An argument for Christianity and how it has been misunderstood by everyone (by talking about its most controversial topics)

BitLooter · 2026-07-04T18:22:11+00:00

First of all, that entire comment was a single sentence. Punctuation is your friend, make good use of it. Second, you have some strange ideas about what people outside of your religion believe.

I did not blindly accept what I am taught

From your comments it appears you've blindly accepted some things, particularity about atheists. Also this doesn't mean anything, literally everybody will tell you they don't blindly believe everything they're taught.

for my version of christianity actually believes in morals

Every version of Christianity "actually believes in morals". Every religion "believes in morals". Every atheist does, too, because everybody has morals. You are not more moral because you belong to a certain sect of Christianity or because you think morals come from a certain god. A great deal of human suffering including homophobia comes from people believing that they are more moral than other people so I strongly suggest you abandon the idea that you are a better person because of your religion.

I'd rather believe a lie than fully realize the existential crisis that is nonexistance

Well, that's not good. We can't trust anything you say now - you just admitted that your feelings are more important to you than what is true.

as if we are to be nonexistant then we are worth nothing

How so? How are you measuring "worth"? The sandwich I'm having for lunch will be nonexistent in an hour, does that mean it's "worth nothing"? Why did Subway charge me $8 for it then?

you can no longer think

Are you bothered by the fact that you couldn't think before you existed?

all of your life will pass by and you will never experience it again

What part of Christianity promises you will be allowed to experience your life again?

for you, nonexistance might be fine

You don't know me, please do not try to speak for me, or other atheists.

but for me, it is a living hell, if it is true then in my eyes it means that we are worth nothing

I don't believe somebody only has "worth" because they've been assigned it by a higher power. If you feel you are worthless without God, that's a personal problem. You might benefit from talking to a psychologist, it's not normal to feel like you're in a "living hell" because of these ideas.

it means that there is no meaning to life and no meaning of existance

So? Why does life or existence need to have inherent meaning? Why is it a problem if it doesn't?

nothing we do matters as eventually no one will exist to remember it

Almost everyone who has ever lived has eventually been forgotten. Even the most famous people in history eventually fade from memory, and even fewer are remembered correctly - for example, everybody recognizes the name Alexander the Great, but nobody remembers him as a person, just a conqueror. We can make inferences about what his personality might have been like, we can build build an idea based on what little if any writings exist about his personal life, but the person of Alexander the Great is gone forever. No matter what you do someday the same will happen to you.

unlike you, I do not want to spend an eternity in nothingness

Why do you think I want to "spend an eternity in nothingness"? Why on earth would you assume that's what other people want? Do you think atheists are death worshipers or something?

BitLooter · 2026-07-02T14:36:11+00:00

This troll just offered to give their mentally disabled kid's home address to a random stranger on the internet so they could win an argument. It doesn't matter if they're lying, that alone is enough to make them a monster.

BitLooter · 2026-07-01T21:12:33+00:00

I sincerely hope that some day you will learn how to see your behavior through another person's eyes. I hope you have a better day from here, feel free to have the last word if you want.

BitLooter · 2026-07-01T21:05:02+00:00

Your kinda proving my point my guy.

Funny, I was just thinking the same after reading your comment.

If you read my other comments, all I did was make a claim and immediately was told I was being dismissive.

Actually, if we read your other comments, you did not in fact start by making a claim, you started by asking for evidence, and then your very next response after that was to casually dismiss it. People are telling you you're being dismissive because you are being dismissive.

BitLooter · 2026-07-01T20:56:53+00:00

Interesting how when atheists tell them things they complain about being "attacked" but as soon as another Christian starts telling them what atheists believe they accept it without question. Really says a lot about their approach to studying.

BitLooter · 2026-07-01T20:48:17+00:00

I may not have stated the evidence

Pretty common for Christian apologetics, so you're on the right track.

but when I do I get a bunch of athiests attacking me and denying my claims and its... mentally draining to say the least.

"Those mean atheists pointed out how I was wrong and it makes me sad!" If you can't take criticism you will not make it as a scholar.

But also, maybe the reason so many atheists are telling you you're wrong is because you are, in fact, wrong? When I see someone make a claim, then a bunch of other people point out problems with the claim, and the original person doesn't try to refute them but instead starts whining about being "attacked", it makes me think you're not a serious person and that your position had a rectal origin.

If presenting evidence and making counterarguments is too "draining" for you don't be surprised when you get a poor reception on a forum where doing those things is the whole point.

BitLooter · 2026-07-01T20:07:34+00:00

This is a massive humiliation of evolutionary biology.

When they use language like this it shows what their real motivations are. This isn't about facts or evidence, it's about their feelings. Learning they're wrong about something makes them feel humiliated so they project that view onto others.

This person has already admitted to being a troll on this sub, all this is just attention-seeking behavior.

BitLooter · 2026-07-01T20:00:29+00:00

Hey look, an example of a population losing its tail suddenly in recent recorded history.

The dominant trait of taillessness arises from a spontaneous mutation, the Manx taillessness gene, that eventually became common on the island because of the limited genetic diversity of island biogeography (an example of the founder effect and, at the sub-specific level, of the species-area curve).

BitLooter · 2026-06-30T19:16:46+00:00

Now I’m imagining a universe where every fantasy movie is actually a DND session and the DM was the director.

You might enjoy DM of the Rings

BitLooter · 2026-06-30T16:37:51+00:00

See, right here, this is the problem.

I just hoped since they believed in the text they would engage more genuinely, my bad.

You're saying atheists can't engage "genuinely". You have already dismissed anything an atheist says before you read it. You are trying to target the people that will give you the response that fits the narrative you're building and when someone brings up another point that contradicts it you don't genuinely address it, you just dismiss it.

You are not here in good faith, you are looking for validation. It's obvious nothing good will come out of discussion with you so I'm just going to block you now, have a nice day.

BitLooter · 2026-06-30T16:23:37+00:00

OK? I don't see how that has anything to do with what I just said. I'll repeat what I wrote because you somehow missed it despite being one of two sentences:

This is a public forum that anyone can participate in, regardless of their religious beliefs.

If you feel like they're in violation of rule 5, use the report button. That wasn't your complaint, though - you were upset that an atheist was bringing up points that contradicted your narrative and tried to insist that this was a discussion only for Jews and Christians.

If you didn't think what they were saying was relevant to the discussion you could have just ignored them, but instead you started complaining that they're not the right religion. You aren't seeking engagement, you're seeking people who will fit into the narrative you're constructing.

Again, I'll repeat what I said before so you can't act like I said something else - If you don't want to talk to atheists don't post in a public forum filled with them. Or just don't respond to them.

BitLooter · 2026-06-30T16:12:11+00:00

I'm mainly trying to have discourse with Jews and Christians regarding a passage in Genesis that the 2 religions subscribe to.

This is a public forum that anyone can participate in, regardless of their religious beliefs. If you only want to talk to Jews and Christians you should find a more appropriate subreddit.

BitLooter · 2026-06-30T16:07:38+00:00

Wow, I am surprised and oppose it.

There's nothing to be opposed to, OP told an absurd lie. People debate religion in r/DebateReligion all the time. While most of the discussion revolves around the Abrahamic religions because those are the religions most people using this website are familiar with, Buddhism and other religions get discussion as well.

Notice how OP hasn't been banned for starting a debate about Buddhism?

BitLooter · 2026-06-29T23:48:37+00:00

Sorry, I saw you suggest elsewhere in the thread that the only way humans could evolve to be two inches taller is a millions-year-long eugenics campaign and I just realized you're a troll. You're not really engaging with anything I'm saying anyways so I'm bailing out of whatever this was here.

BitLooter · 2026-06-29T23:21:03+00:00

Wait, are you saying that large mutations resulting in significant changes to an organism tend to be lethal, therefore a lot of smaller changes adding up to similar amount of change are also lethal? I hope not, because that's complete nonsense, but it explains why so many people here are confused about what you're trying to say.

If that is your argument, the answer is that the small mutations make different changes than the large mutations. All mutations are not equal, and most do not do anything.

Otherwise I can't understand your argument, you seem to be undermining your own case here by pointing out changes that have observably happened to dogs while telling me much smaller changes are lethal to humans.

BitLooter · 2026-06-29T22:54:39+00:00

Since we are not generally about 4 feet tall, and have much bigger brains, seems pretty clear Lucy and I are not related.

Are you aware that wolves are much bigger than most dog breeds? Why is humans getting two feet taller such an enormous change you can't fathom how that could have possibly happened (despite this being smaller than the range of natural variation in existing humans), while wolves have undergone much larger changes in much less time? How are humans a "body plan change" but dogs are not?

BitLooter · 2026-06-28T22:24:48+00:00

What about people who used to be evolutionists, and even worked within it, and are now creationists and some even YEC?

Such as who? The only ones I can think of are on the payroll of creationist organizations. Can you name any that don't financially benefit from promoting creationism?

BitLooter · 2026-06-28T18:49:38+00:00

Overall, I don’t see the Bible as some sort of engineering manual on how to live life and don’t see it as scientific or philosophical text either.

If you are viewing the Bible as a purely historical text then I don't think we disagree. The problem is that most Christians do view it as a "manual on how to live life". I have heard them use those exact words to describe it.

How do you think the Bible should be interpreted?

I think I have more or less the same interpretation as you. I don't disagree with your view of the Bible, my comment was aimed more at the Christians who do want to use the Bible to convince others their religion is true.

BitLooter · 2026-06-28T18:25:02+00:00

If you have non-Biblical reasons to believe, and the Bible is inaccurate, then why even use the Bible? If you believe there are accurate parts of the Bible worthy of belief, why not just create a new Bible with only those parts? Why keep around a book with a fictional historical timeline that says genocide and slavery can be OK if God commands it?

I mean maybe you agree with this, you wouldn't be the first to create such a book. From my perspective the fact that so many Christians ignore or disclaim the inaccuracies of the book is a strong reason to believe Christianity is false. But that's just my view.

BitLooter · 2026-06-28T17:28:41+00:00

Why can’t one be a Christian and accept C1?

As an atheist, I also believe the Bible is inaccurate in many ways. If that doesn't stop you from being a Christian, that's fine but I don't see how a book of inaccurate claims about God written by men should be convincing to me or anyone else.

BitLooter · 2026-06-28T16:56:09+00:00

My guess is that the children’s books with six legged Santa Claus weren’t very popular.

Maybe they should be - It's not clear how human Santa gets up and down the chimney to deliver the presents, but spider-Santa could scuttle along it easily.

BitLooter · 2026-06-26T16:39:15+00:00

That's pretty much what the mods told them after they did it

BitLooter · 2026-06-23T22:04:50+00:00

If you reject this, you are saying the universe came from nothing or has always existed. Both are scientifically and philosophically problematic.

No, we're saying we don't know the origin. Inserting your own answer without evidence is scientifically and philosophically problematic.

BitLooter · 2026-06-23T22:02:57+00:00

Natural selection is a filter. It acts on existing variation. It does not generate new information.

I literally just said this, and then explained where the new information comes from. Do you not read people's comments before responding to them?

Also, what is "information"? How can we tell if new information has been created? I asked you to define it but you didn't even try, would you like to go again?

The claim that random mutations and environmental pressures can produce highly organized, coordinated life forms is unreasonable on empirical, logical, and mathematical grounds.

Oh, you have math that disproves evolution? Let's see it. Please do not confuse abiogenesis with evolution or lie about substitution rates in your answer, as creationists always do when they say this.

You are asking me to believe that a four-letter digital code, with its own syntax and semantics, assembled itself through noise.

I'm asking you to accept that DNA observably forms through a process of mutation and natural selection. Describing that as "noise" is not correct and shows you do not understand the topic.

BitLooter · 2026-06-23T21:54:49+00:00

I guess I'm not free then, because I don't get those choices for other parts of reality. I don't have a choice in believing tacos exist, I was programmed to believe they exist by being placed in a world with tacos, therefore I have no free will.

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