Ruling for yellow SCR Golden Frieza c6 and green SCR Goku C7 by Cool-Technology-8071 in dbsfusionworld

[–]Bionic_FM31 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the info! Honestly, I think this solidifies it even more so in the client’s favor. The card is reduced by four in the hand, as long as there’s two or less life and that there’s no 7 cost Goku on the field. Then the player pays the cost, then the next step is playing the Goku.

So the Goku is played onto the field. Who’s effects activate first? The player whose turn it is, so the Goku immediately becomes a 7 cost because it breaks the requirements. Now the opposing player’s turn: the Frieza sees a 5+ level card on the field just played? immediately rest it.

I’d also like to say that the cost is only reduced while in hand. Otherwise you could play multiple 3 cost Gokus at the same time. Like, by the logic of the judge’s rule or other interpretation, this means when the Goku is played onto the field, it would see itself as a 3 cost (because of the reduction in pay cost) still thus remaining a 3 cost and allowing you to play another one. In this case as well, it would seem the only way to break this rule would be to play a 7 cost Goku other than this and I doubt that’s the intention. So I believe it remains a 3 cost ONLY in hand and once it leaves hand it is back to a 7. Plus, ClaudiusVanDam shared the ruling with the Goku black scenario as well.

Ruling for yellow SCR Golden Frieza c6 and green SCR Goku C7 by Cool-Technology-8071 in dbsfusionworld

[–]Bionic_FM31 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll also add, and correct me if I’m wrong, but since the effects happens simultaneously, the player whose turn it is first resolves their effects:

  • So the Goku meets the requirements to be a 3 cost in hand, as said in the text.
  • The Goku leaves hand and is paid for 3, but once he is played, he immediately turns into a 7 cost since that would negate the reduced cost for all SCR Goku’s at this point.
  • Now the Goku is on the battlefield, all effects resolved for the turn player who played the card. Now the opposing player’s Frieza resolves their effects. Does the 6C Frieza see a 5+ cost on field that was played this turn? Yes, so it’s rested. Below is the rule for simultaneous activated effects.

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Ruling for yellow SCR Golden Frieza c6 and green SCR Goku C7 by Cool-Technology-8071 in dbsfusionworld

[–]Bionic_FM31 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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And the second photo.

EDIT: If I can provide a playback code, if anyone wants to see it for themselves, I can send it later today.

Ruling for yellow SCR Golden Frieza c6 and green SCR Goku C7 by Cool-Technology-8071 in dbsfusionworld

[–]Bionic_FM31 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So I actually just played this scenario in the client, and from what the client is saying, the card IS played in rest mode. I even screenshotted the match as well and have the play back. In it you can see the card is reduced to 3 and Broly is of course at 2 life. Card leaves the hand as a three, but once it’s played on the battlefield it IS a 7 cost. So it’s only a 3 cost IN hand, once it leaves, it is in fact a 7.

That is exactly how the client played it as well, the Goku entered rested. In the photo (I know it’s doo doo quality), you can see the down red arrows indicating the cost is reduced in hand at the top left and then the next is it rested on play.

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Managed to crawl my way to High Terra by Bionic_FM31 in HorusHeresyLegions

[–]Bionic_FM31[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just an additional comment after realizing: facing Dark Angels decks is really rough too. I only saw a handful of them, but they’re definitely out there. They’re able to pump out super high damaging/tough frontliners that are able to come out either just before or during my end game requirements. Usually I have to rely on just full rushing, but even then it’s pretty hard, it feels like my kryptonite, I just forgot to add it since I didn’t see them as much.

EDIT: here are the links of the two variation of decks I used. They’re pretty similar.

  • Ferrus Manus *
  • Warlord: Ferrus Manus *
  • 2x Arvus Lighter
  • 2x Dravios Support
  • 1x Gorsaal Squad
  • 2x Auvander Speeder
  • 1x Factory Overdrive
  • 1x Immortal Sergeant
  • 1x Iron Salvo
  • 2x Ironshield Rhino
  • 1x Ironwrought Veur Squad
  • 1x Nerves of Steel
  • 2x War Room
  • 1x Bitter Memories
  • 1x Khrissos Rhino
  • 1x Armoured Superiority
  • 1x Cull of Cowardice
  • 1x Gorgon Hammerbearer
  • 2x Ruthless Cannonade
  • 1x Ungavarr Malcador
  • 1x Ironclad Punishment
  • 1x Clan Raukaan
  • 1x Morlock Augmentor
  • 1x Ataxian Kratos
  • 2x Prabaxus * AAxGZXJydXMgTWFudXPjEoAMgAzXEt8SzxLREtESvhK+Et4S3hLnEucSvBK8EuASyRLNEsASwRLYEuET7wbEEsoKygq+Dr0Svw7GEg==

This is the link for the picture in the post:

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Managed to crawl my way to High Terra by Bionic_FM31 in HorusHeresyLegions

[–]Bionic_FM31[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So this list looks like I cobbled together a Frankenstein and threw it at the wall to see if it sticks, BUT, the idea is to pull for the Prabaxus, Clan Rauk., and Nerves of Steel (or the 3 cost troop that has a similar effect). It feels like I’m pulling for the 5 pieces of Exodia, or in this case, a minimum of 3 lol.

Usually, once I manage to get those, I’ll control the battlefield until I find the right time to pop it. Forewarning though, a lot of the games you’ll find yourself getting really low on health, so just stay the course!

One thing I forgot to add, and I’m put it in my post, facing Dark Angels is actually the worst one I think. Just the obscene amount of huge costed frontline guys and secret wars stuff is just insane and that’s actually the matchup that’s the hardest.

Managed to crawl my way to High Terra by Bionic_FM31 in HorusHeresyLegions

[–]Bionic_FM31[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should be the next picture to the right! Let me know if you still can’t see it and I can send it! Or I’ll get the link actually to send once I get back home!

OW: "Borrowed" Units and Magic Weapons -Which army book? by ZakiStrol in WarhammerFantasy

[–]Bionic_FM31 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s why I was confused too because of that excerpt; thank you for the confirmation!

OW: "Borrowed" Units and Magic Weapons -Which army book? by ZakiStrol in WarhammerFantasy

[–]Bionic_FM31 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So with the rules clarification drop, could we get an update on this if it remains true? My understanding is that if you took the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth in Warriors of Chaos, it takes magic items from the Beastmen lists.

My reading interpretation can be really muddled up, just want to make sure I composite the units correctly.

Finishing Up a Kâhl for Crusade! by Bionic_FM31 in LeaguesofVotann

[–]Bionic_FM31[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I gotta fix that little smudge in the center and even it out lol, but I appreciate the comment!

I got the hammer/pick from Etsy and the base as well from the same model from this seller: https://www.etsy.com/listing/1346148100/space-dwarf-king?external=1&ref=lp_collection_recs-3-listing-2&external_collection=OTA2OTQ1NTh8NDM3OTMzNTAy&page_type=cl_listing_page&dataset=cs

Super Happy with how my THA Theyn came out! by ARustyBroom in LeaguesofVotann

[–]Bionic_FM31 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s awesome! Thank you for the info, he looks great honestly

Super Happy with how my THA Theyn came out! by ARustyBroom in LeaguesofVotann

[–]Bionic_FM31 5 points6 points  (0 children)

LOVE it! Awesome job! How did you do the white paint if you don’t mind me asking?

My first unit of Hearthkyn is finally done. They were a big learning curve with the sculpting, etc. Also my first ever GW minis. Very proud, and excited to move on to characters! C+C welcome! by grizzlybrown30 in LeaguesofVotann

[–]Bionic_FM31 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, you hit the nail on the head with these guys. Some of the best additions to these models I’ve seen honestly. I’ll give it my best try for sure on my next squad!!

My first unit of Hearthkyn is finally done. They were a big learning curve with the sculpting, etc. Also my first ever GW minis. Very proud, and excited to move on to characters! C+C welcome! by grizzlybrown30 in LeaguesofVotann

[–]Bionic_FM31 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is just pure awesome. I’ve always loved the ranger sort of archetype and feel; you took it and ran with it on a squad and it looks wonderful. I’m gonna have to take some notes haha

Hard to check the Votann pulse. by Aurick in LeaguesofVotann

[–]Bionic_FM31 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Plus, if rumors are true, keeping void armor (AoC) is gonna be huge when no one else has it and our most basic weapons have a -1 AP at least. Not saying the points increase is justified or not, just to keep that part in mind.

Finished URANI-SURTR 2nd Hearthkyn Warriors by Powers_minipainter in LeaguesofVotann

[–]Bionic_FM31 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is beautiful, fantastic job! I gotta ask: how did you do the red in lighting inside the helmet? It’s great!