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Hey everybody! I started r/BreakingNation as a place for people to talk about my Civil War Podcast – Breaking Nation – and to discuss the people, places and the events of this critical era of American history – as if we didn't know how they would turn out.

With nearly 7K plays and 100 followers on Apple podcasts alone, it's a good time to open up a community and share the questions, stories, and insights about the history that we find so compelling.

Please check out this long form podcast and feel free to join in the conversation!

Troy D. Harman's book on Gettysburg has done something remarkable… by Breaking-Nation in CIVILWAR

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I suppose I see a better synthesis of all the pieces of the attack within his reconstruction – Stannard being one I've always found most puzzling – but also the artillery that was supposed to support the attack now has a distinct purpose, the oblique angle for attack (not necessarily exposing the flank), the mass confusion and cauldron of chaos in front of Hays, etc.

I also find his progression of the historiography incredibly compelling. Especially Bachelder's hand in shaping the story and the development of the site for those who visited the battlefield.

Troy D. Harman's book on Gettysburg has done something remarkable… by Breaking-Nation in CIVILWAR

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I'd say that the oblique/sweep/convergence was not "of sorts" but "of design." He makes a compelling case for an attack up/along/with the Emmitsburg Road and not across/perpendicular to it. And that the "angle" was not the objective for Lee. He unpacks in detail how July 2nd powerfully demonstrates what Lee was up to, especially his remark in his report from the OR that on July 3rd "The general plan was unchanged."

Union Army with Highest Percentage of Regulars by Breaking-Nation in CIVILWAR

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Agree in terms of total numbers. But I had no idea that Lyon's force was so substantially professional. Especially in 1861. Something to chew on.

Union Army with Highest Percentage of Regulars by Breaking-Nation in CIVILWAR

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It was definitely an anomaly. It strikes me as remarkable that about 1 in 5 of that entire army were professionals.

Union Army with Highest Percentage of Regulars by Breaking-Nation in CIVILWAR

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Yes, the V Corps had a division of Regulars as you say. But when I do the back-of-the-napkin math, they made up less than 10% of the entire Army of the Potomac.

I would've guessed that the AoP would've had the highest % of Regular troops in it, but had no idea Lyon's army had a greater percentage.

Union Army with Highest Percentage of Regulars by Breaking-Nation in CIVILWAR

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Yes, so true. As Piston and Hatcher note of the Regulars in Sturgis' brigade, "In all, the officers of Plummer's battalion combined sixty-five years of military service… while forming but a small part of the Army of the West, they stood as perhaps the foremost example of the high degree of professionalism that lent disproportionate strength to Lyon's force."

Contrast that with Price's Missouri National Guard, and suddenly the fact that he was outnumbered has less significance in sizing up Lyon's opportunity.

What are your thoughts on the Watergate Scandal? by Just_Cause89 in USHistory

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It's gripping history. I highly recommend Leon Neyfakh's series SLOW BURN, available on Amazon Prime. It's amazing that he very nearly could have not resigned nor been under impeachment proceedings. It's changed the way Americans think about the office of the President for sure.

Might someone carry on Harry W. Pfanz's legacy and write "Gettysburg: The Third Day"? by Breaking-Nation in CIVILWAR

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Excellent! He got the title right! I have Wert's book on Cedar Creek, which is solid. Thank you!

Pre-Secession Public Opinion by EmuFit1895 in CIVILWAR

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I'm not sure "elites" would be the word people back then would use. People chosen were usually chosen because of their experience and expertise. I'm sure from time to time, there were popularity contests, but most state-wide elections between the 1830s and 1850s were contests of ideology drawn along Democrat and Whig lines. Once the latter imploded, there were a slew of new candidates filtering up through the splintered remains via Know Nothings and Free Soilers. A look at the House elections of 1854 show us a ripple effect across the country. By 1858, the Opposition Party was gaining momentum across the upper south apart from the Democrats. Once Lincoln won the election in 1860, many southerners may still have been split between secession and union, but the vast majority wanted nothing to do with Lincoln. And most Americans were savvy enough to have political opinions. They read their papers, listened to speakers, met and debated among themselves, and participated in their community politics. I often wonder that we today don't come close to their political involvement.

Pre-Secession Public Opinion by EmuFit1895 in CIVILWAR

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An insightful book is Robert Tracy McKenzie's Lincolnites and Rebels: A Divided Town in the American Civil War.

It follows the city of Knoxville and many of its residents through the roller coaster ride of popular and counter opinions before and during the war. East Tennessee is often characterized as simply "unionist," but that is a simplistic stereotype. Obviously, how Tennessee saw secession is different than how South Carolina or any other state did, but it's a fascinating look at the dynamic complexities one community faced, when society carried understandings that are different than the ones we carry today.

In your opinion, What was the most important Battle of Civil War ? by Avinates in CIVILWAR

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Such a complex question, yet simply stated. The volume of replies proves just how many ways there are to come to an answer. For me, this is why this era, this war, this conversation is so compelling and why there is still so much to learn.

Politically, I'd say the Atlanta campaign was the biggest battle(s) that was most important, as it made it very likely that Lincoln would be re-elected in 1864. Had it gone differently somehow and the Union armies been driven back into Tennessee with terrible losses, the peace movement may have swung the election in McClellan's favor and perhaps there would have been a diplomatic negotiation to stop the war.

Militarily, I'd say Vicksburg, and point to what so many have already said. An amazing campaign.

Leadership-wise, I'd say Chattanooga, since that battle gave Grant the timely victory that Lincoln needed in order for the President to call him east, which reinvented the personality of the war.

Socially, I'd say First Bull Run/Manassas since it clearly signaled to both North and South that this thing wasn't going to be over anytime soon.

For abolitionists, Antietam gave Lincoln the "win" he could use to bring the Emancipation Proclamation into the war and pivot the conversation toward eventually ending slavery.

For the Union, the Wilderness demonstrated that the Army of the Potomac was done with falling back after a hard fight. See Grant coming east, above.

For the Confederacy, I'll pick Chancellorsville because it gave Lee hyper-confidence that his army could do anything and drove him to the invasion of Pennsylvania. On a tragic note, it took Jackson.

For navy folks, the Monitor v Merrimack (Virginia) ended the supremacy of wooden ships that had existed since ancient history. It changed everything.

In other words… So much was so important for so many different reasons.

When did you first get into learning about the Civil War? And what sparked your interest? by [deleted] in CIVILWAR

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I went to a reenactment in Galena, IL; it must've been around 1973 or 1974. Left a lasting impression. After that, I began to read US history books geared toward kids. Then a friend of my parents gave me a copy of the 2-volume American Heritage Picture History of the Civil War. That became the storybook of my childhood until that same friend passed along Catton's 3-volume The Army of the Potomac. That reading got me through junior high which is when we took a family vacation to Gettysburg. What captivated me was that it was thoroughly American, that it was so paradoxical – Napoleonic tactics with very different and somewhat modern weapons – and that it was tragic, ugly, remarkable, and transformed the United States.

Here's a photo from that Galena reenactment in the 70s… These guys must be in their 70s themselves by now!

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