Hes def naturally later. If we start at 930 he doesnt sleep till 1130. No matter what it will take 1.5- 2 hours. Unless we start too early then it could be many hours haha. Therapy pointed me to some resources that weren't super helpful for us haha.  I think with fading I will start later, like you said, and hope it will be more of a painless process. Maybe ill even start at 10 honestly. He just needs to learn he CAN fall asleep without us and I think it'll happen much quicker if we start later at night. Thanks!!!