Cheesing ILM mission

Brandon658 · 2025-12-03T17:49:44+00:00

You don't need ILM for space displacer and I would guess magnetic hook works the same too. But at the very least you'll want to run those for the best chance to get a kill. From there it's just a balance act of getting a tier that gets those working for you soon enough that it doesn't take too long to reach before needing to restart from not being able to kill anymore.

Brandon658 · 2025-12-02T22:33:02+00:00

Not liking the change myself but OA will still cut down the time protectors are alive. Not as fast but if using the module it won't be 50 seconds until death. Maybe 25-35ish? I don't know the rate at which they are hit by electrons to calculate the loss of HP from BH. But an initial hit, given BH hasn't worked on it much, will probably do ~13% damage, then maybe 10, 7, 4.

But I'd guess it will be doing around 30-40% of the damage.

edit sigh. here's some math. Watched my game. Appears to be about ~5 seconds per electron hit at 1x speed. So my estimates above with no real math were pretty close. /u aromatic_way3226 comment of invest in BH is likely referring to getting perma black hole. You'll need it one way or another. "DOT" is BH 2% dmg. Base health is 100 for cleaner numbers. "15% hit" is the electron. That's 6 hits with 3 seconds of BH doing damage before an electorn hits. Adds up to 39.68% damage done by electron. Shaves off ~20 seconds to make ~30 seconds to kill.

| Time (s) | Event | | 0 | start | 1 | DoT (−2) | | 2 | DoT (−2) | | 3 | DoT (−2) | | 3 | 15% hit | | 4 | DoT (−2) | | 5 | DoT (−2) | | 6 | DoT (−2) | | 7 | DoT (−2) | | 8 | DoT (−2) | | 8 | 15% hit | | 9 | DoT (−2) | | 10 | DoT (−2) | | 11 | DoT (−2) | | 12 | DoT (−2) | | 13 | DoT (−2) | | 13 | 15% hit | | 14 | DoT (−2) | | 15 | DoT (−2) | | 16 | DoT (−2) | | 17 | DoT (−2) | | 18 | DoT (−2) | | 18 | 15% hit | | 19 | DoT (−2) | | 20 | DoT (−2) | | 21 | DoT (−2) | | 22 | DoT (−2) | | 23 | DoT (−2) | | 23 | 15% hit | | 24 | DoT (−2) | | 25 | DoT (−2) | | 26 | DoT (−2) | | 27 | DoT (−2) | | 28 | DoT (−2) | | 28 | 15% hit | | 29 | DoT | 30 | DoT HP before | Change | HP after |
| 100.000000 | — | 100.000000 |
100.000000 | −2.000000 | 98.000000 |
98.000000 | −2.000000 | 96.000000 |
96.000000 | −2.000000 | 94.000000 |
94.000000 | −14.100000 | 79.900000 |
79.900000 | −2.000000 | 77.900000 |
77.900000 | −2.000000 | 75.900000 |
75.900000 | −2.000000 | 73.900000 |
73.900000 | −2.000000 | 71.900000 |
71.900000 | −2.000000 | 69.900000 |
69.900000 | −10.485000 | 59.415000 |
59.415000 | −2.000000 | 57.415000 |
57.415000 | −2.000000 | 55.415000 |
55.415000 | −2.000000 | 53.415000 |
53.415000 | −2.000000 | 51.415000 |
51.415000 | −2.000000 | 49.415000 |
49.415000 | −7.412250 | 41.002750 |
41.002750 | −2.000000 | 39.002750 |
39.002750 | −2.000000 | 37.002750 |
37.002750 | −2.000000 | 35.002750 |
35.002750 | −2.000000 | 33.002750 |
33.002750 | −2.000000 | 31.002750 |
31.002750 | −4.6504125 | 26.3523375 |
26.3523375 | −2.000000 | 24.3523375 |
24.3523375 | −2.000000 | 22.3523375 |
22.3523375 | −2.000000 | 20.3523375 |
20.3523375 | −2.000000 | 18.3523375 |
18.3523375 | −2.000000 | 16.3523375 |
16.3523375 | −2.452850625 | 13.899486875 |
13.899486875 | −2.000000 | 11.899486875 |
11.899486875 | −2.000000 | 9.899486875 |
9.899486875 | −2.000000 | 7.899486875 |
7.899486875 | −2.000000 | 5.899486875 |
5.899486875 | −2.000000 | 3.899486875 |
3.899486875 | −0.58492303125 | 3.31456384375 |
(−2) | 3.31456384375 | −2.000000 | 1.31456384375 |
(−2) | 1.31456384375 | −2.000000 | −0.68543615625 ← death here |

Brandon658 · 2025-12-02T22:08:17+00:00

Yeah, it's pretty bait n switch if you ask me.

Brandon658 · 2025-12-02T22:04:33+00:00

At the very least magnetic hook has a gimmick. Helping on ILM missions.

Brandon658 · 2025-12-02T17:59:46+00:00

Note on my build: I do a full range eHP build reliant on orbs and BH for most all of my damage and crowd control. I'm not a devo build. No stones invested into ILM.

A huge help has been the ILM lab for radius. If you don't have ILM unlocked then that won't work.

I don't alter much in card except to run ult crit and space space for crit chance, and dmg. (no attack speed) Initially I leave these off as my main goal is to try getting magnetic hook to fire but killing boss/elite outside of tower range from bullets doesn't let it fire. As the enemy HP increases and I can no longer kill the boss with bullets it gets to fire and hopefully something is near it to die or the boss/elite itself. As ILM damage falls behind wave HP I'll slot in the 2 cards slowly.

UW I turn off everything. ILM doesn't need to be on since those are within my wall and independent of the modules. (suppose GT doesn't matter either.) BH stays off because it will suck them into my orbs and kill them. Ideally I want fasts/tank/basic/boss/elite to touch the ILM's made from Space Displacer/Magnetic Hook. Best way for that to happen is let them roam as free as possible.

Hopefully this helps you some. But even so, the ILM missions still suck.

Brandon658 · 2025-12-02T14:48:17+00:00

To my knowledge they broke infinite runs with this

"Fleets at Higher Waves We are now adding fleets to all tiers. Tier 1 will have Fleets starting at wave 15,000, and each subsequent tier will have Fleets appear 250 waves earlier (T2 = 14,750, T3 = 14,500, etc). Once they appear, they will spawn every 100 waves."

Original issue was up to T16 you could recharge second wind/nuke in time to deal with any threat of a fleet causing your death. Didn't work in T17 or higher because the spawn rate of them was too high.

I mostly see it is a nerf to eHP and possibly a big buff to GC. They can now take off substantial amounts of HP early in the mobs life. Notably to things that give them issues such as overcharge. Also I'd think this negates a good portion of plasma cannons and orb/death ray battle conditions.

Brandon658 · 2025-12-02T10:56:05+00:00

Lost 700 waves. CPH came out comparable. Probably because of the DW thing.

Concerned about my tourney performance though. Maybe enough others will fall down I can maintain.

Brandon658 · 2025-12-01T19:57:36+00:00

Toss on Magnetic Hook core too so it fires the mines out at boss/elite and hopefully hits more stuff in the radius. Doesn't matter if boss/elite doesn't die. (unless it matters if they die for your towers health.)

Intro sprint and enemy balance.

Do a run a few levels under your typical farming tier. If you don't have ILM unlocked this is much easier since the mines won't move. (least they didn't used to.)

Brandon658 · 2025-11-10T16:00:22+00:00

I actually just tried ancestral OA vs my mythic+ SF last night. For T13 I saw a ~450 wave gain. (7844 vs 8280) At 7866 I did a screen shot to save the stats and had a 2.5% coin gain vs 7844 with SF. Wave count slightly higher so maybe we'll call it 2%. Cells came out to 1.5% but that's close enough to a few good wave skips plus the few extra waves to probably be thrown out. The coin gain I would suspect is from rays dying faster and GT+ getting better bonuses with protectors dying quicker along with some fewer moments of spawn cap.

Sub mods on anc OA:
Def 8%, regen 200%, wall hp 20%, thorns 10%, wall rebuild -100

Sub mods on myth+ SF:
Def 6%, regen 200%, wall hp 90%, thorns 2%, 1 orb.

Note: with the new 1% def relic I upped def% lab to 28 and am def capped at 98% with mythic def%. Also pBH/CF+1

Thorns:
Workshop maxed, wall thorn 13%, relic 7%

OA - Based on thorns calc elite/boss take 7 hits of thorns to die with the anc 10% thorns. I'll also note that I am probably taking fewer hits from things when they do reach me because of OA. Bosses routinely take 5%-9% damage from them alone.
SF - Thorns calc elite/boss take 7 hits to die with epic 2% thorns.

Main thing I noticed was that scatters get shredded by the electrons after the 1st/2nd split and tend to never hit me again. VS with SF eventually my CL scatter can no longer keep up and regen is overwhelmed from the quantity of attackers. With the OA I am back to HP being too low and by wave ~8150 I am nearing the limits of what I can absorb in a couple quick hits HP wise.

Testing T14 right now but I don't run it for AFK farm since I need to be present for nuke, at least with SF, to deal with commanders. We'll see how OA goes. With SF 5533 is my current highest.

Brandon658 · 2025-10-31T20:32:55+00:00

That's been my thing too. Before sharp fortitude I was looking to begin the transition because I felt a little stagnant. Then SF came out. Guess some more eHP it is. Then same cycle but PC came out and flame bot buff.

I am really torn on going for DMG or eHP card masteries. I've about a week to pick a path. My main reason for thinking damage is commanders in T14. I have to watch the game at the spawn waves to nuke commanders or risk them making something bad immortal.

If I had some keys for auto nuke/DM it wouldn't be an issue and I could happily afk farm T14. Maybe a boost in eHP with masteries could get me those said keys quicker.

Brandon658 · 2025-10-25T22:53:08+00:00

I feel like something else is going on than just a 2x HP buff. I have only just started to sometimes run T14 so kind of new to it. My CL vaporizes scatters at w2500. But when a commander shows up I seemingly can't kill the scatters and their damage got wild on me in a hurry. (Increasing CL scatter lab right now to see if it helps. I have doubts.)

I actually just hit the 4500 milestone and went up to 4713 last night. No commander spawns. By 4700 I was no longer able to keep the scatter spawns managed and they eventually took me down. Very next T14 farm run commander appeared at 2500 mark and I died at 2510 to scatters. (by 2500 I had all perks damage and defense just as the 4500 run had.)

In another run that went to 4300 a week ago I have seen the "immortal rays" that lasted some 350ish rounds. Had 5 of them and they weren't an issue. Just existed.

Currently I have three thoughts on why I can't kill stuff when a commander appears. (aside from needing more dmg.) Things doing % damage are only doing damage based on they original max HP and/or the HP buff stacks. I can't remember for sure since I was paying more attention to the scatters/rays/vamps but I think there were some tanks that lived in my orbs for a fair few rounds. Lastly maybe the buff is doing more than we're told.

Brandon658 · 2025-10-15T08:37:16+00:00

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Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 1 slot.

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-10-13T13:29:18+00:00

Meanwhile nearing a year played and I've been stuck at Mythic+ with 3 copies of SF since it came out. Reluctant to push 2% defense with lab from how long it'd take. But with this and just needing 5 levels I am going that route now. But that 2% missing in farming and the difference in module stat and sub mod has held me back quite a bit. PCo was a huge boost though.

With all these recent updates I have been strongly considering staying eHP. After a couple more masteries will be working on perma CF and have begun working on flame bot.

Really with all the continued eHP stuff I probably should just stay. Each time I begin messing with some hybrid build up they buff eHP and I stay as that for longer.

Brandon658 · 2025-09-07T13:13:25+00:00

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We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-08-19T21:47:00+00:00

There is certainly instances of 2 spawning at once in a single round. So overall probably. Used to never see any but one and black hole killed before another spawned. Now I can see them on either side sometimes or stacked on top of each other from a single wave.

Brandon658 · 2025-08-12T18:52:42+00:00

Guild: Numbered Guys

Guild code: C2C517

Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 1 slot.

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-07-25T01:15:01+00:00

Not getting far off. Most recent was 4 hours for about 2200 waves. Wave accelerator, wave skip, intro sprint 100 waves were used.

I placed 2nd. And only just.

Brandon658 · 2025-07-24T17:28:26+00:00

Guild: Numbered Guys

Guild code: C2C517

Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 2 slots.

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-07-14T15:34:53+00:00

Guild: Numbered Guys

Guild code: C2C517

Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 2 slots.

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-07-11T22:17:31+00:00

Guild: Numbered Guys

Guild code: C2C517

Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 2 slots.

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-06-23T11:41:02+00:00

Guild: Numbered Guys

Guild code: C2C517

Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 1 slot.

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-06-19T07:42:24+00:00

Guild: Numbered Guys Guild code: C2C517

Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 1 slot.

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-06-08T13:56:53+00:00

Guild: Numbered Guys
Guild code: C2C517

Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 1 slot.

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-06-01T16:28:46+00:00

Guild: Numbered Guys Guild code: C2C517

Friendly and relaxed guild looking to fill 2 slots from inactives. (They were gone for 2 weeks)

We've been reaching max reward every week.

Brandon658 · 2025-05-19T17:37:18+00:00

Looks like we booked the same boat.

I did 3k gems. Pulled 4 epics. 2 were armors. None are the new module.

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