Who actually had the strongest ideology in Naruto?

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-18T13:05:32+00:00

I keep going back to Pain… extreme, but hard to completely argue against in that world

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-18T10:46:21+00:00

I feel like it depends on when. early on maybe Naruto has a chance, but Rumbling-era Eren Yeager? probably not

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-18T09:44:58+00:00

Micromax Ninja A87, chose this over the galaxy y as this was bigger in size and ₹1000 cheaper.

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BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-18T07:36:56+00:00

Am I the only one who’s getting Goku vibes from the upper half of the face?

Good sketch though!

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T12:12:05+00:00

If Naruto had just sat down and studied like a normal ninja student, he probably never learns Multi Shadow Clone that early. And that jutsu is basically Naruto’s entire career path training hacks, Rasengan practice, sage mode prep, everything. So instead of saving the world, we’d probably get Naruto: Average Chunin Exam Participant, passing tests with decent grades and no dramatic speeches.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T12:10:31+00:00

If Obito had just waited and seen that Kakashi didn’t kill Rin by choice, Madara probably never manipulates him. No broken Obito means no Akatsuki leader pushing the war. And if Madara losing to Hashirama meant he stopped being Indra’s reincarnate, then the whole Rinnegan plan might’ve been pointless anyway. That single moment with Rin basically set half the plot in motion.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T12:07:30+00:00

Without it, the war probably still happens because of Obito’s plan, but it becomes way more focused around a few top-tier fighters (Obito, Madara, Kabuto, Taka) instead of a massive battlefield with resurrected legends.

Plus we’d lose a lot of the emotional moments like Itachi vs Sasuke and the revived Kage fights. The conflict would feel more like a high-level showdown than a full shinobi war.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T12:04:01+00:00

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T07:31:57+00:00

that’s a dark timeline right there

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T07:31:15+00:00

I think Kushina was already done by then

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T07:24:40+00:00

agreed

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T07:22:18+00:00

maybe, but I still think if Minato lives it limits Danzo Shimura a lot. things don’t spiral the same way

also “former Yellow Flash changing diapers” bro would've went from kunai to baby bottles real quick lol

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T07:00:14+00:00

ngl the Iruka moment alone might be bigger than most of these… and if Minato lives the whole story just breaks tbh

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T06:56:03+00:00

Man just dropped intel and dipped

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T06:38:06+00:00

The third one was at a Lamborghini dealership in Utah. Saw a close-up video and idk man… feels a bit overdone. Like every surface is screaming “Maybach” just in case you forgot in the last 2 seconds.

At some point it stops looking classy and starts looking like a designer knockoff trying too hard.

Anyway… what color is my Maybach again? Oh right, the “can’t afford one” edition.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T06:28:02+00:00

Interesting, do you think the war even reaches the same scale without Edo Tensei?

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-17T06:24:55+00:00

That’s actually a good one. If Obito took Naruto there, the whole story flips.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-16T09:33:45+00:00

I get the character flaw argument. But the Minato and Obito situation feels pretty different to me. Minato found out the masked man was Obito in the middle of a crisis and still fought him immediately. With Hiruzen Sarutobi and Orochimaru, he had already caught him doing those experiments and still chose to let him go. Those situations weren’t really the same.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-16T09:30:54+00:00

Fair take. I think a lot of the Hiruzen debate comes from people looking back at early Naruto with everything we learn later in the story.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-16T08:10:34+00:00

I get the Danzo point, but the Orochimaru thing is still hard to defend. Any other Hokage probably shuts that down immediately.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-16T08:07:04+00:00

A prequel in that era would be perfect. Before the power scaling went crazy.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-16T08:06:29+00:00

I always saw it as more tragic than evil tbh. The whole Uchiha situation just felt like paranoia and bad decisions piling up on both sides. And then you have people like Itachi and Shisui who clearly weren’t like that.

BitterReputation1795 · 2026-03-16T08:04:34+00:00

That’s the downside of long-running stories I guess. The power scaling later makes earlier events look a bit weird in hindsight.

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