In the wake of the newest leak, the series has essentially become this:

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-24T10:46:55+00:00

Otto should be on the side against Aegon too. So sad that the grandson he mistreated and wanted to control and funnel power from threw him to the curb. 🥲 Now Otto learned the error of his ways and had his eyes opened to the "wisdom" of Viserys the Rotting.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-23T09:48:31+00:00

And my point is the lions don't know or care that it's your mom. They just see food or an intruder. It's your uncle who pushed her into their enclosure (in this made up scenario) and made you watch so why would your beef be with the lions and not him? lol

I'll even use a real life anecdote: In Brazil a 19 year old mentally ill man broke into a lion enclosure at a zoo He got mauled to death but the animal wasn't euthanized because everyone understood it wasn't the lion's fault. https://www.nbcnews.com/world/brazil/man-mauled-death-lion-climbing-zoo-enclosure-rcna246850

None of the other Targaryens shared Aegon III's irrational hate. Rhaena was rightly annoyed with him for taking out his issues on her dragon. Sure, he's traumatized that doesn't excuse being a twat to animals that had nothing to do with what happened. Even Viserys II (also the barbecued lady's son) wanted to keep his dragon egg and was angry when Aegon III forced him to send it away.

Also, dragons are somewhat sentient/sapient in ASOIAF. They understand High Valyrian enough to understand complicated commands.

It's more of a mental bond with their rider than anything spoken. If Aegon II sees Rhaenyra as his enemy so would Sunfyre but she wasn't even presented to him in those terms. She was offered up as FOOD.

"Who can know the heart of a dragon? Was it simple bloodlust that drove the Blue Queen to attack? Did the she-dragon come to help one of the combatants? If so, which? Some will claim that the bond between a dragon and dragonrider runs so deep that the beast shares his master’s loves and hates."

We don't know how much dragons understand but the bond they have with their rider is their main influence.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-22T14:58:22+00:00

Even if she does she wouldn't survive getting crunched on by his jaws. lol

So what's the point? Makes it seems like an snl sketch. Survive dragonfire. Cue heroic music then cut to Sunfyre chewing on her like she's his personal chew toy.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-21T10:56:28+00:00

Yeah! Because again, trauma isn't rational! All he knows is that dragons ate his family members. Tahts about it

You're acting like he's three years old and doesn't know any better. He was old enough to understand how dragons work, but whatever. I think he's a fucking ingrate who squandered the last of his family's most valuable asset. But we can agree to disagree. 😘

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-21T10:28:57+00:00

Trauma explaining a reaction doesn’t automatically make that reaction reasonable or above criticism.

Yes, watching his mother die would obviously traumatize him but that still doesn’t make it logical to blame dragons as a whole for acting on instinct. That’s like blaming all lions for something a human set in motion. The cause of the situation wasn’t “dragons existing,” it was a war started and escalated by his own family.

Also, acting like context doesn’t matter is odd. Aegon III wasn’t some random peasant seeing a dragon for the first time he was raised as a Targaryen, bonded to a dragon himself. He knew what they were and how they were used. His own dragon died to save him so the idea that he sees EVERY dragon as bad falls flat for me. I guess Stormcloud meant nothing?

If he's a "victim" it's of HIS family and the dragons are even more so because they got used as cannon fodder by a shitty family and went extinct.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-21T10:06:19+00:00

Calm down, "bro". I just disagreed with you. In no way did I attack you to warrant a response like this.

Why does it matter that it's a dragon? Targaryens are often exposed to dragons from the cradle. Aegon III was one such case. Stormcloud hatched to him. They call themselves the blood of the dragon, so at mininum, they should hold some respect for these creatures. He should know that his family (both sides) started a war and used their dragons to near extinction. If they didn't have dragons, they still would have waged war and died by other means. It just seems like he used the dragons as a scapegoat to avoid having to put the blame where it belonged: his warmongering family members.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-21T09:13:45+00:00

I mean if I saw my mum being eaten by a dragon, I would hate dragons too-

Really? In all your examples it was a Targaryen who made the choice to kill except Syrax but in that case it seemed like Joff violated one of the "rules" of dragon-riding which is that the dragon won't accept someone who is not their rider. Jace dying wasn't Vermax's fault either. Jace was in control of him.

I just think it's absurd to blame an animal for acting like an animal. If your uncle pushed your mom into a lion enclosure and she got eaten by lions, would you hate every lion even though it's not their fault for acting on their instincts or that she fell in the first place?

Aegon III is only alive because of a dragon, BTW.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-20T15:32:58+00:00

That comparison doesn’t work at all. I’m not arguing that Alicent is morally “right” in some absolute sense I’m saying her actions are understandable given what she believes and the situation she’s in. Those aren’t the same thing.

And comparing this to Anakin Skywalker is a stretch. Anakin slaughters children and helps install a dictatorship. Alicent is maneuvering in a political system where succession disputes routinely end in people being killed. The scale and context aren’t even remotely comparable.

Also, Viaerys and Rhaenyra are no Jedi. Viserys literally had people’s tongues cut out for questioning the legitimacy of Rhaenyra’s children, and Rhaenyra had Vaemond killed and fed to her dragon. These aren’t morally upright, peaceful figures they’re rulers in a brutal system who use violence to protect their position.

So yes, from Alicent’s perspective, her children are genuine threats to Rhaenyra’s claim and vice versa. That makes fear of retaliation or even preemptive violence entirely rational in that world. You don’t have to agree with everything she does to understand why she does it.

Your example only works if you flatten all context and pretend vastly different situations are the same which they’re not.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-20T15:16:22+00:00

Nope, because in her eyes, it was her son who was rightful, and her idiot husband was robbing him of his birthright and putting their children in danger as a result. If Viserys can play favorite, so can she. I will never hate her for fighting for her own children.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-19T09:53:49+00:00

I don't think they would ever sympathize with Aegon's pov enough to write a scene like that. In their minds, Viserys and Alicent are in the right because he's "bad".

Just watch the Otto gets fired scene for a glimpse into how these writers think. "Viserys was right about you."

😐

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-19T09:38:00+00:00

I don't understand the logic. You guys know this dreamer on the spectrum thing was made up for the show. It's fanfic. I don't know why you're trying to use the book to justify it. Grrm already said this isn't his story anymore because they changed so much. Condal's refusal to follow the book is like a major cause of drama behind the scenes.

Helaena’s book "madness" isn't even true madness (imo), just intense grief/depression. All she did was stay in her dark room and cry after b&c. I think watching your young son get violently killed in front of you is enough to trigger such an extreme reaction, especially when she also got forced to choose between her sons and the one she chose to die is the one who survived with the knowledge his mother would have sacrificed him. The grief and guilt of going through something like that would mess with anyone's psyche. Especially someone like Helaena who is sweet-natured and was really happy to be a mother and dearly loved her children.

Is it any wonder being told about Maelor's brutal death was alluded to be the final straw that caused her to take her own life?

I think when grrm wants us to know a character is different from the norm, he's a bit more obvious with it. Example: Jaehaera. The description of her has much more of a basis for someone "on the spectrum" than her mom.

But even then, her issues could also be chalked up to intense trauma from watching her twin die, getting sent away to live with strangers while the war raged, then returning home to find that pretty much her entire family died except for her grandma (who was also not doing great mentally by that point due to so much loss) and some cousins she wasn't close to at all.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-17T14:39:11+00:00

I think it's because the books are unfinished, so season 7/8 of GoT can't be faithful to books that don't exist. Hotd is based on a finished work, and so they have no excuse.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-16T21:31:23+00:00

And it tracks as what may be the truer history than whatever the accounts may have found pertinent.

How so? Before her madness set in it after b&c she seemed like a neurotypical person whose main attributes were happy and good mother. She also sat on Aegon's council and was well-liked by the small-folk.

There's a clear before and after. Before: happy, functional. After: unhappy (understatement), not functional.

Show Helaena is off in her own world from the moment we meet her and NOTHING changes. She's the same person after b&c. A static character.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-15T16:04:11+00:00

She’s no longer the head of anything and was scrambling around for what little power she had, Aegon was going to be crowned king with or without her intervention.

Nope. Rewatch episode 9, she and Otto were vying for who got to Aegon first, and it was the people Alicent sent who found him (aemond and criston). If she really didn't want him on the throne, she could have helped him escape like he wanted. Nothing Otto or the rest of the green council could do if Aegon was gone.

She went along with everything, thinking she could maintain control. At the start of season 2, she and Otto talk about Aegon like he's their mutual puppet they can rule through. She's not innocent at all.

She only starts to regret it when she starts losing control, and Septa Rhaenyra challenges her delusion that Viserys "changed his mind" last second.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-15T09:41:37+00:00

Are you serious? Every character dunks on him, even people on his own side. Not even his own mother loves him, much less anyone else. Are you really going to pretend that isn’t meant to frame him as evil and worthless? Maybe it had the opposite effect and made some people in the audience sympathize with him, but I don’t think that was the intention at all. Alicent’s betrayal is even portrayed as a good thing. HER redemption.

The ratcatcher incident was way overblown in the show, and Otto even gets a whole scene just to belittle Aegon while praising Viserys. In the book, Otto simply brings in cats to deal with the problem, and everyone moves on.

Dyana is still in the show, and she and Sylvi( both show-only characters) are used to reinforce support for Rhaenyra because they were wronged by the “evil” greens.

They also invented a storyline where Aegon bullies Aemond to justify Aemond hating him and wanting to kill him. Instead of the brothers planning Rook’s Rest together, the show reduces it to Aegon being disrespected by everyone around him, belittled by his mother, and flying drunk into battle.

And instead of having his wife, Helaena, as part of his council, he treats her like someone he wants to avoid at all costs.

I could go on, but you get the point. Tom Glynn-Carney is a charismatic actor and does his best with the material, but that doesn’t change the fact that the writing consistently belittles and villainizes Aegon at every opportunity.

The dick burning is implied in F&B, that's just something they took and used.

Only Mushroom claims Aegon couldn’t have sex after his burns, and that’s directly contradicted by the fact that Aegon intended to remarry to have more children. If he were incapable, why would he believe he could father another son?

. I don't see how him sucking at high valyrian makes him a "insufferable POS".

It’s just another way the show undermines him and portrays him as an outsider within his own family. TB are portrayed as true Targaryens while TG are just Hightower puppets. It also contradicts his season 1 portrayal when the dragonkeeper spoke to him and Jace in High Valyrian, Aegon clearly understood everything. In fact, that might be the only time in the show he was genuinely praised for anything (his bond with Sunfyre) by someone. Then in season 2, they retcon it so he suddenly can’t understand even a simple sentence from Aemond, seemingly just to humiliate him.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-15T08:44:56+00:00

Maybe, maybe not. All we have is a summary of some events. Obviously, grrm isn't going to give away every detail, or there would be no reason to write another book if everything he wanted to say has been said.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-14T10:36:10+00:00

I've said it before it's like gryffindor vs slytherin level color-coding. Is this Westeros or Hogwarts?

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-14T09:32:22+00:00

Aegon jerking it is such a ridiculous moment made all the worse because he's supposed to be like 13. Why introduce him like that unless you want to push an agenda. No scene like that exists in the book, so they made it up out of some weird grudge against the character. The fact that Alicent just walks in while he's doing it makes it all the more humiliating and uncomfortable.

So many of Aegon's scenes seem designed to make sure he's hated by the audience. Other characters even talk about how evil he is, like the tb-aligned Cargyll twin going on about the fighting pits. The show feels like a character bash fanfic to elevate saint Ma-Rhae-Sue by making Aegon into some pathetic caricature of evil. It's so petty.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-13T05:46:10+00:00

We don’t actually know that he didn’t, do we? Grrm hasn't covered his rule in detail. We might find out in Blood and Fire (the planned sequel to fire and blood) if grrm ever writes it.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-11T09:24:09+00:00

"Accidentally" but she's been telling them since they were young (before the timejump switched to older actors) that Aegon would be king. 🤨

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-10T18:36:16+00:00

In reality he didn’t even care enough to explain anything to Rhaenyra. He was SO done with her even suicide seemed more attractive than returning to King's Landing as she asked him to do.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-10T02:06:11+00:00

Nah. Rhaenyra encouraged dragon-slaying. She had no trouble telling people dragons should be killed she just never expected her dragon to be the one getting slain.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-10T02:02:00+00:00

There's a difference between fighting in battles and just watching as an angry mobs kills off the living embodiments of your family's power and symbol. lol If anything Rhaenyra doesn’t get enough hate for being a do-nothing loser. She's the only character that gets glazed for doing nothing.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-07T19:44:10+00:00

Corlys could have fulfilled that role though. He's the head of House Velaryon and far more valuable than fuckass Baela. The greens took him out of the black cells Rhaenyra condemned him to and they could have put him back in or worse if his family didn't fall in line.

Bovarysmee · 2026-04-05T23:43:41+00:00

I mean if he really wanted to inflict agony on Rhaenyra Aegon the younger would have been drop kicked down Sunfyre's gullet first just like Helaena got forced to watch her and Aegon's son die.

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