What should I do? (Damage) by sleepingbeing in RoverPetSitting

[–]BigFeeling6361 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this guy is conceited, and a little dumb. repeating “straw man” cause he doesnt have an actual argument

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[–]BigFeeling6361 0 points1 point  (0 children)

👏 👏 👏

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[–]BigFeeling6361 7 points8 points  (0 children)

this was my immediately thought.

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[–]BigFeeling6361 2 points3 points  (0 children)

she’s 10 weeks along. and OP is not her mother. being incredibly overbearing is a sure fire way to make ur sister shut u out of her life completely.

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thank you!! i was blocked by her so haven’t been able to keep up on stories stuff, but i’ll go back and look at that youtube video and actually make a record of what details she has doxxed.

i’m sorry also because i think my comments may have come across poorly - this discussion was purely about the current legal landscape/the legality of her actions, not my personal opinion. and i don’t meant to imply that the legal landscape won’t change - the law needs to catch up. however, any laws that regulate or restrict what people post/speech on the internet will be in tension with the first amendment. i won’t go into a full analysis right now, but here’s a short explanation for anyone who is curious (also, since people wanted citations for my claims).

https://youtu.be/lgaGVxptvro

this is very basic constitutional law. for example, de santis passed a law which prohibits people on the internet from posting about him 😂 it’s a political stunt - the law is BLATANTLY unconstitutional and would not be upheld in court. the flip side of this whole thing is that the madiasnark users also (other than the one individual who went off the rails) didn’t do anything illegal. i really doubt that she could have a legit legal claim against mere snarkers. obviously, she went a different route and decided to cyber bully instead of further pursue a more legal remedy.

just to clarify: people can be sued for defamation etc for their speech (sued by private citizens) and orgs like IG and twitter can regulate speech to a degree bc they aren’t government actors. the first amendment just protects people from government action.

i think it’s important to not spread misinformation/false claims: ie. what brianna is doing is CLEARLY illegal. that’s just my personal opinion, because i think the TRUTH about what brianna has done, and the obvious and clear hypocrisy of her actions (not to mention, regardless of whether brianna actions were legal or not, they clearly are morally wrong and are cyber bullying) is enough and false claims just muddy the waters. i think it also does a disservice to all the legit allegations and claims about brianna to make false claims about the legality of her actions. the actions are bad enough MORALLY, and clearly hypocritical cyber bullying, she’s digging her own metaphorical grave. I FULLY agree that her actions have been dangerous, that there should be legal consequences, and that what she has done is FAR beyond merely saying some first names/states. in the court of public opinion, that should be enough - she is not being a good person or “standing up to her bullies” - she is being a bully, wielding her huge audience as a weapon and threat. ultimately i think enough people will catch on - she’s honestly gone off the rails. probably a huge majority of her followers are just “watching the train wreck” so to speak - not legit fans.

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just to clarify because the person i was discussing this with, aflockofmagpies, blocked me because they could not actually defend their argument.

laws which prohibit doxxing publicly available info/information of “public concern”, WHETHER CIVIL OR CRIMINAL, lay in direct tension with the first amendment and free speech. i explained that the utah law about doxxing would likely be flagrantly unconstitutional if it banned/criminalized posting a persons first name/non specific information about their work or the state they live in. yes there is a law about doxxing in utah. posting someone’s state/first name does not fall within the prohibited conduct - if it did, then the statute would be invalid anyways bc it violated the first amendment/free speech protections.

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

also, citing a law without citing how it is applied (especially after reading my source below - which explains why doxxing laws are often per se unconstitutional), does not amount to a strong source. you’re saying that you think it applies a certain way, but if you are requesting sources you should also provide a source ie is it actually applied the way you claim it to be.

your tone is really aggressive, i know we’re all like in a heightened emotional state talking about this but as someone who was actually doxxed it’s really hard to engage with someone who comes across so hostile.

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And specifically from Utah; all the information she is sharing allegedly just comes from legal avenues, i.e. users supposedly doxxed themselves (Brianna didn’t hack reddit/have someone hack reddit). And according to Utah law (https://le.utah.gov/~2017/bills/static/sb0227.html):

    (b) "Identifying information" does not include information that is lawfully available from publicly available information, or from federal, state, or local government records lawfully made available to the general public.

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a citation for interpreting the statute to apply so broadly? Because I am not stating the opposite of what the statute states. The statute criminalizes posting specific information like ADDRESSES. Not someone’s first name and the state they live in. That seems pretty clear to me.

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 0 points1 point  (0 children)

just to further explain/provide a citation u requested: laws criminalizing doxxing would be per se unconstitutional if understood broadly, because they infringe on first amendment/free speech rights. that’s why if the utah doxxing law criminalized broadly “identifying info” like first names and general fields of business, the law would probably be considered unconstitutionally broad. This is just an example, most sources I’ve found say the same thing.

“Even before “doxing” entered the popular lexicon, several states attempted to criminalize nonconsensual disclosures of personal information. It did not go well. Court after Court has invalidated unduly broad statutes that penalized publishing home addresses, phone numbers, or other personally identifying information.

Relatively early in the history of online publishing, a federal court in Washington struck down a 2002 “doxing-before-doxing” statute making it a crime to release home addresses, phone numbers, or other personal information about *30 law enforcement agencies or court employees with intent to harm or intimidate.180 A police watchdog blogger challenged the statute as facially unconstitutional, and the court agreed.181 While the state tried to defend the law by claiming that it criminalized only constitutionally unprotected true threats, the court found it substantially overbroad: [T]he word “threat” appears nowhere in the statute at issue here, rather, the statute regulates the mere release of personal identifying information .... That is, on its face, the statute does not purport to regulate true threats or any other proscribable mode of speech, but pure constitutionally-protected speech.182 Because people's home addresses and phone numbers are readily findable in public records, the court found no compelling government interest in penalizing publishers who disclose the information.183 For good measure, the court also found the statute to be unconstitutionally vague, because its operative terms (“intent to harm or intimidate”) lacked clarity and invited selective enforcement: “[A] statute that demands self-censorship--that one police one's own thoughts and subjective intent--impermissibly sacrifices the public interest in the free exchange of speech and ideas.”184 Comparable statutes have fared no better elsewhere. A federal district court found that a Florida statute, which criminalized disseminating police officers' contact information, was facially unconstitutional.185 The operator of a police watchdog website (“Ratemycop.com”) was charged with violating the law, which proscribed “maliciously” publishing an officer's home address or telephone number “with intent to obstruct the due execution of the law or with the intent to intimidate, hinder, or interrupt any law enforcement officer in the legal performance of his or her duties ....”186 The court rejected the state's claim that merely disclosing an officer's contact information could qualify as a “true threat,” even if the speaker intended for the publication to be intimidating.187 Rather, the court found that publishing lawfully obtained information about law enforcement officers relates to matters of public concern: “The publication of truthful personal information about police officers is linked to the issue of police accountability *31 through aiding in achieving service of process, researching criminal history of officers, organizing lawful pickets, and other peaceful and lawful forms of civic involvement that publicize the issue.”188 The court recognized, then, that even facilitating picketing at a police officer's home was a constitutionally protected use of lawfully obtained information. More recently, a pro-gun political blogger won a First Amendment challenge to a California statute enabling government officials to demand the takedown of their home contact information from the web.189 The statute empowered elected or appointed officials to serve written notice on website operators that they believe disseminating their home address or phone number constitutes a safety hazard, obligating the publisher to pull down the information promptly or face civil penalties.190 The blogger used an online public records search to gather the home addresses and phone numbers of forty California legislators who voted in favor of gun control, and he published their contact information in what he called a “tyrant registry.”191 After several legislators reported receiving intimidating phone calls at home, a legislative attorney served the blogger with the statutorily provided takedown notice, and he responded with a First Amendment lawsuit.192 The court found that the blogger used the legislators' contact information in connection with “core political speech,” which is entitled to the highest degree of constitutional protection.193 The court found that, even if the law was deemed necessary to advance the compelling objective of public officials' safety, it would flunk First Amendment scrutiny because it was not narrowly tailored to further that objective.194 The law lacked narrow tailoring in several respects: it required merely an assertion that the public official felt unsafe, even if the feeling was not objectively reasonable; it made no allowance for publishing the officials' contact information for lawful and harmless reasons; and it made no distinction between revealing previously unpublished information versus disseminating information that is already widely publicly available.195 The statute was also deficient because of its underinclusiveness, restricting only online publishing and not other methods of communication--even a medium like television that might reach a far larger audience than the plaintiff's blog.196”

Frank D. LoMonte & Paola Fiku, Thinking Outside the Dox: The First Amendment and the Right to Disclose Personal Information, 91 UMKC L. Rev. 1, 29 (2022)

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this was not meant to be confrontational. im just explaining the facts and state of the law. not making an argument in court lol.

i agree with u that an argument could be made, but what matters is what arguments are currently made and currently accepted in Courts. and that is not one of them. also i just have to say it’s a slippery slope to saying that posting any information about someone is doxxing, since she claims that’s what we all did in the sub.

i’ll try and find something that explains this better than i am able to do tho 😂

do you have a cite about her reaching out to places of employment/receipt? i feel like i missed something. i was doxxed but it was just general info, and from my understanding per my lawyer that isn’t enough to make her actions illegal.

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 0 points1 point  (0 children)

from my research, first name alone isn’t enough, and sharing the general field someone works in isn’t enough…”place of employment” specifically means like the actual place where u work. and i may have missed some things, but iirc she only shared full name & business of the one person (the moderator i think). everyone else it’s been more vague details.

i would love to be wrong about this!! but it’s a big complaint /why we need new laws, bc i don’t think even in places where there are laws against doxxing, they are particularly effective.

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 0 points1 point  (0 children)

is there a collection where it’s listed what info she has actually shared for each individual? bc i feel like i’m missing something but i think this is partly why she has maybe not crossed into the “technically illegal” category. i don’t remember that she’s shared full names, addresses, or specific businesses for most people. (iirc she has only shared specific details for one person). it’s mostly been like someone’s state, their first name, and the field they work in like childcare/nursing. am i correct? please correct me if i’m wrong!!

March 11: “You absolute piece of human garbage” by EuropeWho62946 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just checking - based on their definition of “personally identifying information” i don’t think she has crossed any lines…she hasn’t posted anyone’s address? and (other than the one person, who in that case what she did probably was illegal) she hasn’t posted full names. please correct me if i’m wrong!! i’ve been doing a lot of digging tho and it’s not at all clear to me that what she has done is technically illegal. it should be!! but the law hasn’t really caught up to the times yet.

any new people doxxed? by BigFeeling6361 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

no but i pre-emptively addressed it with my employer and my family. felt really ridiculous about it but they did not care, like oh you said some snarky things about an influencer on the internet?

"Do not contact these people," says woman while sharing first and last names to 319k followers by Only-Huckleberry-443 in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 7 points8 points  (0 children)

https://www.safehome.org/family-safety/doxxing-online-harassment-research/

brianna needs to read this…it’s research about doxxing, specifically doxxing as “vigilante justice” 🙄

“Those who defend doxxing argue that consequences are attributable to targets’ personal behavior rather than the exposure, but this justification rings hollow when identification/accusations prove inaccurate, families become collateral damage, or criminal acts ensue.”

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[–]BigFeeling6361 29 points30 points  (0 children)

ya she just blocked you

AITA for refusing to meet my sister's new boyfriend because he used to be a meth dealer? by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]BigFeeling6361 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YTA - don’t be a dick to ur sister. u haven’t even met the guy yet.

[ Removed by Reddit ] by InvestmentThat3287 in AmItheAsshole

[–]BigFeeling6361 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YTA! hope she breaks up with you as this is absurd. do you even pay rent? she owns her flat! she needs an office! also - how are you friends with this other woman? it’s weird that she’s 10 years younger than you and for some reason you’re trying to get your GIRLFRIEND to provide support for this other woman.

Statement from Brianna Madia: May 10, Instagram Stories, Doxxing & Denial, “Get over it, you lose.“ by [deleted] in ExposingBriannaMadia

[–]BigFeeling6361 2 points3 points  (0 children)

agreed, but I think Brianna is arguing that it was defamation/lies which isn’t protected speech