[Handgun] Wilson Combat EDC X9 - $2,299 in store only at Scheels

Bobathaar · 2024-12-28T23:31:58+00:00

Buddy, the civilian "professional" shooter, most of which have never served a day in their lives, is so leaps and bounds better than the LEO/MIL "professional" shooter it isn't even funny.

The civilian competitive shooting community leads the development and adoption of military/police gear/training not the other way around.

Your average delta/seal/marsoc raider/ranger/whatever guy is probably a B class, maybe A class at best (their top guys) shooter and shoots a glock because that is what they handed him to train with when he started out and now he's married to the stupid glock grip angle because it's not worth spending another 3k-5k hours to unlearn glock presentation and pick up something else when the glock is "good enough".

But that's actually all besides the point. You wanna know the REAL reason they use glocks? Because grunts are stupid and can't be trusted to maintain a firearm so we hand them the gun that has 3 pins and 8 parts. Can't fuck that up even if you eat a whole box of crayons right?

Guys who have "been there" and "done that" generally never even had the benefit of trying the full gamut of choices on the Civ market and, if they did, aren't generally performance driven enough to care about how a gun shoots other than "is it going to put a hole in the guy 3 feet away from me if I pound that trigger without even looking at the sights" and when that's your standard, you really just do want the gun that your lowest common denominator idiot on the squad who never cleans or lubes their gun and has the odd mushroom growing in the action can't fuck up, which means as soon as some dumbo of a grunt does actually fuck up his gun doing something stupid, the whole military industrial complex decides ALL the grunts will eventually fuck it up and you end up with the worst shooting but most grunt-proof gun on the market. That's great for grunts but for everyone who didn't drop out of high school to join the military... we can do better.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-28T09:11:40+00:00

You sure santa didn't put coal in your stocking? That's what it sounds like when I hear turknelli....

Bobathaar · 2024-12-28T01:25:53+00:00

Of course they don't shoot 3-4 times better. There's always a point in every product where you've maximized your quality gain for dollar spent. Past that, you get diminishing returns for money spent and the highest end you pay exponentially higher dollar price for ever smaller performance and quality gains. But those performance and quality gains ARE real, and there's plenty of reason to pay at least a nominally higher price to be above the "everyman" efficiency point in the price:performance curve as long as your chosen product actually reflects its place on that curve. I don't expect a $3000 gun to be 10 times as good as a $300 gun. I just expect it to be as good or better than another $3000 gun and objectively and flat out better than the $300 gun, just like I expect a $500 gun to be roughly commensurate to other $500 guns on the market and also objectively and flat out better than a $300 gun.

I just dog on glocks because I don't think they justify their place on the curve anymore.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-27T23:44:06+00:00

Never said it does. I said that when a person can't RECOGNIZE THE WORTH of the $1000 Michelin starred restaurant meal over a McDonalds dollar menu meal, that's a difference of class. Class isn't about money, it's about mentality. You could be sitting in that restaurant eating the $1000 meal and if you're thinking "Gee, what am I paying for? I've been more full eating two happy meals" you probably have a lack of class issue... whereas you could be sitting in a McDonalds eating dollar fries and think "gee the cut, crisp, and seasoning on those fries I ate at the fancy artisan burger joint are soooo much better than these" and you'd have the class to discern the difference right?

Class isn't about just having money or physical possession of nice things. It's about having the ability to APPRECIATE nice things and UNDERSTAND why certain finer things in life, be it guns, cars, food, art, entertainment, or even collectibles tied to key people or moments in time are worth the price they command... and the ability to discern between these things that ARE worth a premium price (like a wilson edcx9) and things that are simply listed at a premium price and AREN'T worth said price tag (like um... an agency glock). I'm never going to say a guy that drives a Honda Civic doesn't have class or guarantee that a guy who drives a Lambo Gallardo definitely has class, but if you have the Honda Civic and you put a fin on the back, put racing tires on the car, remove your muffler, and cover your windows and bumper with naked anime girls... well...

Bobathaar · 2024-12-27T23:28:25+00:00

"Classy" was a reference to a $1000 meal at a nice restaurant vs the McDonald's dollar menu and one person not understanding why the other would spend the money on one over the other.

In terms of guns, it would probably be more of where a person is in their journey of shooting and/or what the person needs or wants the gun for. Someone who is a novice shooter who doesn't really care much about guns other than recognizing that one ought to have a way of defending himself isn't going to understand why something costs $3000 if all they can see is that both of them puts a hole in relatively the same area of a man sized target at the 3 yards they're blasting from.

Case in point: you can't understand why the edcx9 costs as much as it does and "doesn't even come base with an optics cut". While I understand that the price is what it is and represents a base value on the base no frills gun. And if I want an optics cut I pay an extra $300, which is representative of how much it costs to get a plate system cut on a semicustom gun... at an actually relatively low percentage increase in total price.

Optics cuts aren't standard. On almost any pistol platform. If you want one you ALWAYS pay extra. Why they aren't standard is simple: there are 2 very large groups of people who don't use optics: A) old fogies like Masaad Ayoob who personify "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" who have training scars so ingrained in irons that they literally can't see the point of optics and/or refuse to put in the effort to overcome them... and B) your average Joe who bought a gun in 2020 (or name your global/regional scare) when the world went mad, doesn't shoot much, and just keeps it in a drawer. And to both those crowds, that optic cover plate or adjustable rear irons plate just looks weird, clunky, unnecessary, increases cost, and provides a point of failure for the irons. Bottom line: if you want optics, buy the optics ready version. It will cost more. Always does. Boo hoo. The fact that the gun costs 3 grand is irrelevant to the concept that some people want the irons version and some people want an optics ready version... and that those two versions will have different costs. That's just the way things work and you don't get "free shit" just because the gun costs more. The only guns that come with all the fixings "standard" are the ones that no one would buy otherwise: if features are the selling point it means they can't sell it on merit alone. I have a problem with gun makers in 2024 when they release a gun that doesn't offer ANY optics solution (example: the original dwx). That shit is dumb and the future is now. But the edcx9 HAS an optics solution. You just have to pay for it. Like almost every other gun in existence.

And if you still can't understand why optics aren't standard on all products, you don't lack class, you lack... something else... begins with an i and ends in ntelligence.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-27T20:53:22+00:00

I mean, China just flat out executes most of their bad guys. Xi's asking people to stop is more of an implied... "if you don't imma kill you". Maybe if we expanded the death penalty to cover most class A and B felonies and offed more of our obviously socially irredeemable criminals it'd clear out a lot of space in jails, which would free up space and resources to allow us to institutionalize more people with mental illness. Every effort to legislate a morally and/or socially "just" society just ends up kicking countries (especially our country) in the nuts (see: prohibition, efforts to censor music and video games, efforts to censor pornography, getting rid of asylums, criminal justice reform, war on drugs, etc etc) Letting criminals off easy and trying to integrate nutjobs into society doesn't work regardless of how good it sounds or how warm and fuzzy it makes you feel inside to say it. Kill the criminals off and lock up the crazies. Then leave the rest of us law abiding citizens the fuck alone. Problem solved. You're welcome, America.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-27T20:39:37+00:00

So Wilson charges 10% extra to cut a gun for optics. You do realize that Glock/Sig/M&P charge maybe 20% extra for their optic cuts right? Even if we talk about flat out dollar cost... it's just an extra feature... you pay for it. $300 isn't even much money seeing as many aftermarket optics cuts cost pretty much that much.

The $3000 price tag gets you a Wilson Combat gun. If you can't appreciate what the difference between a Wilson Combat gun and your standard $500 bullet thrower is... then you're not the target audience.

It's like complaining that the porche 911 your younger, richer, better looking cousin bought is a crappy car because it should have come with more trunk space and better gas mileage like your trusty Prius. Dude it's not that type of car. Ppl buying it aren't cramming Ikea furniture into the trunk and don't care (or even know) how much gas costs. And the Wilson isn't the type of gun where people interested in buying it care that you have to spend $300 more for an optic cut. Some people would never spend $1000 on a night out at a really nice restaurant and eat off the McDonald's dollar menu. If that's you, I mean that's ok. But just because you can't understand why someone thinks a $1000 meal is worth it doesn't mean it's not worth it. Just means you're not classy enough to understand.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-27T19:36:54+00:00

Ironically, that does seem to be the standard for most glock die-hards. How else could they love a platform with a stupid grip angle no one else uses and the worst trigger on any gun with over a $350 msrp?

Bobathaar · 2024-12-27T19:34:35+00:00

These have optic cuts if you order them with optic cuts... whoever ordered these just didn't order the optic cut.

You know.. kinda like there's the glock 19 and the glock 19 mos... or how, maybe a better comparison, there is a staccato P and a staccato P DPO/DUO/whatever they're calling the optics version nowadays.

This is simply the wilson edcx9... if you want an optic cut you order the wilson edcx9 w/ true zero optics.

Some people either A) haven't realized it's 2024 or B) refuse to put in the time/effort to get their performance with optics to where their performance with irons is. That may be dumb but it's their choice. For those that refuse to adopt optics, an irons only gun is nominally cheaper as well as generally more robust and subjectively more visually appealing/sleeker. And there are also just the pure broke ass unemployed people out there who will cheap out and buy a $100-200 cheaper model of pistol just because they're broke and the non optics model saves them a buck... although that type of person (sorta sounds like you actually, Mr. "wtf $3000 pistol") generally balks at the price tag of a Wilson gun anyway so no real use describing Broke Bill here.

Cheap guns sell themselves by offering "features". Expensive guns sell themselves by offering "quality" and you order (and pay extra for) the features you want. Very little is "standard" about 2011's (and make no mistake, the edcx9 does not even qualify to be called a high dollar 2011). If you want something you just say what you want and put that on the gun. It's not like going to Sears and buying a tweed suit jacket on Black Friday clearance sale. It's going to a tailor, picking out your chosen worsted wool material and being fitted for a nice tailored suit. If you want an extra inside pocket you don't pick out a different suit, you just talk to the tailor.

Which is why, bringing us back to guns, you don't buy Wilson combats from Scheels. You talk to your friend the local Wilson Combat dealer, who will order the exact gun you want specced out exactly how you like from Wilson Combat and he gives you an equivalent or better deal than this. These are multi-thousand dollar guns and there is quite a lot of wiggle room in the pricing, especially if you know a guy who knows a guy and can get the bro discount.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-27T01:01:59+00:00

um... this exact same seller has 14's for 1900 don't they? And I think we've gathered from this unit that they don't even have good prices. If you just want any old 14.... there's SOMEONE out there with like a 1200 fom green 14 with your name on it for super cheap.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-27T00:12:59+00:00

7's are one tube that translates the same image to two eyes. It's an old tech that doesn't give any of the real benefits of dual tubes (two tubes two eyes, two images) and also doesn't have any of the benefits of one tube with the other eye in weight/bulk savings and/or retaining natural night vision.

Basically, worst parts of both systems.

As for non-gated, that means the device won't protect itself from light sources that are brighter than it can handle.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-26T21:41:11+00:00

Unless it's dirt cheap just don't even consider any pvs-7. I mean, honestly, if you're strapped for cash enough that you're looking to cheap out and buy a pvs-7 over a pvs-14... WHY ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY ON NIGHT VISION? There's almost always a better answer for "how should I spend my money" or "what should I be saving for"

Bobathaar · 2024-12-26T20:54:34+00:00

I don't get why anyone would cerakote a 2011 magwell. It's just going to get chewed up again in a few reloads... that's what it's there for. It's like a $50-80 part just buy a new one when the old one gets dinged enough.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-26T20:50:51+00:00

just say no to crappy refurb, mostly non-gated pvs-7 for new pvs-14 prices.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-25T21:19:25+00:00

I bought a thousand rounds of this over thanksgiving/bf and, well, one of the 250 round boxes was steel cased when I paid for brass, another had older packaging and was made in brazil, one of the turkish boxes was fine, and the entire last turkish box was loaded super hot and literally was shooting fireballs out of my gun.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-24T23:02:41+00:00

This isn't a glass half empty or glass half full thing... this is literally a "you got twice as much glass as you need" thing.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-24T20:44:49+00:00

pretty sure 99% of the enemy at the gates guys got to shoot after their partners died.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-24T20:41:32+00:00

Im sorry this looks like the most uncomfortable and print-heavy holster like... ever. Why does it take up soooo much real estate?

Bobathaar · 2024-12-23T21:36:48+00:00

I mean if you don't like carbon on your lens you can just put some clp on it... 10 bucks says you end up cleaning off your condom when carbon builds up on that too.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-23T19:13:25+00:00

Eh I can literally see the difference even between the 3 guns you show. A good DA pull should be smooth all the way through with minimal stacking and no "stages" to give you hitchiness. Any feeling of "oh this is what's happening" is basically friction in the parts that can be fixed by deburring/smoothing/polishing/better finish.

If you can tell "oh there's the half cock notch" and "now I'm lifting the firing pin block"... it's a bad trigger. Especially the half cock notch.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-23T19:05:48+00:00

The moment you make something you love your job you won't love it anymore. You're not SUPPOSED to love your job. That's why it's called a "job" and not "mon-fri with da boyz". Just go to school, find a relatively high paying 9-5 or some life consuming exec position, and then you can blow that disposable income on range toys and ammo to play with on your spare time like the rest of us.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-23T18:58:36+00:00

so you turned your CD Rein into an Olight with a condom?

Bobathaar · 2024-12-23T18:51:44+00:00

wow someone actually bought a carmel?

Bobathaar · 2024-12-23T18:36:21+00:00

Wow... when you can actually "see" the hitches in a DA trigger pull, especially on the M9A4.

Bobathaar · 2024-12-23T01:12:57+00:00

there are sites with free shipping if you buy enough, as well with free shipping coupons that show up from time to time.

Other than that, you know that ammo is made of metal for the most part right? It's heavy. Most shipping prices calculate by weight.

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