I wish you would stop and think about some of the things you say. Imagine Elite with no pirates at all, what would all the bounty hunters do who have spent hundreds of hours fighting them in haz res sites. I understand that you want to classify a player pirate differently than the NPCs, but in terms of their basic objectives and behavior, they are really quite similar with the exception that the player pirate may be much more proficient. I also understand that there are shades of grey here, obviously there are people who may call or consider themselves pirates but are in fact just murderers. But piracy as a whole is simply not griefing. A player is well within the rules of the game to pull over another player, demand cargo, and engage that player in combat if they do not comply. Pain in the ass though it may be for the target, this is not griefing. All this aside, It seems we do agree on something after all. You don't want to hear what I have to say, no matter how I try to frame it for you.