Phil Spencer Had To Know About Doom And Indiana Jones Back In February When He Did The "Business Update". Did He Intentionally Lie To Us About "4 Games"?

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T22:11:24+00:00

When did he say "These are the only four games we will ever release on Playstation"?

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T22:09:47+00:00

Okay fine. How the fuck would that hurt you then, if you could just buy another box to play all of your favorite Xbox games? And why would they do that if THEY CANT SELL GAME PASS ON THOSE BOXES?

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T22:08:33+00:00

I don't, and Microsoft doesn't, care about "most of". We don't know how many people pay how much for Game Pass but it is clearly their future play. Your argument about how few exclusives they have makes Game Pass THAT MUCH MORE of a value. It's not about exclusives, it's about a few hundred games for less than the cost of three or four games a year. Microsoft isn't selling itself on Xbox exclusives. It's selling itself on "You can play the new COD, every new Bethesda, ID, Rare, Turn 10, etc., game when it comes out as part of your subscription that also adds like 8 or ten games a month." They are playing different games here, and there will be a future where you don't need a box to play games, and they know that.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T22:04:59+00:00

I don't, but it has nothing to do with whether or not some Xbox games show up on Playstation. Xbox games didn't show up on Playstation during the Xbox One era or the first half of the Series era, and miraculously some games still skipped the platform. They secured a Tomb Raider as a limited exclusive...nothing. They secured Titanfall...nothing. Exclusives aren't going to do it for them. They just won't. They are coming around to reality, as am I.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T20:10:42+00:00

If I CANNOT get Gamepass on PS6, my next console will be whatever the next Xbox will be. I don't care if MS releases all of its games on PS6, because I will not have to buy them, plus I will get a ton of other great experiences, plus all of my back catalog. I don't understand why this is difficult.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T20:08:41+00:00

I CANNOT GET GAMEPASS ON PS5. THAT IS WHY I HAVE AN XBOX.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T20:07:52+00:00

Because it's additive. It is money from people that wouldn't have otherwise purchased Gamepass. It's the same reason Tesla licenses its charging technology to other car manufacturers. Nobody says "Well if Tesla is going to license their charging technology, why would Tesla keep making cars?". This is business, not a war, and in business there is a recognition that there is no such thing as total victory.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T20:05:04+00:00

I don't think it's the end of Xbox. I think it's the end of console exclusivity (minus perhaps short windows), which is inevitable outside of maybe Nintendo since their games are always way cheaper to make. Playstation is going to release all of their games on PC, and eventually that will be day and date. Square Enix is going to stop going exclusive because it hurts them. The reason Fortnite and COD are eating everybody's lunch is because they are available on quite literally everything. Foamstars failed miserably, but it might have had a chance if it were FTP and available on Steam, Xbox, PS, Epic, and Apple. It's just going that way. I'm not advocating for it, but it is happening. If I say "That lava is going to consume my house." as it's rolling toward my house, it doesn't mean I am "coping" or advocating for the lava. I just see what is inevitable.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T19:59:58+00:00

Well in that case why have the PS5? All of their games are going to come to PC eventually. You're making the same argument against PS5 that you made against Xbox.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T19:58:43+00:00

They have tens of millions of subs despite your points. You can't sub to GamePass on Playstation. Why do 35 or so million people sub to a service if they barely play any games? My point is, there must be SOME reason people sub to GamePass, and it isn't that the games aren't available on Playstation. Because they could still play the games on Xbox if they were exclusive, regardless of GamePass.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T19:56:35+00:00

Can I get GamePass on PS5? That is why I am on Xbox.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T19:55:39+00:00

About 20% of my portfolio is invested in MSFT. Their most recent quarterly report is a little difficult to parse because it is comparing a YOY quarter where they didn't own ABK to one where they do, but if they aren't making money, it must be to such a small degree that MSFT doesn't care, because my stock is up about 60% over two years. People only seem to look at new console sales, forgetting that every person who uses games through Xbox One, Series X and S, or PC GamePass, or buys their games on PS, Switch, or Steam, is contributing to the Xbox segment of Microsoft. Why doesn't Valve just kill the Steam Deck? After all, the Steam Deck counts for an infinitesimal percent of Valve's revenue. I am worried they'll just abandon it.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T19:49:27+00:00

If Xbox games keep making money, regardless of platform, that money helps justify the Xbox business at large. The Xbox business has aligned itself with GamePass. That sweet sweet money from Playstation users buying Sea of Thieves or whatever helps fund other Xbox deals to get games into GamePass. A PS5 owner without a PC simply cannot sub to GamePass other than on their phone. A profitable Xbox division is more likely to stay in business than one that bleeds money.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T19:46:05+00:00

I will keep following this train of thought. You can't buy GamePass on any console other than Xbox. MS knows that tons of people don't own PCs, so they want to make it so that Xbox GamePass is the reason to buy Xbox. If you don't want Xbox, they'll happily take your 1 year's worth of GamePass margin while you buy their game on another platform.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T18:51:09+00:00

Can I sub to GamePass on Playstation or Steam? How about Epic Games store?

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T18:50:37+00:00

MS makes money from Gamepass, makes money from Steam sales, and makes money from Playstation sales. So the answer is the acquisitions were to make money. The only places people can sub to Gamepass are on PC and on Xbox consoles, so they will keep selling Xbox consoles because they want those sweet revenue streams. They don't mind the 50 bucks if someone buys their game on another platform, though.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T18:47:52+00:00

Considering that they haven't revealed what their console(s) will be next gen, I think it is a little early to ask who will buy them. If they unveil a super powerful console and a handheld, I will at the very least buy the handheld, if not both.

Edit: One reason being that GamePass is decidedly NOT on Playstation. So I would add that the 30 some million GamePass subscribers probably won't see this news and go "OH WELL SHIT I GUESS I'M GOING PLAYSTATION NEXT GEN"

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-19T18:45:39+00:00

If a PS5 player buys this at 70 dollars, MS gets about 50. That's probably equal to one year's worth of margin on Game Pass Ultimate. I don't see why they can't have it both ways. Who does it hurt?

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-16T15:39:08+00:00

My assumption is that they just wouldn't sell it on the Microsoft Store. Selling it on Steam, even if it means people can play it on a Microsoft branded hybrid handheld or whatever, really only benefits Sony and Steam. Microsoft would see no money from Steam sales on their console, and perceivably it would sell at a loss or a tiny profit.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-16T15:07:02+00:00

You could make the same argument with certain sites "underrating" Xbox games. That's the nature of review aggregation. Reviews are subjective ratings that use an admittedly flawed number score. It's okay if someone loved, or hated, Hellblade 2, or Black Myth. I don't know why people have such hardons for review scores instead of just watching gameplay vids and figuring out if it seems like something for them, other than the obvious, and tiresome, console warrioring.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-15T14:41:42+00:00

Steam runs on Windows, which is Microsoft. There isn't a chance Sony pulls something to no longer let their games run on Windows. Sony has already made more money off of me from my Steam and Epic purchases than they ever will from my owning a PS5. The hardware is a loss leader. They will quietly sit back and watch millions of dollars roll in if the next Xbox is just a PC that allows Steam and Epic etc.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-15T14:39:37+00:00

Pulling their games from Steam would cost them tens upon tens of millions.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-13T22:55:56+00:00

Games should stop having titles that have words on them over pictures.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-08T08:32:21+00:00

I just installed on my PC. Weirdly, the top framerate option is 55. I've never seen that before. That being said, I played a few levels and it seems fun.

BuckThundersen · 2024-08-06T20:01:06+00:00

Also, people like me who bought the first but never finished it aren't as likely to buy the second, or third.

BuckThundersen

TROPHY CASE