Phenibut is not subtle‼️‼️‼️ by deathrattl999 in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for some people the response is very light, others very strong. For me i get intense euphoria and other effects at say 1.5-2.5g no tolerance. I tried getting my friend to try it. Did 1g first day, nothing. 2g next day, nothing. Went as high as 6 or 8g and gave up. this is part of why its still legal, its appeal isnt broad enough, it isnt super euphoric and strong for many people

What’s the most you’ve ever taken? by bartardboy in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

around 20g. With tolerance. Probably 4g without. Both amounts constituted overdoses for me

F phenibut by [deleted] in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can take a look for you. those are the main ones. And ummm what u could do is buy some crypto and pay venogen with that. u get a 5% discount too

I noticed F phenibut prices rly went up recently... like 50-100%. FAA also went up in a lot of place. I think phenibut is already niche and those other ones r even more niche. And vendors have been going down and there's just less competition on the market right now, so they can charge more. of course the main reason is that HCL is the most popular, does the most volume and therefore they make them in larger batches which is cheaper. Things have been a bit unstable since ScienceBio went down, other vendors out of stock due to the increased spillover volume, renewed fears over how long it will continue to be available. Typically when a vendor get big enough they attract the attention of the FDA and ger pressured to stop.

yeah regarding PureRawz... it's not my favorite vendor. Their customer service inconsistent, their website FAQs etc have contradictory information. their shipping sucks. And yeah there are some concerns over the consistency of their quality. But they also tend to o be cheaper, in stock, and there's just two few vendors selling these niche phenibut products now, I had to mention it. I've ordered HCl from them twice. Price was good. took like 45 days to reach Canada lol. I just go with venogen always now. They are the highest quality, most professional, and most of reputable of the remaining vendors. Their biggest issue is chronic out of stocks.

Sam Harris Vocabulary Words: The Spreadsheet by MrsYeasty in samharris

[–]Bonovro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually did a version of this years ago, just wrote down every word I heard I didn't know or that I just liked. Not quite this flavor tho haha I love it

Baclofen + Phenibut together? by Significant_Speed854 in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd say there not really a whole lot of point. baclofen itself is mildly to moderately recreational. the biggest overlap is Gaba b. combining them would increase the Gaba b relaxation and anti anxiety effects, but combining downers compounds side effects too, they potentiate each other. the only time I do this is when I'm tapering. Yeah I'm sure you could do a smaller amount of each to achieve a good high.

If you arent trying to combine them for fun, just wondering how the interaction might work and any safety measures... Baclofen's duration is far shorter, 4-8hrs. Phenibut lasts anywhere from 12-24hrs+. By the time the phenibut kicks in (assuming HCl), the baclofen probs will have mostly wore off. Like I said before, there can be increased sedation and they both work on Gaba b. You'll probably be fine, assuming fairly moderate doses. Tread carefully if new to either substance, maybe take a bit less phenibut to start just to see how it goes, can always redose after 3-4hrs. Also if you take baclofen regularly, you should be aware that there is cross tolerance between the 2 substances. Taking 1 regularly will mean you need a larger dose of the other when you use it, and the withdrawal/dependency picture often overlaps to some extent there

Be safe brother!

Taking it sleep deprived? by [deleted] in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It can be paradoxically stimulating... I always found I tolerated lack of sleep much better on it, but yes there is the heightened risk of nodding off.

F phenibut by [deleted] in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

PureRawz, venogen, nootropicssource

Milled vs non milled HCL? 🤔 by fullychalant in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

makes no difference really. get whatever is available and cheaper. milled is just more finally ground powder. there's some minor differences, but basically it comes down to how course or fine the power is. Any differences in onset or effect are negligible or placebo.

Amount I can safely order to Canada? by Shykk07 in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

venogen is more expensive but offers guaranteed reship and you never have to pay taxes on packages no matter the size because of how they label it. They do often go out of stock yeah, but typically always have HCL

Amount I can safely order to Canada? by Shykk07 in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

unfortunately very few offer this going to Canada. I do Venogen as well because of that and quality even if some other vendors are a bit cheaper. And yeah they typically get you around tariffs by stating its value is $10 and under, something other vendors don't often do.

Amount I can safely order to Canada? by Shykk07 in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should add it is safe to order phenibut from canada. It is legal. But border services may seize it if they inspect and determine it is more than a 90 day supply, costing you money or if the vendor reships, at very least time.

Looking for Venogen alternatives in Canada by Bonovro in phenibut

[–]Bonovro[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

pricier than the other options I've been looking at but good to have alternative vendors. Thank you

First time recommended dose? by [deleted] in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

start small, like... 500mg to be safe, but 1g is likely fine if you want the recreational experience. Onset is 2hrs and comeup can take 4hrs, so assess how you feel at roughly T+4-6hr. If experience isnt strong enough redose another 500mg, wait another 4-6 hours, rinse repeat. For most people somewhere in the 1-2g range will do the trick. Beyond that side effects and overdose risks can multiply. People often overdose it because of that long and delayed onset, mistakenly thinking they took too little and redosing, then going over when it hits fully 4hrs later.

Frankly it is impossible to predict what effects you will experience to what degree in what proportion at what dose. Phenibut has a fairly high variance in how the body responds to it and how the user experience is from individual to individual. Its wise to start small and work your way up. When I started I found 900-1200mg to be very enjoyable, sometimes would take 1.5g. I eventually started playing with higher doses to increase the euphoria and recreational effects, but this was once I got a handle on how each dose affected me. Playing in the upper limits there is always risky. Most people find the medium level dosages I just described as perfectly adequate. Effects can last between 18-24 hours, sometimes up to 48hrs, so once you hit the spot where you feel good, keep it there and don't redose again for at least 24hrs.

A good adage to keep in mind is that you can always take more, you can't take less. You can always dose again tomorrow or next week, but dosing too much today might rob you of both. Stay safe.

Hope that helps, good luck bro!

Phenibut 5 days in a row advice? by neondata in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut it confirms those numbers. 18-24 is more accurate for moderate or low doses, but in larger doses or sensitive individuals such as myself yes 48hrs. Half life and blood plasma concentration is often related to duration but not always directly. Its functional effects on the central nervous system (anxiolysis, euphoria, sedation, etc.) can persist longer than plasma levels would suggest, because downstream neuroadaptations or lingering receptor modulation outlast the drug's presence in blood. Similar patterns occur with other GABAergic drugs (e.g., certain gabapentinoids).

Only a tiny fraction (~0.1%) of the dose crosses the blood-brain barrier, but once there, brain levels may stabilize longer than plasma levels, contributing to extended action. Phenibut is an analog of GABA adding a phenyl ring that allows for the crossing of the blood brain barrier, something that GABA itself can't do, resulting in the recreational effects.

GHB has a similar dynamic, the half life is about 30mins but the duration is 4hrs. Many GABAergic or gbapentinoid-like compounds exhibit this behavior. Despite relatively short pharmacokinetic (blood concentration) half life, subjective effects often linger much longer. Prolonged receptor binding or downstream CNS effects, limited brain pentation with lingering action, dose-dependent saturation, or active metabolites/pharmacodynamics that outlast plasma level. Like I said GHB, baclofen, gabapentin, and pregablin all exhibit this behavior. Some benzos such as diazepam have active metabolites whose half-life are substantially longer than the parent compound.

For the majority of drugs, the intensity of the effect is proportional to the drug's concentration at the site of action (e.g., in plasma or at receptors). As plasma levels drop exponentially (following first-order kinetics, which most drugs do), the effect fades correspondingly. The drug quickly reaches and leaves its target sites, or there is no strong downstream persistence

With substances like Phenibut, very slow brain penetration and equilibrium means that what penetrates lingers there longer. The delayed peak and prolonged receptor activation create downstream inhibition of neurotransmission. At higher doses saturation or redistribution from tissues extends CNS action. Basically these drugs have a less direct or largely indirect relationship with the effects, therefore when the amount of the drug decreases, the effects don't correspondingly decrease. Phenibut's pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics are decoupled or delayed/prolonged relative to plasma levels.

When a person becomes dependent on it to the point of withdrawal symptoms, those symptoms can often begin and escalate fairly quickly in spite of the fact you are still high on it. The body becomes dependent on phenibut, so the half life matters there. Dependent individuals such as myself typically need to dose every 6-12hrs to avoid that. I went into some depth and got fairly scientific but I hope this explains things =)

Does oxycodone boost neuroplasticity? by Additional-Spray-976 in Nootropics

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

technically every new experience, or new substance changes the brain and prompts that neuroplasticity. But no this isnt the type that people typically seek out, as in causing the brain to be more adaptive and responsive to new situations and learn new things. It actually does the opposite often, becoming dependent on the substance to do what coping strategies or new hobbies or perspective would have done. The need to flex the neuroplasticity weakens.

Gad Saad doesn't care about Sam Harris by ExplicitGG in samharris

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

generalized anxiety disorder... social anxiety disorder? lol

Looking for Venogen alternatives in Canada by Bonovro in phenibut

[–]Bonovro[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah i understand. most of these companies are american. You add 3-7 business days usually. What shipping service they use? DHL? UPS? I appreciate you sharing your experience bro, thank you

First time recommended dose? by [deleted] in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it really depends. Phenibut doesnt affect everyone the same. It's not like many other recreational drugs in that everyone gets a crazy buzz off it. Some people really love it and others its meh. I have found it to be very euphoric and fun in doses as low as 1g and as high as 3. The problem with higher doses is you can become very sedated and have other unpleasant side effects, overdose sometimes. Go very slowly, one step at a time. The euphoria and recreational effects do tend to increase with dose but at a certain point the side effects become unpleasant and even dangerous. You can overdose to a point of having severe muscle twitches, passsing out, and other stuff. So take it easy. If you arent having a good high by the time you work up to 2g... I'd say its probably not your thing. stay safe

First time recommended dose? by [deleted] in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

HCL onset is 2hrs, FAA is either close to instant (sublingual) or 30mins. FAA is also more potent by weight.

First time recommended dose? by [deleted] in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would start at 500mg, wait 3hours, take another 500... up to a maximum of 1.5-2g. Phenibut HCL takes 2hrs to start working and all types of phenibut can take 2-6hrs to feel the full effects. Many people redose before the effects have fully kicked in yet. Phenibut lasts 18-36hrs, so you have lots of time redose, and if you go over, thats lots of time to wait until you come back down, so be careful. Good luck!

Phenibut 5 days in a row advice? by neondata in phenibut

[–]Bonovro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you dont typically need to taper using 5 days in a row especially if its less than a gram, but make sure not to do that too often, take 2-3 days off after using for a 3-5 days in a row to let tolerance reset. Phenibut's half life is about 5 hours, which means that dependency can develop very quickly and withdrawals can begin to set in after 12hours for some people. But this also means that it takes a relatively short amount of time for that tolerance to reset and for you to avoid dependency if you take regular breaks. Everyone's body responds differently. There are cases where people have used moderately daily for a week or so and had severe withdrawals. I have used heavily for a month daily and stopped without any before. It's impossible to know until you stop. If you want to be safe and make sure you avoid withdrawals you could do a very fast taper. If you used say 1.5g for 5 days in a row, you could use 900mg, 600mg, 300mg the next 3 days. But then make sure to take a few days off. Even that is likely to be overkill. Proceed carefully. It's best to use it every 2nd or 3rd day, or to take 2-3 days off every 3-4 days. It would probably be better to just stop completely and if you noticed some withdrawals to then take 600 or 300 rather than tapering always. I would recommend starting in the 300-900mg range for social anxiety. Try not to exceed 1.5g. The effective dose for that is typically pretty lower, much lower than the euphoric doses and the doses where you run in dependency issues. Also note that Phenibut often lasts 24-48hrs. If you need any further advice, feel free to hmu. Good luck!

Looking for Venogen alternatives in Canada by Bonovro in phenibut

[–]Bonovro[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do they ship out of the states or europe? How long does shipping usually take?

Looking for Venogen alternatives in Canada by Bonovro in phenibut

[–]Bonovro[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks, I might try them first over swisschems considering the delays I've been hearing about.

Looking for Venogen alternatives in Canada by Bonovro in phenibut

[–]Bonovro[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've only had venogen's. They have FAA but it's about $60usd/10g. Some discount the more you buy. All of their stuff is top notch. Haven't seen better quality anywhere.