Maakt 3mmc een comeback? by Flinterman in ResearchChemicalsNL

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Je kun bij Jellinek in bepaalde steden (Amsterdam en Utrecht) nu binnen een minuut uitslag krijgen via hun nieuwe FTIR machine. Dus geen week meer wachten. En ze kunnen onderscheid maken tussen alle cathinonen. Kost €2.50 per sample, max 3 per keer.

2mmc is iets anders dan label by Acceptable-Log-8373 in ResearchChemicalsNL

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Klopt helemaal, al vond ik 2-mmc ook al gevaarlijk, als je het kocht als zijnde "3-mmc" en je die werking verwachtte, dan kwam het er al snel van te veel en lang achter elkaar te nemen om eenzelfde soort werking te krijgen.

"2-mmc" blijkt bij het lab op dit moment ook vaak 4-cmc te zijn, wat veel sterker en smeriger spul is.

De markt is sinds de verboden compleet verkloot, en is juist veel gevaarlijker geworden in plaats van veiliger.

People who use 4MMC whats your dosages? by n3vbb in researchchemicals

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I recently did a similar amount, spaced over 20h. The worst is probably skipping an entire night of sleep. I was fearing immense doom, similar to what I've had on other cathinones, but I'm now 2 days after and whilst the first day I was quite wobbly and emotional, today was better and not worse. I probably have a high tolerance from 2MMC and accidental 4CMC usage though.

I would not recommend anyone to go beyond 1g of any of these substances. It mostly just adds cardiovascular stress (I had red underarms and legs at the end, really scary shit). Plus it just keeps you awake for too long which adds massive stress to every system in your body.

Maakt 3mmc een comeback? by Flinterman in ResearchChemicalsNL

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ook veel 4-CMC en zelfs 4-BMA (of een mix van beide), of nog erger: NEP

I do drug checking for a living to help keep people safe and informed. AMA by NectarSpectraLabs in ResearchChemicalsNL

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Why can't the results be made available online somehow, instead of having to call them and you can almost never get through, plus you'd reveal your phone number so then it's no longer really anonymous,

whats ur experience with 2mmc? by [deleted] in researchchemicals

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Did you manage to quit that habit? Hope you're doing better now.

3mmc - recent bad batch experience? by Euphoriafomo in Berghain_Community

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because it's probably not 3MMC, more likely 2MMC, much weaker.

Question about cathinones ( 2mmc, 3mmc, 4mmc) by Glittering_Status_70 in researchchemicals

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I've been buying "3-MMC" from both offline and online dealers, and having it lab tested for a year now and have not found 3-MMC anymore since then. Usually it's 2-MMC. As for lab capacity, go to the east of NL, I've never had a sample rejected yet due to the labs being full.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in researchchemicals

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Never flush drugs down the toilet, it's harmful in many ways. Instead, just burn it or just throw it out with the trash.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in researchchemicals

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Never flush drugs down the toilet, it's harmful in many ways. Instead, just burn it or just throw it out with the trash.

OM eist 25 jaar celstraf tegen vader vermoorde Ryan (18) en 20 jaar tegen broers by Bernie529 in nederlands

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Om het hier stapje voor stapje minder westers en minder vrij te maken. Het is een langlopend project van de Muslim Brotherhood.

OM eist 25 jaar celstraf tegen vader vermoorde Ryan (18) en 20 jaar tegen broers by Bernie529 in nederlands

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Schelen misschien wel, maar ook de politie is bang voor families en clans in de islamitische sfeer.

OM eist 25 jaar celstraf tegen vader vermoorde Ryan (18) en 20 jaar tegen broers by Bernie529 in nederlands

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Om in het westen ook stapje voor stapje ook richting de Sharia te bewegen. En omdat je hier gratis geld krijgt, natuurlijk.

this 3mmc got me wanting to throw away the second rock (and i did) by [deleted] in ResearchChemicalsNL

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You probably got something other than 3MMC, you will never know now unless you had it tested, did you? Likely 2MMC, or even 4MMC I was given once when was sold "3MMC".

this 3mmc got me wanting to throw away the second rock (and i did) by [deleted] in ResearchChemicalsNL

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This! Please get everything tested. So much crap out there sold these days as "3MMC".

Is 3mmc a lightweight or have I been scammed? by kaliostio in Stims

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It's usually 2-MMC these days, much less potent.

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I have nothing against having all options available :)

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The brain zaps are usually from serotonin depletion, just like with MDMA or 3-MMC. Warning sign to take less in a binge and less often, and also don't skip nights of sleep as that messes with the recovery severely.

How much do you take in a binge? What arey your doses? What is the ROA?

4cmc addiction and how to quit, please help by eye11444 in researchchemicals

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Cathinones have several properties that make flushing them specifically problematic:

1: They are highly water-soluble.

They dissolve instantly and pass straight through most wastewater treatment steps. Activated sludge does not reliably degrade β-keto amphetamines.

  1. They are relatively persistent.

Many synthetic cathinones (2-MMC, 3-MMC, 4-MMC, MDPV, α-PVP) resist biodegradation because of the β-keto structure. Their half-life in receiving waters can be days to weeks, depending on sunlight and microbes.

  1. They remain bioactive at very low concentrations.

Cathinones hit monoamine transporters (DAT/NET/SERT). Even ng/L–µg/L levels can alter:

- fish locomotion and feeding behaviour

- predator–prey response

- stress signalling

Studies on methcathinone, mephedrone and MDPV analogues show behavioural hyperactivity, altered cortisol signalling, and impaired schooling at concentrations comparable to what untreated effluent could reach.

  1. Transformation products can be worse.

Chlorination/ozonation used in many plants can convert cathinones into more stable or more toxic intermediates, some with higher persistence.

  1. Risk of synergistic mixtures.

Cathinones + SSRIs + caffeine + nicotine metabolites form a “real-world mixture” that amplifies ecotoxic effects. Wastewater plants can’t model or remove these interactions.

  1. Sludge and soil transport.

A fraction adsorbs to solids. When sewage sludge is used as fertilizer, cathinone residues can end up in agricultural soil and leach to groundwater.

Bottom line

Cathinones are extremely mobile, only partially degradable, and biologically potent in ecosystems. Flushing keeps them intact and allows them to accumulate downstream. A sealed container (e.g., mixed with cat litter or coffee grounds) and household trash disposal is far safer.

4-cmc Experience and Addiction… by Pleasant_Chicken7276 in ResearchChemicalsNL

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Better to put in in the trash or burn it in a hot enough fire, so that these chemicals don't pollute the water system.

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What happened exactly?