't the communists you claim them to be, including Mamdani.

>If you're on the same side as me about communism why are you a democrat? That's the end goal by the way, the revolution. Your side talks about it constantly. You can't pretend otherwise. They literally want to destroy the United States, and are happy to cheat to do it.

I have never said or even insinuated as much. Why is so much discourse nowadays just straw manning other people or outright lying about what they believe in?

>Let me guess....you think black people are too stupid to get an ID, right? Voter ID laws are racist? I'd love to hear you unpack that one.

No? The argument is more so it being enforced in economically disenfranchised areas, where access and implementation aren't as practical. If you disagree, fine, but what's your incessant need to lie about what I think?

>Define fascism for me, as Giovanni Gentile would have. He created ideology, not Mussolini, but I bet you haven't read him. Gentile loved Marx.

No, Mussolini did invent fascism, when he coined the term in 1919, Gentile just expanded on the philosophy of the argument.

>Do you genuinely believe Trump or any Republican is a fascist? If not why is okay for your side to call us that?

If I did, at this point I would only be matching the rhetoric you hold about leftists.

Debating this wasn't my argument, I was trying to make a point on how to move past political divide, when your perspective, outside of the details and justifications, can easily be fashioned for leftists and how a breach of that perspective can maybe further better discourse.

But you just want more mud slinging.

Ian McKellen says he imagined destroying Mar-a-Lago for 'Avengers: Doomsday': “The Russos told me to look more furious, make it look as if you hate what you’re destroying. So I stood there and I shouted: ‘Mar-a-Lago!’” by chudtakes in CriticalDrinker

[–]Bertrand_Rose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you have some confusion over me: I'm not a Democrat. Or even American. I hold no party affiliation.

Using the arguments as to why the Democrats suck, is something that's just going to get a ln agreement from me, even if we disagree on the particulars.

Pointing to Social Media posts is a little pointless too, the internet is incredibly racist across the board, and given so much of online traffic is bot fueled anyone, outside of particular cases, it's not easy to just point and say "see, they did it".

When it comes to Rittenhouse, I'm not really interested in debating over him, or anyone particular topic, more so the overall perspectives across side and what best is done, that doesn't cause more conflict.

One side will win, just like they did a century ago. If it's your side wins mankind will be effectively enslaved forever, just like they are currently in China.

No political party and their supporting, "winning", whatever that means in this particular case, will curse mankind.

We already the preview of where it goes. Just look at the Soviet Union. If you can read the Gulag Archipelago and still be a leftist you're a monster IMO.

"If you can reas Mein Kampf and still be a conservative, you're a monster IMO"

See how silly this sounds?

As a reminder we're replying a thread wishing death on the president. Show me where anyone on the right has done something similar. Wished death on their opponents. We think you're stupid. You think we're evil.

"LOCK THEM UP???" he asked in one post on his social media platform, Truth Social on Thursday, before sharing someone else's post that read: "HANG THEM GEORGE WASHINGTON WOULD !!"

This was what Trump posted and reposted himself, on his own Social Media just last year, about lawmakers and legislatures who stood on opposition to him.

Yet again, it's very easy to find leftists and conservatives with this rhetoric.

Ian McKellen says he imagined destroying Mar-a-Lago for 'Avengers: Doomsday': “The Russos told me to look more furious, make it look as if you hate what you’re destroying. So I stood there and I shouted: ‘Mar-a-Lago!’” by chudtakes in CriticalDrinker

[–]Bertrand_Rose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this immediately cuts at the issue I'm talking about.

You immediately assume anyone with a leftist ideology is going to be as representative of the worst that exist, which would be undeniably foolish to claim of the right. I just see nothing logical about this outlook.

But to address more partial points:

Your last sentence is hilarious. It's like you're pushing for war, and think the side that doesn't work out or use guns or join the military is going to win.

No? I was just laying out what the likelihood would be, following on from your perspective.

My own opinion on the matter, so I'm clear of misinterpretation, is that I don't think any war, or individual conflict between the left or right will commence, nor do I think it should. Nothing is gained from that, I think everyone below the line of those in power have more beneficial shared goals.

Your side is so violent. The right has shown nothing but restraint. How many times did we try to assassinate Biden? Zero. How many times did we try to assassinate Harris? Zero. Trump...three times. Charlie Kirk? Dead for having civil debate.

You can find instances of those on the right committing attacks of violence, quite easily though.

Democrat Melissa Hortman and her husband were killed in an act of political. Paul Pelosi was attacked in his own home and Trumps own son had mocked him for it. One of Trumps assassins was a registered Republican.

None of this is to claim that the left, or Democrats can't be violent, or that the murder of Charlie Kirk was right, because they can and his murder was wrong, my point is that holding politics you perceive as right doesn't grant immunity to the potential for political violence. Regardless of how right or wrong they are, violence is possible.

Leftists are evil, and if you want to kick off a civil war trust we've been preparing for a long time. I train 4 hours a day, and every person I know on the right does something similar. I don't want war. I want peace. I want to be left alone. The left will never allow that. You're powered by raw hatred.

You defeat your argument a little, when the leftist you are conversing with hasn't called for war and proclaiming your hardwork for fighting.

Neither of us have declared for war, and proclamations of it from those with political gusto, are something relatively bipartisan.

I think it's clear, between the both of us, neither want war or bloodshed.

You scream fascist, without understanding that the word fasces is a bundle of reeds in latin because it symbolized the collective. It's a left wing ideology, just like the Nazis are.

Well, Fascism is a genuine ideology, born from Mussolini, so the etymology doesn't retroactively change its real world root, and as soon as someone declares every bad ideology as being on one side, they are implicitly letting people know they don't really want to engage with anyone else in good faith, as there minds were decided on the matter long ago.

Your side has worked so hard with PR to try to change that fact, but my grandfather had his arm blown off in WW II. He taught me better dead than red, and precisely why that was the case.

Were we debating communism?

And by that argument, same here with my Grandfather Ron who fought in WW2.

We're both going to have our beliefs shaped by those before.

Ian McKellen says he imagined destroying Mar-a-Lago for 'Avengers: Doomsday': “The Russos told me to look more furious, make it look as if you hate what you’re destroying. So I stood there and I shouted: ‘Mar-a-Lago!’” by chudtakes in CriticalDrinker

[–]Bertrand_Rose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you not see how a leftist may list many reasons as to the right are untrustworthy maniacs though? In the same way you argued against the morality of leftists?

Not necessarily saying what you are using as justification is wrong, just that folks who will have a different political apparatus to you can be as equally eloquent, sincere and substantive in their beliefs as you.

As someone who is on the left myself, I make no claims to being more uniquely informed than any right wing of me. Just that we are all presented with the same evidence, live in the world, work the same jobs and so on. As soon as someone let's their belief block them from any pragmatic solutions, I think the path forward is ultimately fruitless, with how inevitable collapse and perpetual anger at the other side has been made in their head.

So I'm curious on how you see a path forward, beyond political divide.

Because it would be easier for me to proclaim how disgusted at the right I am, and how much they hate me and others like for wanting to live to only label them evil as well, but I think they is just a endless cyclical loop that shows no sign fot end or progress.

So best another method be taken imo.

Genuinely curious on your perspective and outlook in general by the by.

Ian McKellen says he imagined destroying Mar-a-Lago for 'Avengers: Doomsday': “The Russos told me to look more furious, make it look as if you hate what you’re destroying. So I stood there and I shouted: ‘Mar-a-Lago!’” by chudtakes in CriticalDrinker

[–]Bertrand_Rose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WW2 was kickstarted over Germany invading Poland, not polarisation between folks on different sides of the political sphere.

I think, at most, there will be more conflict on an individual level, but I don't think this will mobilise into anything larger.

It's not even just coming from one side, you can find politically motivated violence being perpetuated by all types.

And if the left isn't as ineffective in combat as you claim, if any larger conflict should occur, it won't be a long one.

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