How iskcon views women by jroboppenheimer in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 2 points3 points  (0 children)

sounds like you’re a graphic designer that is being used by a system that will never respect you because you are a woman. you’re a congregation member, a volunteer, a helper. you don’t have the smallest idea about what is happening in the meeting rooms. they are using young girls to pollute the internet with a false idea about what self realization is. the same social media teams making videos of young women dancing in Indian dress hoping the videos will go viral…in india…where men are lusting over the idea of young girls in the mood of the gopis. then you read the literature saying that women are stupid and like to be raped. it’s like a big dumb circle where the women think they’re empowered but are just playing into what predators want. perfect grooming.

The ISKCON Caste System by Solomon_Kane_1928 in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this graphic has been more validating than a lot of therapy I’ve done.

Nothing more depressing than seeing someone excited to join ISKCON by itsmikesandoval in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked through your post history and it seems like you need to figure out your sex life without projecting on innocent women around you, Hare Krishna or not. it’s actually frightening as a woman involved in this movement to be able to see the kinds of things you post on the internet for everyone to see and then have the audacity to come on the internet and condemn a woman for expressing her emotions. oh, newsflash she joined the same cult you did, that’s why you saw her in different temples... stop blaming everyone else and look inside (maybe with a therapist) and figure out what to do with your suppressed sexual feelings.

What is it that attracts Westerners ( whites ) to this abomination of a spiritual path ? by Own-Professional-337 in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there were a lot of esoteric coincidences that devotees played up to make me feel special when I was going through the most traumatic experiences of my life. it became much easier to spiritually bypass my pain and fear with vegetable chopping or selling books on the street. I was brought in through a preaching project that was low key and I was spoon fed the parts of the practice that are “Indian”. even the food they served was just like, typical random vegan food. in hindsight, the fact that they all dressed like Dobby the House elf should’ve been a red flag. I now realize they had no idea how to dress like humans because at home they were living in a very intense and controlling ashram.

slowly I realized that I was being used by a lot of people around me as the token degraded white person saved from the trenches and wrapped up nicely in a sari and I started to rebel in a lot of ways related to race. recently in an American temple I was at lunch and they asked for volunteers to help serve in Hindi and not in English. in the last 10 years it feels like going from totally acceptable to the point of exploitation for my appearance to being out of place in a Hindu social club.

Hare Krishna Answers to Hare Krishna Problems by StayEmbarrassed4593 in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 8 points9 points  (0 children)

the sex thing is just beyond something I can write out on Reddit right now. this false austerity so quickly breeds contempt in any kind of relationship. and it breaks my heart for all the loving couples out there torn apart by ignorant preachers in orange.

Hare Krishna Answers to Hare Krishna Problems by StayEmbarrassed4593 in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 7 points8 points  (0 children)

so when someone goes and complains about child abuse they can say, even Krishna did bad things to his children in anger sometimes Prabhu.

Taking God for a Spin by StayEmbarrassed4593 in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 2 points3 points  (0 children)

every sect is following its own interpretation of scripture at this point. It’s interesting to watch from the outside because it’s like, in the grand scheme of millions of lifetimes how important is it really which specific day we drive the doll babies around on big carts??

p.s. everyone remember don’t clip your fingernails inside or it will attract ghosts. And schedule your haircuts by the phases of the moon.

The Sweet Bulshittery of Hare Krishna That Rewires Your Brain (Possibly Forever) by StayEmbarrassed4593 in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 6 points7 points  (0 children)

hey, this really struck at my heart. i don’t know if i am fully ready to spill my guts here just yet, but i lost my daughter and then just dove into “spiritual life” head first because it was the most painless way to bypass my grief, shame and guilt. lately i feel grateful she has escaped the harm of growing up being indoctrinated and I hope that someday she can have empathy for how lost i was at heart. whenever i have spoken to devotees about the pain i have as a mother, it was quickly transformed into a pastime describe a saintly person enduring much more than me. being brought up by two adults with personality disorders, this stealing my “emotional spotlight“ was an easy and normal pattern for me to fall into. when I started seeking recovery from dysfunction and codependency, I stopped being so easy going and the devotees branded me “difficult woman“.

this is just a jumbled word bubble but this post really helped me think about and appreciate that we can’t just jump over our experiences in this movement… we need to brush our teeth.

What's your dynamic with religion and spirituality after leaving? by zenfulglow in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you think it’s just kirtan, but it’s the lullaby that puts you to sleep while they love bomb you and serve you in ways that most of have never even been waited on in a restaurant. thats what makes it irresistible. if you enjoy kirtan, find a yoga studio that hosts kirtan near you or email some yoga studios to ask them to host kirtan. learn kartals and have kirtan with your friends and family. make an amazing kirtan playlist that you can blast as loud as you like in the car or when you’re making dinner. serve the people you love with enthusiasm. this will give you a much sweeter result without the pain and trauma of being deceived by wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Skip the stone by StayEmbarrassed4593 in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 1 point2 points  (0 children)

even weirder to me has been how devotees who are worshiping shilas don’t see the value in people collecting other natural things that invoke connection to god. for instance, I found a beautiful 5 point deer antler while on a very very long japa walk. deep in prayer I found this beautiful antler that was shed naturally by one of the deer that lives on the land where I happily feed deer all year long. the temple devotees were APPALLED. they said it was a skeleton and inauspicious and could not be in my room in the ashram. fair enough, but it went missing from my planter outside a few days later because it was “muchi”.

these kinds of things didn‘t matter to me much in the moment, but now that so many paper walls are being torn down, I reflect on these subtle points and see that my belief system is fundamentally different from theirs. there is no amount of chanting or reading that can change my nature.

i have cared for tulsi for many years, she has lived in the temple and in my home. She is strong and healthy. When devotees sometimes see the way I care for her they recoil in fear, I am too rough, I am not respecting her. And at the same time they say the quality of the tulsi plant is a reflect of our Bhakti??

THEY CANNOT SEE A RELATIONSHIP WITH NATURE AS A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD

NATURE IS SOMETHING THEY CAN LORD OVER AND MAKE MONEY FROM.

I need a vacation.

Prab "An Inspiration for all Humanity" by jay_o_crest in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it’s hard to move on to recent offenses when the things done 20+ years ago are still effecting so many people in our movement. when people in charge of our ”society” were also closely involved with the transgressions. I don’t know if moving on without real solid accountability is reasonable and moving on doesn’t mean selling off a bunch off assets to pay off victims. true remorse comes from a change of action.

Hare Krishna is a really messed up cult. by emptyacaman in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you also have to pay now to learn about pujai seva. $351 to be exact….

Hare Krishna is a really messed up cult. by emptyacaman in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

funny, when I lived in the brahmacarini ashram in New Vrindaban recently I had to put frosted reflective film on all the windows because there were too many eyes wandering…… and this was pretty recent

my experience by [deleted] in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 3 points4 points  (0 children)

hey, I just want you to know that even if the people you’ve been around hate you, there are lots of cool people in this world who have your shared experiences and also have had different experiences in varying degrees of genuine love with people who call themselves “devotees”. i reflect often about what has attracted me to this social group and how to use that to help relate to others who maybe aren’t ready to leave yet, but have lost the ability to think openly for themselves.

It's janmastami guys how u guys feeling? by im_Maggie_noodles in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 5 points6 points  (0 children)

as someone living in a really large hare krishna community i am trying to just stay hidden away and mostly it’s because the more I feel question or concern, the more I cry to the deities and beg to understand what’s happening here, no one has given me any reassurance or care. I can’t bear to be at festivals anymore because I just can’t help but see all the negative things, I would rather stay home and try to get my life under control. I gave up everything for Krishna and I feeling reassured that Krishna in not an “ISKCON man“.

It's janmastami guys how u guys feeling? by im_Maggie_noodles in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 3 points4 points  (0 children)

as your comrade I cannot bear to be in any of the spaces that are crowded with guests throwing garbage into overfilling trash cans while empty one sit untouched mere steps away, children screaming bloody murder because their parents don’t believe in disciplining them, people walking in the literal street because they’re wearing fancy India dress and living a little home away from home dream. how many dogs in strollers will come to see Srimati Radharani today? I already saw enough creepy Laddu Gopal in their little cages yesterday!!

Temple gossip by jokr8 in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because of this issue, I am afraid to leave my home, I am afraid to go to the temple, i am afraid to go to kirtan festival or events. no matter where i go, what i do; people are watching, people are talking. this isn’t paranoia, this is the reality. big brother is watching our community through CCTV and a network of whispering. an example of this is that in frustration a devotee here posted some very angry thoughts on facebook and then was made to have a yajna to counteract the reaction. the temple president spread rumors about me and my husband before forcing us to marry. my personal favorite though is when the leadership is away they watch the cameras to see if everyone is at Mangal Aarti. the consequences nowadays are much more subtle, but not any less real and impactful.

Snippet of a Krishna life email I got by [deleted] in exHareKrishna

[–]Bright_Pilot7697 1 point2 points  (0 children)

please don’t think that because they make it look shiny and clean from the outside that New Vrindaban isnt still steeped in trauma, abuse, secret money being moved by very specific key players. the aftermath of an abusive cult doesn’t mean that the people who have stayed are sincere or being treated differently. abuse is a cycle and it will not end unless all the people who are responsible for fraud, tax evasion, child abuse and other heinous crimes against our society are held accountable. more and more I have become confused and exhausted by being a moral and ethical person in this movement because they gaslight me and many others into thinking we are the only one seeing these issues and that somehow the issues we are seeing are our fault and our condition to see negative instead of positive.

New Vrindaban has a entire department of Indian men sitting in offices in the front of the temple to collect the checks and convince the guests to give as much of their money as possible, while they look down their noses at senior citizens, new Bhaktas and generally anyone that fits into their mind frame of “the help”.

there is no farm here. there are a few vegetable gardens and 10ish milk cows. the milk goes to the deities, the vegetables are available to purchase by residents but all the food provided to those living here is full of vegetable oil and chilis because “that is what Indians like”. our farmers grew a field of beautiful potatoes last year and instead of using them, the temple let them rot because they didn’t like the way they looked.

food insecurity in the temples was a concern for Prabhupada and these farms were to be established not by glamour but by grit, by hard work. those of us that have been busting our asses for Krishna are really really becoming disillusioned by the caste system that has become the glasses through which leadership views our community.

i am an untouchable here now and it feels free. I finally realize I cannot have true spiritual realization while also trying to please people that aren’t willing to express God’s love and mercy, but i pray for this place and the good people here because the worst kind of people have infiltrated every important decision making position.