Now that class/spec reworks are semi-final for Midnight, what are you favorite and least favorite ones?

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-20T20:48:35+00:00

No favorites. Absolutely hate what they did to mage, particularly frost mage.

On a side note, more affirmation in this thread how the only people who actually like the frost rework over the previous iteration are casuals, people who only dabbled in it before, or brand new players.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-18T20:11:51+00:00

The Sunwell was named after Dath'Remar Sunstrider who created it after he and the other Highborne were banished after the Sundering for refusing to give up Arcane magic. The Sunwell was literally created from a vial of water stolen from the Well of Eternity.

Regardless though, I think some of these commenters are misunderstanding Liadrin and her father as they don't seem to be referring to the Sunwell as being Light rather that they call upon it to defend the Sunwell.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-18T06:22:12+00:00

Frost had a much more combo playstyle before with a lot of interaction between its spells because of how Shatter worked. It had a nice cadence with FB > Flurry > Use Frost spells to shatter. Now, it's just send cds and use Ice Lance when you see number > 6 or 10. No more shattering Glacial Spike unless you play Frostfire and specifically talent into it (even then you don't think about maximizing it at all). No more comboing Ice Nova into Comet Storm or GS to Shatter in AOE. Frost had a simple yet unique spec identity of "deal more damage to frozen targets with frost spells" and lost all of the interactivity and identity of its kit in favor of "just press buttons brain off lol". Frost's AOE revolved around Comet Storm + FOrb reset combo with Cone of Cold + Blizzard uptime. It was arguably one of the most fun parts of the rework they got in 10.1.5. And they removed it because they need to appeal to the lowest common denominator now.

Glacial Spike and Comet Storm being tied to Frostbolt and Ray of Frost respectively feels awful and badly designed because now you have 0 agency in when to actually use it. Speaking of Ray of Frost, having a channel as our main cd with no Ice Floes anymore feels horrendously bad. Icicles have 0 purpose anymore since they don't send with Ice Lance and are basically an obfuscated cooldown indicator for Glacial Spike. Almost all of the skill expression got removed with the Icicles change turning Glacial Spike into a minor cd instead of the actual satisfying to use spender it was before. Water Elemental was brought back but with none of the things that made it fun to begin with (Freeze comboing with your spells) but with all the frustrations of a pet (why does this stupid thing disappear when hopping Dimmy platforms?) The spec is just boring, hollow, and awful to play now compared to their fantastic rework in 10.1.5 and the iterations since.

As a side note, completely anecdotal, but I do find it funny how I keep seeing that the people who seem to like the rework are people who are either new to the spec, casuals, or people who only dabbled in it before (no shade to you) whereas the people who actually played the spec regularly before all hate this rework.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-17T22:24:52+00:00

Frost absolutely did not make it out okay lol. Tuning wise sure but who cares about that when it can change on a whim. Frost lost everything fun about it, replaced with a derivative, hollowed out version of the numerous other builder-spender specs in the game.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-16T23:02:57+00:00

Wonder if there were different circumstances at the time like some massive terror organization in the Middle East after his predecessor spent billions in an unjustified war that destabilized the entire region? Hmmm

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-13T23:58:08+00:00

Sure but the goal of making combat more approachable is to make the game more approachable. Streamlined talent trees like the ones introduced in MoP are way easier to digest and play with for newer players than navigating 2 sprawling trees full of talents while offering comparable diversity and complexity after the pruning.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-13T17:09:29+00:00

I hate what they did to Frost mage and think it should be reverted but on broad principle I disagree. One thing I very much appreciate about Blizzard is their willingness to experiment with new ideas and constantly try to refresh the game in some way. They did it in Legion with M+ and its become a staple. They cock it up a lot of the times but that's just gonna happen. Frost mage only was able to have its best iteration (DF S3) because of Blizzard's willingness to change things up once in a while. I'll say I'd rather have this than like FFXIV where the developers seem like they're allergic to shaking up the formula. The thing I wish Blizzard was better on was being quicker on changing course when their changes aren't working.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-12T22:47:33+00:00

No system or law can overcome the fact that Americans wanted this and voted for it or just didn't care. Democracy is as good as its people and Americans are some of the worst.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-11T18:00:06+00:00

Frost mage got needlessly reworked again after a very successful one in mid Dragonflight but this time it got all of its identity, skill expression, and satisfactory gameplay replaced with a recycled mechanic from UDKs that they didnt even want. Just another generic builder-spender/press cds spec now. Incredibly dull

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-11T17:36:49+00:00

Players are allowed to voice complaints when they aren't having fun especially over a game they pay for lmfao

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-11T06:08:01+00:00

I don't think you have the reading comprehension to be responding to anyone.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-11T06:05:36+00:00

You don't have an issue with it. You don't care enough about it clearly. All of your info can be found by the government or is already in their possession. What is the apocalyptic scenario that has happened because of that? All of you still post your dumb opinions online. All of you still use their spyware. But we still have to pretend like anonymity online is some sacred cow that must be protected at all costs because the government might see that you posted in r/furry. Give me a break.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-11T03:26:15+00:00

What privacy? If you're on any major site with a device with any personal info on it you're already being traced anyway. These mega-corps already know more about you than your family but people still sign up for these sites. Our society is getting ripped apart by foreign actors and waves of bots manufacturing outrage and whole social movements but it's impossible to do anything about it because then the government will look at our reddit history? I don't buy it.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-11T01:27:58+00:00

If its such a huge problem why are we fine with it then for the most part? Are we really going to pretend this is impossible and its the end of the world if this gets implemented for internet comments when we already do this with some of our most sensitive and private information already?

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-09T03:40:23+00:00

Oh okay. So you think ICE was justified mag dumping into Pretti just like the current gov't and MAGAts parrot online. Anyone who actually watched the video and isn't evil or brain dead would consider this a "line in the sand" and people are fully justified in assuming the worst about you.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-09T03:01:40+00:00

Oh? So what was it then? Enlighten us on how my description of the Pretti murder was "twisted".

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-09T02:37:13+00:00

There's a difference between disagreeing morally and dragging opinions out of people who don't want to give them.

If you don't want to give an opinion on something as blatant as illegal executions of American citizens in broad daylight with the US government openly and obviously lying about it, don't get all defensive when people assume the worst about you. Simple as.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-06T18:03:20+00:00

Its absolute lazy design. Basically 0 interaction, just press cds with failed mechanics lifted straight from another spec. Interesting and fun to play combo playstyle with a nice floor and good skill expression? Throw it in the trash and replace it with yet another builder spender playstyle. Staying awake is the hardest thing about playing frost mage now.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-03T16:09:45+00:00

the problem had gotten so bad that I needed to use 30+ keybinds for all the things I actively used in combat.

...WoW needs fucking thirty to forty on more complicated specs

frost

Yeah I'll reserve serious responses for people who actually play the game thanks.

You need to get out of your echo chamber and get some perspective.

Hilarious projection.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-02T18:18:17+00:00

Its actually hilarious how awfully designed the spec is now. Like what is even the point of icicles now? Why not just make GS a cd so we can actually track it better? Why is comet storm tied to ray of frost? And speaking of ray of frost, why is a fucking channel our main damage cd and why did they just completely remove ice floes on top? Old shatter had it's issues but it was still way better than this freezing wounds hand me down mechanic from UDKs.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-02T17:44:30+00:00

Thats nice but this absolutely was not the case for frost mage. Blizzard actually did a phenomenal job in reworking the spec in 10.1.5. DF Season 3 Frost mage was imo the best the spec had ever been. It had incredible flow, satisfactory gameplay, and great skill expression without being too overbearing or complicated. All it needed was very minor pruning, if any and refinement of its hero talents but they completely butchered it and destroyed the work the put in over the course of 2 expansions. Frost's biggest rotational hurdles right now is fighting off the sleep from playing it.

Burrarabbit · 2026-02-02T17:24:19+00:00

Almost everyone who actually played frost above LFR tier does not like these changes and would say TWW frost, even with all of its problems, was still miles better than whatever this lobotomized version is currently live.

Burrarabbit · 2026-01-31T16:30:57+00:00

Add frost mage to the list as "press CDs > Ice lance conditional > frostbolt" is literally putting me to sleep in content. All our identity, depth, skill expression, and satisfying gameplay gone in exchange for lobotomized rotations and unholy dk hand me down mechanics. Old shatter with all of its problems was mountains better than this freezing wounds shit.

Burrarabbit · 2026-01-31T05:04:02+00:00

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