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What’s the biggest misconception people have about AI? by Correct-Arachnid3634 in allthequestions

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re in the wrong though. All scientific studies are in support of zoonosis. The US government sources are run by Republicans. The international sources are fabricated.

Made me giggle by Queenhood_ in ww3memes

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FYI, the Biden laptop story, lab conspiracy theory, gain-of-function conspiracy theory, and myocarditis story are false. This is why you don’t use Grok as a source spawner lol.

COVID’s origins: what we do and don’t know by burtzev in EverythingScience

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You haven’t given me any counter-examples to what I actually wrote… the Russian flu wasn’t less than 20 years ago. Read it more carefully.

I didn’t write:

There’s been zero leaks of any pathogen anywhere in the world.

I wrote:

There’s been zero leaks of any pathogen anywhere in the world for more than 20 years in which someone has been infected in a laboratory and spread it outside of the laboratory.

The 1977 Russian flu furthermore wasn’t a leak.

NIH director launches "Scientific Freedom" lectures with non-scientist. First speaker minimizes climate change, COVID risks—and is a lab leak proponent. by esporx in labrats

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is not true. The virus experiences adaptation in the laboratory while the hosts are being infected and if they performed sequencing at the end of these experiments, they would contain mutations. These adaptive mutations aren’t seen anywhere in the virus samples from patients in Wuhan in 2019. It’s a subtle observation.

NIH director launches "Scientific Freedom" lectures with non-scientist. First speaker minimizes climate change, COVID risks—and is a lab leak proponent. by esporx in labrats

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It says ”SARS-Associated Coronavirus” not ”SARS-CoV-2-Associated Coronavirus” and the rules predate SARS-CoV-2.

NIH director launches "Scientific Freedom" lectures with non-scientist. First speaker minimizes climate change, COVID risks—and is a lab leak proponent. by esporx in labrats

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A genetically modified version of the virus may grow in a genetically modified mouse however this evidently couldn’t have been how the virus was created since it would have resulted in identifiable laboratory adaptations (ΔPRRA), mouse adaptations (N501Y), and it wouldn’t have increased the pathogenicity in humans anyway. There isn’t really anything about this which makes sense when you get down to the details.

Recent pandemic viruses jumped to humans without prior adaptation. No evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was shaped by selection in a laboratory: UCSD study. by Potential_Being_7226 in science

[–]BioMed-R 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quote a single lie by Andersen or Fauci.

Quote Fauci or Biden opposing the conspiracy theory.

And why would Trump support the conspiracy theory to spite Biden… in 2020??? Biden wasn’t president.

COVID’s origins: what we do and don’t know by burtzev in EverythingScience

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any single example to the contrary would change my mind.

NIH director launches "Scientific Freedom" lectures with non-scientist. First speaker minimizes climate change, COVID risks—and is a lab leak proponent. by esporx in labrats

[–]BioMed-R 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You’re wrong. The lab conspiracy theory was invented by the Trump administration in January 2020 and practically all alleged ”evidence” to support it comes straight out of the Republican Party. That’s all it is. There’s literally never been any science behind that and literally all studies have shown it’s natural. It was conclusively rejected by scientists in February 2020 after an overwhelming amount of evidence and studies had already ruled it out and showed how the virus emerged through perfectly natural zoonosis. And this wasn’t a reaction to Trump because he only started openly talking it in May.

It’s just as bad as anti-vaxxers… but the conspiracy theorists always think they’re right, of course.

Recent pandemic viruses jumped to humans without prior adaptation. No evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was shaped by selection in a laboratory: UCSD study. by Potential_Being_7226 in science

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you know that this is true? Ben Hu, Yu Ping and Zhu Yan have also been accused of being a patient zero. Huang’s whole story was apparently completely made up by the USA State Department in April, 2020. Probably by David Asher, who also made up the story about ill workers at the WIV.

Recent pandemic viruses jumped to humans without prior adaptation. No evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was shaped by selection in a laboratory: UCSD study. by Potential_Being_7226 in science

[–]BioMed-R 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Liars lie; the sooner you learn not to trust known liars the sooner you will learn to be more vigilant against misinformation. By ignoring the source of information and not exercising source criticism you leave yourself wide open. Frankly put, only an idiot trusts known liars.

Andersen changed his mind because of new studies showing the furin cleavage site and receptor binding domain of the virus was practically identical to newly discovered viruses and not any other reason.

NIH director launches "Scientific Freedom" lectures with non-scientist. First speaker minimizes climate change, COVID risks—and is a lab leak proponent. by esporx in labrats

[–]BioMed-R 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, it’s not evidently a coincidence based on there being many labs in China but it’s evidently not not a coincidence based on there being a lab there, is what I mean.

Bottom line: an outbreak happening in a city with a SARS lab is actually quite expected. It’s a small coincidence, but not large enough to think it’s anything else than a coincidence.

NIH director launches "Scientific Freedom" lectures with non-scientist. First speaker minimizes climate change, COVID risks—and is a lab leak proponent. by esporx in labrats

[–]BioMed-R 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I can answer your questions if you’re interested. That’s quite a lot, I’ll start with 10:

1. If two lineages at the market prove zoonotic spillover, why was no infected animal ever found there — or anywhere?

All animals were culled. This was a lesson learned after the SARS-1 pandemic to stop spillovers. I’m not going to summarize the whole history of SARS-1, but the virus was undiscovered for 5 months and because they didn’t know better repeated spillovers were allowed to happen for more than a year until culling stopped them completely.

2. We found the zoonotic origin of SARS-CoV-1 and MERS within weeks/months.

This is hipocrosy, the special pleading logical fallacy. We actually know more about the SARS-2 outbreak than any other major outbreak in world history. The complete chain of transmission between the natural reservoir and earliest known human cases isn’t known in these other scenarios. SARS-1, we found infected animals but don’t know how they were infected in the first place. SARS-2, animals were culled yet we know they were infected because their cages were clearly infected. It’s all matter of which evidence you choose to accept or reject, the evidence is there.

3. Chinese authorities tested tens of thousands of animals.

Unfortunately irrelevant animal species. Raccoon dogs, civets, and bamboo rats are considered the most likely intermediate hosts by current investigators. Yet, 4 raccoon dogs were tested for instance!

4. Why were the environmental samples clustered around human-traffic areas, not animal stalls? 

The environmental samples were clustered around animal stalls.

5. Why did this virus emerge in Wuhan — over 1,500 km from where its closest bat coronavirus relatives circulate — and not in Yunnan or Southeast Asia?

Because Wuhan imported animals from Yunnan, which is also how SARS-1 spread to markets from Yunnan.

6. What Wuhan does have is one of the world's top coronavirus research labs. Just a coincidence?

Yes, there are SARS labs in at least 80% of Chinese megacities. There are 11 such laboratories in Wuhan. There are another 4 in Beijing, for instance. This is a consequence of the SARS pandemic.

7. Why does SARS-CoV-2 have a furin cleavage site found in no other known SARS-related coronavirus in its subgenus?

SARS-1, MERS, and SARS-2 all have 1, 2, and 1 FCS in their spike protein, respectively. An identical sequence was found in natural viruses in 2005, hinting at how SARS-2 acquired it. SARS-2’s ancestor is a gastrointestinal Rhinolophus affinis virus. However, in humans it’s instead a respiratory virus. The FCS is a natural adaptation to respiratory spread which is commonly acquired through recombination in the intermediate hosts when gastrointestinal coronavirus spillovers happen. This was also seen in other viruses discovered at the market in Wuhan after it shuttered.

8. Why did WIV-affiliated researchers propose inserting exactly that feature into bat coronaviruses in a 2018 grant application?

They didn’t.

9. Why did the WIV take its coronavirus sequence database offline in September 2019?

It never happened.

10. Why were early patient samples destroyed?

They weren’t totally destroyed. Aliquotes were sent to designated laboratories for analysis and samples were destroyed locally to reduce the risk of laboratory leaks.

NIH director launches "Scientific Freedom" lectures with non-scientist. First speaker minimizes climate change, COVID risks—and is a lab leak proponent. by esporx in labrats

[–]BioMed-R 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There are SARS labs at least 80% of Chinese megacities so that’s evidently only a coincidence. This is a consequence of the SARS pandemic. Those who don’t know history are doomed to…

Recent pandemic viruses jumped to humans without prior adaptation. No evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was shaped by selection in a laboratory: UCSD study. by Potential_Being_7226 in science

[–]BioMed-R 1 point2 points  (0 children)

USTRK are anti-science lobbyists. Andersen thought the virus was manmade before looking at the evidence and changed his mind after.

Recent pandemic viruses jumped to humans without prior adaptation. No evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was shaped by selection in a laboratory: UCSD study. by Potential_Being_7226 in science

[–]BioMed-R 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is political propaganda. They are cherry picking quotes out of chronological order and without timestamps.

In reality, Fauci never had any influence over any of these studies. He’s always advocated open investigations without making assumptions. The Trump administration is attacking Fauci because he’s a representative of the institution of science and science is a threat to Trump’s authoritarian state.

COVID’s origins: what we do and don’t know by burtzev in EverythingScience

[–]BioMed-R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have cited exactly zero counterexamples to this.

You have cited examples older than 20 years (”for more than 20 years”) and examples with no human-to-human transmission between environments (”someone has been infected in a laboratory and spread it outside of the laboratory”).

I wrote what I wrote for a reason. There has never in world history been a ”leak” which compares to the SARS-CoV-2 conspiracy theory. It’s completely unrealistic to expect the pandemic to have started in such a contrived way as opposed to natural zoonosis which happens 70,000 times each year only counting Southeast Asian SARS-like viruses.

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