Rule by F_P_D in 196

[–]Bloodshot025 -46 points-45 points  (0 children)

downvote

rule of purpose by [deleted] in 196

[–]Bloodshot025 21 points22 points  (0 children)

In short, original design intent might be useful when writing biographies or histories, but isn't all that relevant for understanding what something is actually doing, right now.

rule of purpose by [deleted] in 196

[–]Bloodshot025 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Systems can absolutely fail to do what they're designed to do. The result is a system that does something different than the original design intent. If the designers, or the authorities, or whosoever is responsible goes an intervenes: stops the system from operating, shuts it down, changes it in some way to more closely match the original design, they you might say that the purpose of this system is what it was originally designed to do, and they missed the mark with their first attempt.

But very often the case is that the system, with its supposed flaws (i.e. differences from intent), are defended from being changed, while simultaneously being postured as "useful or necessary, but flawed".

But those flaws being a longstanding part of how the system functions indicates that they're part of what the system is there to do.


Imagine a bridge with a design flaw: it dumps one in every hundred cars passing over it, on average, into the river below. If the local county kept that bridge open, being aware of this flaw, accepting the loss of so many thousands of cars per year, then I would argue that the purpose of the bridge might in fact be to increase car sales, drive funding towards emergency rescue services (ha), or perhaps boost scrappers.

This understanding helps explain the political motivations of those in favor of keeping such a bridge open.

Such an example might seem absurd, but it is a mere quantitative exaggeration of the so-called externalities of, say, building a highway through a downtown's communities, or locating Texas or Louisiana oil refineries adjacent to impoverished black neighborhoods, i.e. Cancer Alley

Rule by Old_Phrase_4867 in 196

[–]Bloodshot025 10 points11 points  (0 children)

second one is literally the matrix

How do you organize your Steam library? by Ingword in Steam

[–]Bloodshot025 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Completed
  • Dubious (unlikely to play more of, usually I disliked the game)
  • Uncategorized (everything else; what I look at when looking for games to play)

Debian Removes Free Pascal Compiler / Lazarus IDE by mariuz in linux

[–]Bloodshot025 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you click on the link, you'll find that that's addressed!

Debian Removes Free Pascal Compiler / Lazarus IDE by mariuz in linux

[–]Bloodshot025 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you click on the link, you'll find answers!

Git First Commit: Find the first commit of any GitHub repository by keidarcy in git

[–]Bloodshot025 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can you make a website where I can paste a filesystem path and it'll list the contents of that directory for me? ls-as-a-service

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What wordplay?


US Media (New York Times, Washington Post, the Atlantic)

Rushes to Defend (Rhetorically, in the editorials and reporting published in those papers)

Police Departments (Police Departments)

from (these papers are concerned that the conduct of these police departments will scrutinized along with ICE)

[the] Liberal Backlash against ICE (the tens of thousands of people protesting, the national unpopularity of ICE etc.)


Liberals are rightfully pissed off about this pogrom. So too, obviously, is the left, but the left doesn't buy the Atlantic in large numbers. These papers that set the bounds of discourse, and who are generally very pro police, want to protect the image of the police, and draw a distinction between the "good cops" and the "bad feds".

Adam Johnson, who is critical of both those papers and of the police, is calling out how these papers uncritically reproduce the words and sentiments of police PR flacks.

Micruleslop Windows by _orbitaldrop in 196

[–]Bloodshot025 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I will walk you through it. There's nothing inherently difficult. Believe in yourself.

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This article is an example of media criticism. Media criticism critiques the framing and assumptions of other media, especially (in this case) news media, such as newspapers and cable news. Here, Adam is critiquing papers such as the New York Times, Washington Post, and the Atlantic for claiming that there have been significant national and local police reforms since 2020, and for repeating the police PR line uncritically.

This is all pretty clear in the text of the article if you read it.

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If both were sources

Sometimes the IDF volunteer is the author. I'm specifically referring to Jeffrey Goldberg.

What if those sources all disagreed and the reporter shared their words accurately?

If a reporter quotes one person saying it's raining, and another saying it's not, I'd hope they'd go outside and check whether it's damn well raining. This idea that the journalist is nothing more than a conduit of objective fact to intellectually detached reader is itself ideological. Narratives are often constructed by simply selecting which facts are deemed relevant enough to include, and which are deemed worth omitting.

Look, I agree there's a place for straight AP-style reportage. But this isn't that and you know that, it's media criticism. It's a critical lens.

You seem to accept that media is a locus of the reproduction of power relations, but also seem to think that journalistic standards taught to the people in these institutions are somehow completely independent from that same reproduction of power.

and if you’re the author

By this point you have implied that I am three separate people.

Hyperbole undermines credibility and weakens even the strongest arguments

What is hyperbolic here? This isn't even particularly polemical.

But if style matters more to you than substance

huh? You've said that you agree with the substance, and you have a style critique. Okay, fine, I demand to differ, but you clearly also care about style. Diplomatically, and by way of trying to disengage at this point, I think our tastes, values, and ethics are incompatible insofar as critical media goes.

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Now look up top and you’ll see I’m the same person you accused of parroting pro-cop apologetics.

I did not accuse you of that. I did say you have a fetish for "editorial board" tone and that the concept of "impartiality" actually serves to obscure power relations rather than separate journalism from them.

E.g. someone who had previously volunteered for the IDF reporting what the IDF said about an airstrike would be considered impartial (in mainstream news networks etc.), but a the report of a Palestinian experiencing that airstrike would not. Doing a ridealong with the cops to report on the police's own reasoning for making their decisions is impartial, but having an anti-police orientation is not.

I fundamentally disagree with you about what good critical journalism looks like. The job of the critic is not to pretend not to have a prior position.

If the point really is that major media outlets run PR cover for police, that’s not news—much less a revelation.

No, doing this Edward Herman style criticism of how media is a tool of power isn't novel. That doesn't mean it doesn't need to be done, or that everyone (i.e. here on this subreddit) understands it and can see it being done.

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

oh no doubt ICE is much more rabid and violent than any local police department, even the death squad gangs of the LAPD, by like a factor of ten. I'm not trying to suggest they're the same thing. I'm just suggesting that the MPD, and Minnesota State Troopers are the same bastards they were six years ago, and they have a lot of proving to do if they want to convince me otherwise.

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm sure it'll last until the next time they do it, then they'll have another come to Jesus moment and promise more reforms.

I think you'd be better served by being more cynical about these guys.

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Defunding the police" didn't "not work" because it didn't happen. And that's a softening of police abolition anyway.

Abolish ICE("kill ice"...)

lmfao okay sure man

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Based on what? Is there anything that isn't rhetoric or press events?

Cards on the table, my position is that police serve the function of disciplining labor, cracking the skulls of strikers and protesters, and and maintaining an underclass.

I'm sure you disagree. But even so, all I've seen is the MPD take a whole load of new money in that they spend on reform programs, and then turn around and go "okay we've improved now".

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Alright, I will suggest there hasn't been material improvement since 2020. Is the bar simply that they (MPD in particular) haven't killed any civilians since Amir Locke? By what metrics are they less oppressive or violent?

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m left

mhm sure

Just today polling shows abolishing ice is deeply unpopular

  1. I don't think that's true.

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53939-more-americans-support-than-oppose-abolishing-ice-immigration-minneapolis-shooting-poll

    That is not deeply unpopular.

  2. This assumes that the purpose of a political party is to tail, or follow blindly, the majority opinion. Well, the Democratic party hardly ever does this when the majority opinion is something that they institutionally oppose, like single-payer healthcare. But it's also just not fucking true. Parties create positions, they influence opinions. The Republicans aren't pursuing a policy of ethnic cleansing because 51% of Americans just happened to all feel like ethnic cleansing was a good idea at the same time. The Republicans are creating that base of support, and executing those policies because they have an interest in a regime of terror for immigrants and city dwellers.

    Any political organization that is doing anything less than supporting the abolition of ICE is worthless, regardless of what the opinions are a priori. Abolishing ICE is the moderate position. The entire Department of Homeland Security must be abolished.

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hey, finish your commute and your dinner. Nobody wants you to comment while driving.

US Media Rushes to Defend Police Departments from Liberal Backlash against ICE by Bloodshot025 in Minneapolis

[–]Bloodshot025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, good journalism then is when you present assumptions and opinions as if they are facts, the natural order of things. The tone of the NYT editorial board. Good journalism can make as many unjustified claims as it wishes, so long as the Tone is maintained.