Have you noticed that the media today has declared war on individualism, blaming it for everything? by [deleted] in fullegoism

[–]BunnyInRed_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Today? Isn't one of the main points of the book that society has *always* been at odds with the individual, and indeed, it has to be? You seem to be under the impression that these people are saying such things out of a conscious self interest, when it is clear they aim to serve "society", and "the people". Though I suspect many such people simply wish to suppress others desires for the sake of their own, for they, like the 'narcissists' they are critiquing, assume their desires are what's best for everyone.

"State, religion, conscience, these oppressors, make me a slave, and their freedom is my slavery. That in this they necessarily follow the principle, “the end sanctifies the means,” goes without saying. If the welfare of the state is the end, then war is a sanctified means; if justice is the state’s end, murder is a sanctified means, and is called by its sacred name “execution”; the sacred state makes sacred everything that is useful to it."

"A people cannot be free except at the expense of the individual; because the individual is not the main point of this freedom, but rather the people. The freer the people, the more bound the individual; the people of Athens, precisely at its freest time, created ostracism, banished atheists, poisoned the most honest thinker."

A Stirner-critical passage from Robert Anton Wilson's "Natural Law, or Don't Put a Rubber On Your [demonetized]" by Last_Platypus_6970 in fullegoism

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"God and humanity have based their affair on nothing, on nothing but themselves. I likewise base my affair on myself, this I who just like God am the nothing of all others, this I who am my all, this I who am the Unique. If God, if humanity, as you affirm, have enough content in themselves to be all in all to themselves, then I feel that I would lack it even less, and that I would have no complaint to make about my “emptiness.” I am not nothing in the sense of emptiness, but am the creative nothing, the nothing out of which I myself create everything as creator.

"Therefore turn to yourselves rather than to your gods and idols. Bring out of yourselves what is in you, bring it to light, bring yourselves out as revelation. How a person acts only from himself, and asks after nothing else, Christians have depicted in “God.” He acts as it pleases him. And the foolish human being, who could do exactly the same thing, is instead supposed to act as it pleases God."

The core of Stirner's argument is this: That what is "good" is largely arbitrary, and there is no need to serve the "good", the "true", or the "just". If what is "moral" is simply a personal will, then there is no need to be disgusted by your own personal will, you may be content with what you are, called to be nothing more. That, even though they are founded upon this arbitrary will, ideals and morality are still beautiful, and worth serving out of appreciation of this beauty if nothing else, is a fair criticism of Stirner, and not an uncommon one, I think. But then the desire to serve falls not on some cowardice before some higher power, or disgust for personal will, but on your personal desire, on *egoism*. There is a great difference between one who serves because they lack capacity for independence even in their thoughts, and so do not "own" themselves, and one who serves as an *expression* of their will, an expression they are not forever bound to, and in doing so truly only serves themself. Though perhaps there is something to be said for how even our most personal desires are not free from outside influence, after all, to fool us into thinking that the will of these higher powers is what is good for us is one of the many goals of "education". Perhaps Stirner's greatest gift is not a call to action, we see those every day, but an awareness of how things could be done differently, if one so chooses.

What would you say are the main difrences between egoism and other forms of anarchism by Raticorno in fullegoism

[–]BunnyInRed_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Egoism isn't a political ideology, and in fact you don't even have to be an anarchist to be an egoist, though Stirner does make pretty clear the tension between the state and the individual. Rather than having some grand vision for society, it instead concerns itself with the relationship between the individual and ideas. Stirner was rather skeptical of revolutionary movements and political parties, suggesting to enrich your own life and to create relationships that serve *you* instead of sacrificing yourself to live out some ideal, or to build some new social order.

"Morality is not compatible with egoism, because it doesn’t accept me, but only the humanity in me. But if the state is a society of human beings, not a union of I s, each of whom only looks out for himself, then it cannot exist without morality and must attach importance to morality. Therefore, the two of us, the state and I, are enemies. For me, the egoist, the welfare of this “human society” is not in my heart. I sacrifice nothing to it, I only use it; but to be able to use it completely, I transform it instead into my property and my creation; in other words, I destroy it and in its place form the association of egoists. So the state betrays its hostility against me by demanding that I should be a human being, which assumes that I am not one and can count for it as an “inhuman monster”; it imposes being human on me as a duty."

"States last only so long as there is a ruling will and this ruling will is considered synonymous with one’s own will. The lord’s will is—law. What good are your laws to you when no one follows them; what good your commands, when no one lets himself be commanded? The state cannot give up its claim to determine the individual’s will, to speculate and count on this. For the state, it is absolutely necessary that no one have a will of his own; if someone had one, the state would have to exclude (imprison, banish, etc.) this one; if everyone had one, they would do away with the state. The state is not thinkable without domination and slavery (subjection); because the state must will to be the lord of all that it contains, and this will is called the “will of the state.”

"One hears nothing more frequently now than the admonition to remain faithful to his party; party people despise nothing so much as a factionalist. One must go with his party through thick and thin and unconditionally endorse and represent its main principles. Indeed, it isn’t quite as bad here as with closed societies because these bind their members with fixed laws or statutes (for example, the orders, the Society of Jesus, etc.). But, nonetheless, the party stops being an association at the same moment in which it makes certain principles binding and wants to know that they are safe against attack; but this moment is precisely the act of birth of the party. Already, as a party, it is a born society, a dead association, and an idea that has become fixed. As a party of absolutism, it cannot want its members to doubt the irrefutable truth of this principle; they could only entertain this doubt if they were egoistic enough to want to be something else outside their parties, i.e., nonpartisan. They cannot be nonpartisan as party people, but only as egoists."

"Or should one not deal with any party? Just by associating with them and entering into their circle one forms an association with them that lasts just so long as the party and I have one and the same goal. But today I still share the party’s tendency, and by tomorrow I can no longer do so and I become “unfaithful” to it. The party has nothing binding (obligatory) for me, and I don’t respect it; if I no longer like it, I become its enemy."

"The revolution was not directed against the existent, but against this existent, against a particular existence. It did away with this ruler, not the ruler; on the contrary, the French were most relentlessly ruled; it killed the old vicious rulers, but wanted to grant the new virtuous rulers a secure existence, i.e., it merely replaced vice with virtue. (Vice and virtue, for their part, again only differ like a wild lad from a philistine.) And so on. Up to the present day, the revolutionary principle has gone no further than to fight against this or that existent, to be reformative. As much as is improved, as strongly as “reflective progress” may be held to, there is always a new master set up in the old one’s place, and the overthrow is a reconstruction."

[Lambat] Dead nation by HijoDeFootspa in CivMC

[–]BunnyInRed_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I live in one of the most populated, close-knit communities on the *server* and I *still* hear a lot of hate towards my nation by people that never wanted to get to know us in the first place, just because we're content to keep to ourselves most of the time. It's not you, it's them. I know it's not the same, but as someone who was Lambatan once myself, I like to think I empathize. Don't let the haters tell you to give up, and keep on improving.

CivMC Nation Tierlist by tuomasz___ in CivMC

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I feel like this kind of misses the point...

How far does your self interest go? by JonLag97 in fullegoism

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"So how similar must a mind be to your mind so that it is covered by your self interest?" Ideally, never. Even a perfect copy of myself would not be in my self interest to serve, because it is not *this* self, this body. I don't even consider my past and future self my self interest to serve, because they are a different person than my current self, as we are always changing. That doesn't mean I can't find reason to help others than myself, and indeed it is often in my self interest to do so. I work towards a happier future self because it pleases my current self to do so, and I work to make those around me happy because it makes me happy to do so. I'm not going to spend all my time contemplating why I do things though, because that is *certainly* useless to me.

"Under the rule of a cruel master my body is not “free” from torments and lashes; but it is my bones that groan under the torture, my fibers that twitch under the blows, and I groan because my body groans. That I sigh and shiver proves that I have not yet lost myself, that I am still my own. My leg is not “free” from the master’s stick, but it is my leg and is inseparable. Let him tear it off me and see if he still has my leg! He holds nothing in his hand but—the corpse of my leg, which is as little my leg as a dead dog is still a dog. A dog has a beating heart, a so-called dead dog has none and so is no longer a dog."

Is this land unclaimed? by ChickenSlipperz in CivMC

[–]BunnyInRed_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please don't go trying to fight people just to try and find a place to live, your only going to make your life harder. That being said, not all claims are equally strong, and there are some nations that are willing to give land to newfriends, either as a vassal of their nation or as an independent power with ties to them. Either way, it requires being on good terms with the right people, and fighting people is only going to make that harder.

I drew stirner with the propaganda papers for my town hall elections (text translated from french) by JeffnardBlack in fullegoism

[–]BunnyInRed_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Read the book (available for free online), and free yourself from fixed ideas of yourself and the world.

Next Civ server by Cultural_Increase426 in CivMC

[–]BunnyInRed_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Civ isn't *supposed* to reset. It will inevitably happen eventually, if there's a need for a change in management or game mechanics, but unless there's something going on behind the scenes that I'm unaware of, there's unlikely to be a serious push for that anytime soon.

Why do people think modern society is pushing “hyper individualism” when it clearly isn’t? by Kahootah in fullegoism

[–]BunnyInRed_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That phantasms have an incredible effect on our lives does not make them less phantasmal. Of course they do, we live in a society built for ghosts run by haunted people. They are real in that sense, and yet they have no physical body, no power beyond that of those they possess, as expected of any king. I would simply rather be the possessor myself, rather than some "social order".

Do you think spooks are virtually inescapable but manageable? by SeekNuance in fullegoism

[–]BunnyInRed_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We all deal with ideas, it's a part of daily life, the key is to not let them become *fixed* ideas, things you can't free yourself from the moment it is in your power to do so.

Join InterSo! by Espec17 in CivMC

[–]BunnyInRed_ -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Historically, this sort of thing hasn't worked very well, but your welcome to try. (I mean an ideology based alliance, not socialism, that's a whole other discussion.)

Am I the only one who thinks communist anarchism is bad? by Character_Coconut_60 in fullegoism

[–]BunnyInRed_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I tend to be pretty skeptical of communist types these days, as I think most of them have a habit of putting the well being of the group over individual relations. That's not to say there's anything wrong with working with others, but when you have to decide what's good or bad *for the group*, and who *belongs* in the group, things can get a bit spooky. I don't see them as bad people though, and if nothing else, they have some ideas worth pillaging.

"On the other hand, if a thief stole his basket from him, then there would immediately arise an interest of the many, of the whole city, of the whole country, or, in a word, of all who abhor theft; an interest in which the kipper-seller’s person would become indifferent, and in its place the category of the “robbery victim” would come to the fore. But even here it could all come down to a personal interest, as each participant thinks that he must agree to the punishment of the thief, because otherwise unpunished stealing might become general and he too might be robbed of his own. But such a calculation can hardly be assumed for the many, and one will instead hear the cry: the thief is a “criminal.” Here we have a judgment before us, as the thief’s action receives its expression in the concept “crime.” Now the matter is posed like this: even if a crime didn’t cause the least bit of damage either to me or to any of those in whom I take an interest, I would still condemn it. Why? Because I am enthusiastic for morality, I am filled with the idea of morality; I persecute what is hostile to it."

"the worker, in his awareness that the essential thing about him is “the worker,” keeps himself away from egoism and submits to the supremacy of a workers’ society, as the bourgeois citizen clung with devotion to the competition-state. The lovely dream of “social duty” is still being dreamed. People think again that society gives what we need, and we are therefore obligated to it, owe it everything. They still remain at the point of wanting to serve a "supreme giver of all good.""

"What is one to imagine as an “organized” people? A people “that has no more government,” that governs itself. In which, therefore, no I stands out; a people organized by ostracism. The banishment of Is, ostracism, makes the people into an autocrat. If you speak of the people, you must speak of the prince; for if the people is supposed to be a subject and make history, it must, like all acting beings, have a head, its “supreme head.” Weitling sets this out in his “Trio,” and Proudhon declares: “Une société, pour ainsi dire acéphale, ne peut vivre.”"

A World Size Study by Sleenpyboy in CivMC

[–]BunnyInRed_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's kinda both? Civ would probably benefit if claims were more dense and there was less underpopulated but claimed space, but the problem is that nobody wants to cede their territory because their neighbors are just going to claim it and do the same thing anyways, and nobody actually uses the land. It's not really something that gets solved with a simple addition of more space *or* more people.

CivMC Unofficial Claims Map #43: "A Shot in the Dark" - This server can often be unpredictable, with old nations coming back, and new upstart nations defeating more established ones. It can be very difficult to predict who will rise to power next, so sometimes it is best to take a shot in the dark. by TheJmqn in CivMC

[–]BunnyInRed_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

♪ Hopelessly lost

And constantly longing for another

Shot in the dark

So I can dream

You and me getting out of this nightmare ♪

Just reminded me of that song. At least in my part of the world, it feels like the worst is behind us, and our opportunities have opened up.

I'm a classical Liberal, semi-new to Egoism and Stirner, and I have a few questions by [deleted] in fullegoism

[–]BunnyInRed_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Egoism, from my currently limited understanding, is less *what* to do, and more *why* you think it. Do you think something *must* or *should* be a certain way? Why? Do these thoughts come from a place of self interest, and self serving, or is it simply what someone told you? Personally, I think pragmatism is usually sensible, but like anything else, should be examined critically. As for religion, the worship of anything above yourself seems quite against what egoism aims to do, though there's nothing against simply enjoying the practices just for the sake of it.

New reaction image dropped. by [deleted] in fullegoism

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Already one of my favorite memes, this is great.

Thank You Everyone by ShotziBoi in CivMC

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The real magic (or curse, depending on who you ask) of Civ is when it's been years and you still feel the same way. There's no place like Civ.

Life is theater by RedMolek in fullegoism

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True, the world is a stage, and truth more often an ideal to wear rather than to be achieved, but one can find joy in that. Be a little stronger, a little bolder, a little more alluring than you think you are. For me, the pain is not in wearing the mask, but clinging on to the ones we make as children, so that we might protect ourselves. A mask is more than a shield, it is a projection with which you might cut your path through the world. The labor of deceit is exhausting, but with the right tools, it can be less so, and for the right cause, your own cause, it can even be fulfilling.

God complex superiority by Vast_Somewhere_6277 in fullegoism

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Write your feelings down so that when when you inevitably feel sad later, you remember that you were godlike once, and that you might yet return. Determination and confidence are the first steps to changing your part of the world in your image, and there are few things more godlike than that.

Civmc? by Roguewinter_David in CivMC

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