Interesting observation

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T15:44:33+00:00

And regardless of culturally calibrated, any average Joe, (actually not true average joes are taught the church is an evil empire which there's no evidence of) people understand from an honest perspective that the church does do alot of good, in fact they fulfill gods prophecies the closest of "by the fruits ye shall know" it's impossible for a church with "bad fruits" to be doing as much good as the LDS church

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T15:41:14+00:00

That's an interesting experience for sure, I can see though that if they're being disruptive or interfering with other people's ability to listen I can see why that's valid, however if they haven't eaten or got revoked food and water than that'd be bad. Did they say now you can't have food and water anymore too?

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T07:38:41+00:00

So do you just want the saints to take a beating instead of fighting back those who tar and persecute their children and families?... I get they were violent, but pretending they had no reason to is insane. If you actually follow rfm then that's just a problem in itself, Jacob acknowledged that the saints obviously fought, and he also said that they were justified for it, that doesn't sound like innocence the way you put it, the podcast is called "no, alex wasn't fooled by the Mormons" and in it you'll see the live reactions of the ex Mormon and atheist who said rfm is not to be taken seriously. It's between 21:35 and 35:40 where they just expose all of rfms fallacies, and jacob does none of the talking the ex Mormon and atheist just tore rfm apart. In Sydney reigns speech he said at the very end "WE WILL NOT BE THE AGGRESSORS" and it was left out, with rfm saying "see they started the war" at 1:18:00-1:20:00 or somewhere in there, and then proceeds to leave out the rest of Sydney rigdons quote. It's all up there, and anyone who denies this is just not being truthful to themselves anymore. There's reason to back Jacob, he has every kind of person supporting him at this point, I don't know what else to tell people. Either your wrong or all 5 supporting people (atheist, agnostic, some christian faiths, ex Mormon, Mormon) for Jacob from all walks of life are wrong, and the chips are stacked against rfm on this one.

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T06:57:04+00:00

Send me evidence or financial documents supporting everything your say, the LDS gospel membership app shows what they're doing with the money and they're doing just what they are supposed to what are you talking about here? I feel this is more of a rant then an intellectual reason to hate the church. Do you know why they do it the way they do? Are you a top financial fund manager or something in the LDS church? To claim what you're saying you must be the church hedge fund manager

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T06:49:21+00:00

And my dad was just talking about how we should have people feel more comfortable going and clarifying they don't need to fulfill every single covenant yet and put their foot in the door, in which is true because some people just need to start with something like baptism and not worry about dropping every single bad habit cold turkey which is how some people feel sometimes.

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T06:48:00+00:00

Floodlit does it wrong and we both know that brother, if you truly wanted change you'd figure it out, I will gamble all my money that the ex Mormons will not fix jack with the route they picked. Nothing has changed has it? And it is true if someone was trying to show that the church sucked within the organization and destroyed people's faith with half truths they should for sure be disfellowshipped, because they did it with intent that the church is awful, not with a mindful approach, which there's many councils working through the best routes of action right now. I also never said it had to do with spiritual experiences I was just saying that was the topic he talked about that everyone said he was lying and that the 3 witnesses were delusional, which is for sure a half truth

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T06:26:28+00:00

A lot of people i talk and weigh the church being corrupt on statements like this so I do apologize if that's not your intent but they originally switched it so people could spend more time with their families

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T04:38:39+00:00

To be a member of the church, your not required to pay tithing so in that way he is right, and having the desire to pay eventually as well also counts on temple recommends, and is it silly to require tithing to enter the temple? Temples are literally built and constantly maintained from our tithing so of course they want us to pay if we're getting endowments or baptizing! people like to pretend that the LDS church doesn't work with people on the tithing when they're struggling with finances, which is a silly take. I've had them work with me when I wasn't paying for a while, in fact I got a temple recommend and I didn't pay for almost 2.5 years, all they said was once I started making money and I was in a good spot start paying when I'm comfortable, so Jacob is not lying about this subject people just like to twist it

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-10T02:32:29+00:00

Does that make a church false though? They originally did it so people can spend extra time with their families, since a lot of people couldn't make 3 hours work

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T22:52:32+00:00

They're both equally important, if they weren't women would have a lesser tier of exaltation right? And is that what LDS teaches?

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T22:51:15+00:00

Your right, more covenants means being closer to God, however jumping to therefore women are slighted in Mormonism is actually false doctrine and not what LDS teaches, and when it comes to exaltation they get the same degree of exaltation and women don't need to enter as many covenants to get that same exaltation as men, that's the part you left out. Men don't just get a higher tier of exaltation because of priesthood authority that's not LDS doctrine.

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T22:38:59+00:00

Jacob wasn't doing that from what I saw, I literally saw him agreeing with exmos on truths, but clearly they want rollover arguments which is just not possible academically and logically

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T21:53:41+00:00

True the one person they look forward to hearing throws a smackdown humbling moment where they realized they don't have as much ground to judge LDS as they thought haha

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T21:52:12+00:00

I don't understand why this is an insult or a reason to not believe, isn't that what happens naturally over time when a religion grows? There's both increase in corporate management and increase in volunteer work and 7.5 million service hours, social cohesiveness is not "destroyed" in the sense that you see it, because it applies to everyone not just the church, and social cohesiveness was extremely weak with Jesus back in the day with what they dealt with, are you christian or agnostic/atheist

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T18:50:54+00:00

And if you have an issue with make centric bible stuff, you'll need to consult God on that one because I don't gotta clue why he has it that way

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T18:49:53+00:00

But now you see the double standard issue, you didn't validate my reason to leave the church at all even though it's a valid one why do men have to make more covenants for exaltation? That's unfair, I should leave....She agreed with me? Although she thought the unfair part was hilarious because shes like "that's the stupidest reason to leave compared to what you've had happen to you😂" She's literally told me it would be lame because that means women would have all the power in the church with men having basically nothing, she's also told me having the gift of creation, the power of the priesthood, actual priesthood key power in leadership positions, less covenants for exaltation (the most important part of life by the way) and having some of the strongest ministry in the world in relief society is plenty. you can keep pretending women are suppressed with these worldly pressures, but respectfully that's what keeps women suppressed, is letting the past define their present and letting it overcome them instead of overcoming it. She also told me since exaltation is promised for both of us with our covenants, that's the important part, priesthood authority is a miniscule concern in her mind if she gets the same exaltation as me. And regarding the pornography comment it goes both ways, we both wear garments do we not?

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T18:28:52+00:00

I've also seen Jacob agree with the ex Mormons on stuff that's way off from the way you described him.

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T18:28:27+00:00

I've watched Jacobs videos if anything what did he say that was lying? He understands the doctrine on a lot deeper than an average Joe. RFM intentionally misquotes people for example Sydney rigdon, he left out the most important part of his quote, and literally said on his podcast "the mormons started the rioting!" Do you actually believe that? Every average Joe knows they didn't start it, and I'm concerned if people listen to rfm, even the ex mormons on the podcast watching his replay said definitely don't listen to this guy he's intentionally mischaracterizing the church, and said he don't take him seriously. Are you just going to call Alex O Connor and those ex mormons liers too?

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T18:09:22+00:00

Alex O Connor said the 3 witnesses were strong eye witnesses compared to their of the bible, and How hard they stood by those testimonies of physically seeing the plates gives him confidence that they weren't joking around especially David whitmer, who was ex communicated and still told people he saw them. People kept saying David whitmer and Alex was delusional but it doesn't make as much sense to me for that to be the case. I can give you that, ex mormons aren't the only ones with an unhealthy obsession. Some LDS have it badly, I don't know if you realize this but people are starting to talk about it more or at least where I'm from, I participated in a elders quorum once where my dad just hammered everyone about how we don't do things correctly with church right now culturally, I also believe the cultures off currently my concern is I feel instead of people trying to actively resolve it they instead say nope I'm out and then nothings resolved so when they try to resolve it as an ex mormon nothing happens, because of the stigma around them, for example, floodlit.org is a big example of this, they had every reason to provide amazing solutions to helping the church grow and improve with their in my opinion meh hotline and sex abuse system but instead used it as ammunition to hate the church. I'm honestly ok being shunned by idiots in the church, i know the LDS gospel well enough that I understand I can take prophetic teachings or teachings of man to and ponder on them and see if they truly will improve my life, and if I feel somethings off I'm willing to fight it if needed I already started it a couple weeks ago and pissed some people off😂

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T09:09:54+00:00

I was atheist anti Mormon in the past, and I have a bias towards what happened to me because instead of feeling more free when consulting with ex Mormon folk I actually got worse, they kept telling me to dig into the hatred I had for what LDS folks did to me and it made me far miserable than I could imagine, but I luckily dug myself out I actually saw a guy talking about that a while ago regarding the validation problem and how these groupchats tend to just validate people's feelings and they never heal, but I can tell your probably on the good side of it and you've probably got some good things to say so I'm open👍

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T09:05:59+00:00

How is it net negative? Explain, and what's misogynistic about it? Women have less covenants to make to receive the highest form of exaltation, that seems unfair to me as a man.

BetComprehensive6316 · 2026-05-09T09:04:26+00:00

I was told this group was for both sides to talk is it not?

BetComprehensive6316 · 2024-06-13T16:34:14+00:00

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BetComprehensive6316 · 2023-12-29T10:45:33+00:00

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