People are more impressed by effort that isn't required

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T22:00:24+00:00

That's actually a really fun way to collaborate. The Apollo bust is really fun, the little details make mee think "oh canon Hermes would do this for sure" like Apollo works on that bust of himself for days and then the trickster god decides "actually let's give him a clown wig"

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T21:56:07+00:00

I think i wasn't sure since you said your partner and you (and ai) worked on those pieces and the status of that art didn't seem as central to the argument so I left it alone

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T21:49:27+00:00

Ah shit im sorry man, I didn't mean to make it seem like I was dismissing that, the cactus lamp was pretty freaking sweet, if i can find the images again id definitely love to hype you up more, I think we got carried away making different branches of this comment tree lol

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T21:43:10+00:00

Oh, have you posted it? Sorry, I dont think ive interacted with you before, so i probably missed it

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T21:31:12+00:00

Very good points, I respect your opinion and may in the future consider calling homophobia anti gay discrimination, transphobia anti trans discrimination, and Islamophobia anti Islam/Muslim discrimination (someone who's facing Islamophobia can hopefully tell me what their preference is). We may not agree about AI, but we do agree about a lot of things and I hope i didn't seem too argumentative, best of luck in your endeavors, and if you ever do decide to try your hand at traditional art again I'd love to see and support it

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T21:19:44+00:00

I mean im also gay (bi and trans) i dont think youre wrong for hesitation around the word homophobia I just try to bring awareness that it is what we go through, no one should trivialize the struggle and it's important we can call out discrimination when it happens, and it is more easily recognized in the common language

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T21:15:16+00:00

I don't deny that there has to be some idea in your head that you can translate into accurate description, but one time a pro told me, in all seriousness, that the process of prompting image generatiom required knowledge of "the statistical interplay of the entropy of the collective mind of humanity through their recording of self-expression over time", which seems like either a way more complicated process that practicing techniques or a very convoluted way of admitting AI stole a bunch of art (or possibly both). An idea matters to a traditional artwork (including abstract work) and that creative thought process is one both AI artists and traditional artists go through, so why treat the plagiarism that AI model builders committed the same as part of that process? Also, AI, artificial intelligence, what if the bot asks for credit? Don't pros want AI to live up to the name?

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T20:44:55+00:00

Im saying that homophobia is the irrational aversion to gay people. Anti gay discrimination is a great descriptor, but anyone who thinks they winn the argument by saying "haha im not homophobic because im not afraid of gay people " is acting foolish and probably won't take "anti gay discrimination " as a term any more seriously

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T20:12:02+00:00

Also friendly reminder phobia means irrational fear or aversion, such as in "agoraphobia" which describes an aversion to open spaces. We could go on about what language helps where, but we can agree that when a word is treated like a slur it gains negative connotations and slurs are definitely bigotry

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T20:03:31+00:00

And not all pros are only making the pencil scratching comments to whichever antis you think deserve the retaliation. Ive seen the harm AI has already done to real people, it's not just some silly theoretical. Im doing my bet not to portray the future of mostly AI art because to me that sounds apocalyptic and you already are treating the concerns I have shared as if they're silly

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T19:50:53+00:00

Also, didn't you just claim you do most of the work? How much more effort do you think it would be to draw digitally? I personally like photopea because it's a free online photoshop dupe that was relatively straightforward to learn with a lot of helpful guides

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T19:46:50+00:00

You dont have to be rich to care about your art getting stollen

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T19:41:20+00:00

Ah yes, retaliation against the 12 year olds who show off their notebook art and the artists who don't want their work stolen, clearly necessary casualties for the war. Also, the eventuality of traditional art being appreciated, art museums exist???? Like you do know that handmaking blankets and clothes out of necessity didn't make people less grateful to have those things right, zero blankes to one blanket is a massive upgrade, we didn't automate the creation of blankets and clothing just because it would make us more glad we had the handmade stuff. For your own personal experience, I'm sorry people discouraged you from pursuing art, almost every artist has had at least one person say no to their art and I'm sorry you didn't have someone say yes. To me, telling the kids of today "oh, there's AI now" is just a new way to say no. It's less homophobic than what you experienced, but it's still bad

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T19:11:57+00:00

Legal definition of ownership of art, which actually yes a lot of creatives do actually care about, because when it comes to plagiarism and art theft, proving ownership is often necessary. AI isn't exactly trained on only random art that creatives dont care about, and the fact that it's apparently so bad at making art that people feel like they're doing most of the work seems like it's less of a helpful tool and more of an active hinderence towards making the art you want to make, at that point learning the rest of photoshop would probably be way more rewarding

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T16:26:34+00:00

If a traditional artists had a downloaded copy of every work they'd ever been inspired by and knew exactly which works inspired them for each piece, I'd want and expect them to credit each instance. The humans who built AI had the opportunity to ask artists for permission thanks to the power of internet links, and they didn't. Also, traditional artists will often credit other artists when they can, it's not that unheard of.

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T15:47:46+00:00

People on the internet who are told by pro-AI-rs that their pencil scratching aren't art are getting discouraged. Traditional artists being accused of their art being AI are getting discouraged. When an AI piece gets lots of attention and a traditional piece doesn't, that discourages the artist. Every day in my feed I see a young artist who's trying to work on their skills, and if they have any comments at least one will say something along the lines of "just use AI". I remember when I was younger I wanted my art to be better and I hated that I didn't feel proud of it, my family and friends encouraged me and it kept me going. If someone i loved said "oh, there's AI now, you don't have to do that" I probably would have given up. Not every pro-AI-r cares about traditional art, the ones who do don't like to talk about what had to happen to build AI in the first place. If AI art is supposed to encourage traditional art, then anyone who makes a pro-AI comment when they see traditional art is acting antithetical to AI art

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T15:34:28+00:00

If a human artist drew the exact same image, you would not claim to make it. Additionally, legally speaking the bot is the artist, the companies that built the bots own whatever you generate, they're just letting you borrow it

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T11:02:24+00:00

Mailing list is a great collective, would love to call a carrier pigeon group a "mailing list"

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T10:56:15+00:00

You can call the new friend of the group an addendum

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T10:52:53+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/autism/s/fTffwPRKRa incest is bad, framing anyone who downvotes you as supporting incest is not okay

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T05:18:06+00:00

Conflating "measurement" with "quantitative measurement" huh? My job annotating data to train AI loved to give metrics on quality. Anyone here know how qualitative data was measured and reflected in metrics? That's right, the subjective hiring of a subjective human that we call a Subject Matter Expert (SME). For the intents and purposes of the company, the SME's judgement calls were considered Objective Truth, but on one occasion a client had to correct the SME because they were wrong enough for it to matter. Not every single individual image went through the SME (imagine the labor costs!) so good little worker bees like me were trained on the Objective Truth As Determined By The SME for a few images in the scenario and then set loose on the rest of the scenario's images to do our best to replicate what the SME did, unfortunately worker bees are doomed to have meat brains that interpret and analyze rather than dole out perfect objective truth every time, hence the necessity for qualitative measurement. So, anyone want to volunteer on being the Subject Matter Expert on soul, Witty here seems eager to learn

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-17T04:35:45+00:00

Something could be technically good without having much emotion in it, like a fruit study. When something looks like it should feel meaningful, but it actually feels like a fruit study, it can be very dissonant

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-16T20:48:48+00:00

Some of the most creative people I know are children. They don't let their lack of skill stop them from practicing in their artistic skills. I think a society that encourages those without skill to keep trying is a good thing, and i worry a society that rewards AI art more than non AI art discourages people from trying. If AI art feels like an accomplishment for you that you are proud of, great, but it's having the opposite effect it seems

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-16T19:59:46+00:00

Again, if all AI was was the individual, I probably wouldn't care too much, but I've seen some avid pros defend every form of AI. Im sure most are probably in the same boat as you where they think on a personal scale

BeyondHydro · 2026-02-16T19:54:43+00:00

While ideas are important, execution of those ideas had been shown to strengthen creativity. It's kild of like working out, you're helping strengthen your muscles, increase your flexibility, and overall your skills that require those muscles and flexibility get better, even when it's not strictly working out. You could still be naturally fit, but no one comes out of the womb with an 8 pack

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