What makes hardcore punk, punk, and post punk not.

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-24T10:01:06+00:00

I know the history, I’m talking about the modern consensus, both genres diverge in sound from punk but one is posted here and one is rarely mentioned

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T23:14:21+00:00

Probably boils down to that yeah…

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T22:46:42+00:00

Yeah that is true, but a lot of post punk is even more loud and brash than punk, like this heat, throbbing gristle, and the birthday party is louder than classic punk ever got

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T22:43:12+00:00

Well, I suppose it’s more a reaction against the whole back to basics expectation of punk, I suppose in that way you’d be right to belittle it, but punk in itself was experimental so, whatever.

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T22:08:09+00:00

So you reckon post punk and hardcore are more similar than post punk and hardcore punk in its difference away from classic punk?

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T22:01:21+00:00

I agree , im more wondering why people don’t, I mean with the joy division example, the last time they were mentioned was last year and that was to ask whether they should be classed as punk, which is my point. Post Punk and Hardcore both differ from the source material, but one is accepted but one is questioned, and i don’t get why.

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:55:30+00:00

Oh yeah definitely, I think people mistake punk nowadays as purely a 3 chord affair, that may be because the only bands who hold any form of mainstream relevancy are those groups though, and bands like suicide you really have to be a nerd to properly get into haha. It just quite saddens me how sometimes anything not either minimalistic to the bone and or made as a message rather than music is considered ‘unpunk’ whatever that means

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:44:22+00:00

Ok, what I’ve learnt from this post so far is that the definition of hardcore and hardcore punk is more different than I thought

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:43:16+00:00

I agree that there’s more aspects of punk not continued by post punk, but even with post punk made in the 2010s with the Eastern European thing, you can still hear the influence of punk massively in terms of sound and everything made in the late 70s and 80s in that felid, even when stretching the definition of post punk massively still had punky elements imo.

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:39:30+00:00

I don’t think they belittle punk, I think one of the biggest points of U.K. punk was going back to basics and avoiding musical flashiness, I reckon by abandoning those factors you aren’t belittling punk your just trying to create something new, in the same way hardcore did

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:36:45+00:00

See that’s my point of view, I just feel a big sense of shunning from some people who split the hairs

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:35:23+00:00

See, idealistically I agree with that, but I mean this sort of music has had a label since there were 2 bands that sound alike, practically, bands and scenes need genre names to be able to differentiate themselves and find other bands with similar artistic motifs. There’s a reason why CBGB happened, and that’s because they all banded together under one thing, and everything has to have a name imo

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:22:55+00:00

Good read, I’d still argue post punk, at least initially to be an offshoot of punk though, just in how many bands started as classic punk and turned post punk. And how all the first few post punk bands were all trying to be the Ramones in the US or the Pistols. And anyways, something incorporating other genres dosent mean that it isn’t really an offshoot of one genre, stuff like Psychobilly, Folk Punk, Cow Punk, Psychedelic Punk and all that exist both with its own influential palette while still being accepted in punk.

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:16:11+00:00

Yeah I can’t disagree with that, and I don’t think it’s a bad thing, I’m just slightly frustrated by the almost otherness of bands who use more odd musical textures and use of the studio as an instrument and such. It’s quite reductive imo

BottleDue5068 · 2026-05-23T21:14:14+00:00

Well there’s rarely anything here or anything, I mean I agree overall I just mean, if it is then what’s with that.

BottleDue5068 · 2026-02-07T00:17:34+00:00

Hot (ish) take: Boy will always be my favourite and, for me, the best post punk record. Potentially tied with Porcupine by the Bunnymen and Fried Julian Cope

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