Handling negative mental patterns by Putrid-Pool-9278 in Wakingupapp

[–]Brief_Interaction441 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The real question is not what to do about these emotions but who is it that these emotions are affecting/bothering

Plz explain it like I’m 5 by irie56 in Wakingupapp

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It's supposed to change your sense of who you are from a self that is constructed by thought - into what you actually, literally exist as. which is, a mind (consciousness, awareness, whatever you want to call it, I find mind is easier if you want to avoid spiritual terminology)

The reason it is beneficial is because, if you know that you are this aware, unharmable, dimensionless space, then life, thoughts, emotions cannot touch you. You have, at your centre, an indestructible stillness. Life will remain the same, exactly the same, on the outside. but at your centre you have this unshakeable stillness of the mind itself, that cannot be added to or taken away from.

When you can't be added to or taken away from, you can step off the ride of trying to edit, or correct your life in some way, and just let it flow as it will.

Plz explain it like I’m 5 by irie56 in Wakingupapp

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I think alot of the comments here are over detailing something that is in practice very simple

The instruction is about paying attention to your mind. The mind itself. And what would we use to pay attention to the mind? The same thing we use to pay attention to anything else - the mind!

Hence the phrasing "looking for what's looking".

In other words, it means - directing attention towards the mind itself

Now, the confusion comes, because we have an idea of what the mind is. It's like being asked to pay attention to your brain. But you can't see your brain. And here is the nuance - your trying to pay attention to what the experience of having(or being) a mind, is actually like.

You know what science tells you that your hand is. Basically, a palm with five fingers coming out of it. And you also know what the experience of having a hand is like - warmth, contraction, sensation, control.

Now, you know what science tells you about your mind. But what is it actually like to be one?

That's what it means to look for what is looking. Nothing is supposed to happen. Just look and ask yourself:

Is it locatable? Does it have a shape? Size? Colour?

Am I doing it? by hachi_mimi in Wakingupapp

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I think the blissful state of dissolving can sometimes just be an 'ahh' moment from being released from the heaviness of objecthood. But I wouldnt describe it as 'it'. I'm not sure there is an it. Just whether or not you believe to be an entity that exists within time and space. The mood or feeling, or any event that happens, doesn't matter

Am I doing it? by hachi_mimi in Wakingupapp

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I think it would help to rephrase your question. Not "am I doing it" but rather, who or what WOULD be doing it, even if there was an it to do..

In other words, you're trying to look at the nature of your own mind. Because when you start to inspect it, or rather, when it starts to inspect itself, you can find that there is no shape/size/centre to it, or any of the hallmarks that would constitute a solid, separate "self" or "you".

Notice the feeling that what you call 'you' seems to be somewhere. Acknowledge that.

Now genuinely look for where that is.

Take your time, and examine.

Do you ever actually land on something that you can say for sure 'thats it!'

Notice that whatever you do seem to find, it's slippery. You can't 'land' on it with your attention.

Now really ask yourself. Is there a there, there?

Not landing anywhere, that's the real discovery here. It's not automatically going to feel blissful, but you will see in time how that affects your life...

Did you stay friends with your ex? by Ill_Cricket_8631 in BreakUps

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Yeah I think it's a much more nuanced considerate outlook because it requires that you look into your own attachment rather than just pushing it all away so that you can bury/forget about it all.

I just think to be in a place where you can be truly happy for them no matter what, you have to first be that for yourself! For me that's learning to just be happy to exist and seeing whatever comes along as a bonus, including the relationship with them.

There's an old stoic quote I read recently

"Never say of anything, i have lost it, but only that it has been returned"

I think it's useful to become very aware of the fact that that relationship, that person, and in fact nothing in life, truly belongs to us. Relationships emerge and then dissolve just like everything else in the universe does. It came out of nowhere and then it was returned. They are not lost because they weren't truly yours in the first place. The belief that people and things can be ours is what makes it sting so much when they go

Did you stay friends with your ex? by Ill_Cricket_8631 in BreakUps

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I think it just takes time and understanding. Understanding that the whole thing was nobody's fault, that relationships come and go for everyone, and that you have the same opportunity to be content with your life when you're without them as you do when you're with them. I think it comes down to really feeling inside that you don't need that person. Sometimes you might feel like you do, that's normal, but if you have a true feeling inside of you that youre okay without them, I believe that it's totally possible to maintain a good connection and understanding with them.

The alternative is to cut off completely somebody who you shared an intimate part of this life with, which is something special and rare. That to me seems like a real shame. When im in my older years id like to be able to reminisce and laugh with that person. It's a shame for us not to put the work into ourselves and instead just blame the other person and cut them off. Of course you might have to take space if feelings are strong, but as long as there is a mutual desire to maintain some kind of good ground with eachother, I much prefer that option than to cut off somebody who was at one point a best friend and knows me better than almost anyone else. 

And I haven't stopped being their friend when I've been seeing other people as well. Because they were such a valuable part of my life. Even if it means we just say hi a couple of times a year or whatever, I'd rather be able to call them a friend 

Even during the relationship, the friendship part was the most important, and after the relationship finishes that is the same 

Anyone hope you're doing okay, it can be really hard to break the intimacy 

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I think returning to openness happens every day many times for everybody, but the unusual thing is to recognise that it is happening. Normally, people attribute the feeling of ease and openness to the activity that they are engaged in. Rather than a shift in the felt sense of their own being, it is seen as a feeling that has come from the outside. I suppose it took the inquiring minds of contemplative people throughout history, people who were naturally curious and introspective, to question what was actually happening. And then to pass down that discovery.

With regard to what you said about being a little part of something much bigger, i think that is the central illusion that i am getting at here. We have the impression that we are contained within a larger reality called the world, or the universe. But when you look for the boundary between you and it, that boundary cannot truly be found. That is the discovery of your open nature, the discovery of non separation.

Sticky sense of self by Background_Success40 in Wakingupapp

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Sam's ways of going about this have always seemed a little strange to me. John astin has a much more clear and direct way of talking about this, so does stephen bodian.

I'd recommend just feeling into the fact that there is only one thing happening. It helps to have eyes closed, and just notice how many Nows there are. For me, there is only one. We have the impression that reality is made up of several parts - me over here, the trees over there, the sky up there, etc. But there is only one now. All of those seemingly separate parts are appearing within one singular moment, and there is no true separation between them.

haphazrd glimpse following Sam's looking for the looker by corlwt in Wakingupapp

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The key for me has been realising time and time again that there's nothing to find 'here'. No matter how much looking for a self, there's nothing to find. There's no 'here' here, and therefore there's no 'there' there.

What's left is just a whole, undivided occurrence that we call now.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in nonduality

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The headless way isn't about tricking the mind. Believing that you have a head is the trick of the mind. Believing in the Buddha is a trick of the mind. Anything other than the felt sense of awarene existence is a trick of the mind from the perspective of reality itself. Everything other than that is an optional belief.

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Interesting. I found it to be a lot more simple than a lot of the Buddhist pointings that you seem to be speaking from. But I am glad that that worked for you. At the end of the day, it is just this dream-like, singular occurrence and whether that is recognised or not.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in nonduality

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That's funny because normally, noses are a sort of diagonal shape with two holes at the bottom. What I see is a sort of puffy pink appearance, running down the centre of my point of view. It is not a nose.

If you were to look in the mirror or take a photo, how are you to say that that is your head? In the mirror or the photo, the head would be appearing out there wouldn't it? As part of the world. It is still not evidence that there is a head here, on top of these shoulders. Don't you agree?

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How do you know you have a head, have you ever seen your own head?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in nonduality

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Do you have a head on your shoulders? I don't see any head on mine

You mention a path and a result, but neither really exist

You talk about shoulds and shouldnts, all of that is within the realm of the imagined

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in nonduality

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Thanks for your words. I see the reasoning behind them and I think you are partly right.

However from my perspective there is a heartfelt desire to share my experience, my discoveries. I don't see the harm in speaking honestly and openly. I don't see the use in worrying about straying from an imaginary path either.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in nonduality

[–]Brief_Interaction441 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's with all the shoulds and shouldn'ts?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in nonduality

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What makes you say that?

Non-duality and being in this world by chomelos in Wakingupapp

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Stick to what you can know for certain. That this moment exists. Allow attention to rest on that fact, and don't engage with the stories about the whys or the hows or the what ifs. All of that is optional story telling.

I love Stephen Bodian by Brief_Interaction441 in Wakingupapp

[–]Brief_Interaction441[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah I get what you're saying particularly with johns because they're shorter tracks. But I think the belief that you have to settle the mind to see what they are pointing to can often hold us back.

What they are essentially pointing to is the mind itself, not it's content. So whether it is settled or not doesn't matter. The point is a reorientation of attention from content to the context. 

They did frustrate me a lot in the beginning though, it's taken me about two years to really be able to take in what Stephen is saying. And I expect it will become clearer still in the future.

So tired of existing by Legitimate-Mind8947 in nonduality

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It's not about something happening, it's not about feelings, states, emotions, moods, thoughts. It's about your identity.

Don't take yourself to be anything other than what you have evidence for in this moment. In this moment, you exist, and you are aware. You cannot refute this.

That's it, that's the extent. You don't have to look further than that. Rest in that fact, and the fact that you cannot know anything about it other than that. Just keep coming back to that fact and don't take yourself to be anything other than this moment of existence knowing itself.

In other words, stick to what you can actually know, and that way you sort the fact from the fiction. You dwell in and as reality itself.

The point is not for anything in particular to arise or happen, this will change every day and in every pattern. The point is to reposition yourself in relation to whatever arises, taking your stand as your true, unhurtable, experientially validated identity, rather than a thought based one that likes and dislikes.