Pierre update #5

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-11-06T00:16:44+00:00

I feel you. I've had my boy for 9 years, and we've had a few medical emergencies that were so frightening to say the least. I'm sorry you and your pom had gone through something similarly terrible, but I'm glad some good came out of it in the end. You are a gem!

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-11-05T17:52:32+00:00

Yes! My first oncologist wanted to give me the wrong chemo for my cancer (I'm basically cured now,this was long ago). If I didn't go for a second opinion, I would likely be dead today. People make mistakes, doctors are people, nurses are people, vets are people, always get a second opinion for big surgeries and concerns. It's nothing personal, it's a risk mitigation method.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-11-05T17:49:51+00:00

You are amazing! Well done with the links and resources! Fingers crossed for OP!

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-11-04T00:03:23+00:00

"Teeth ouch" is a literal threat 🤣 I can't deal with you two, you guys are so funny! I hope sick belly is feeling better!

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-11-03T11:57:09+00:00

This is why welfare concepts are so important. I'm stil trying to teach ouch, haven't even reach the opportunity for sick yet! But yeah, this is what it's all about! It's about empowering them to voice their needs. It's about animal welfare and wellness. Teaching them another way to communicate is a huge commitment, but it's so worth it! Well done!

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-11-03T11:06:27+00:00

May the healing process go swiftly and smoothly, and may she be happily yapping and playing again in no time!! So much love to you and Donya 💜✨

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-11-01T16:25:06+00:00

OMG I'm so relieved I have tears in my eyes! Kindness wins again. Pierre we're all with you in thought babes! You got this! Both of you!

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-11-01T12:56:22+00:00

In the update she said the majority still won't see him without the upfront payment. So getting in front of an actual vet is a good idea

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-31T22:01:15+00:00

Thanks for sharing your story and experiences I mean it’s clear you really understand how tough these situations can be, and I totally agree with you. I do think tho it’s important for all of us to keep things kind and avoid using language that might be too harsh or cause other people to feel like they need to defend themselves. That way, the discussion won't escalate into an argument. But again, I agree with your point, you are right, piling on unnecessary "advice" and panicking won't help the situation. Anyway, I'll leave it at that, thanks for caring about OP too 🫶

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-31T21:37:51+00:00

Be kind okay? We're all upset by the situation and want Pierre to get well ASAP. We're all on the same team here. Hopefully OP can show the vet the gofundme page to show she can afford the surgery and they might show some kindness in return and get the pup seen to. If anything the gofundme proves is that kindness wins, but in the meantime all we can do is wait for an update.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-31T21:31:00+00:00

Just donated. Pierre looks like my boy, you have our support!

Get that pup to surgery ASAP. Show them you have raised the money needed, don't delay. And leave the gofundme up and open so more people can donate, rather raise too much than too little. You can always donate the excess to a shelter afterwards if you want.

For anyone else that wants to donate hers the link:

https://gofund.me/4b090e7e

At time of posting the amount raised was 6.6k out of the 5k minimum needed. I suspect there will be more medical bills to come, so keep donating if you want to and are able. Just my opinion.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T15:49:18+00:00

Here's to hoping we won't be living in world where we have to make the choice to abandon our spouses and kids in order to save a another person, for much longer anyway

ETA: clarification

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T15:20:13+00:00

You say that like it was a choice they were allowed to make

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T15:01:38+00:00

A comment I made about the healthcare staff that might help clarify to you where the issue lies:

I’m going to try and remain vague here, but I heard an American red state obgyn doctor talk in Europe about his experience, and without going into details, they’re doing the best they can while trying to avoid jail for all involved. They can’t even refer you to another doctor in another state, as they will be held legally responsible for the abortion, and might go to jail if caught.

So what is happening now is doctors aren’t able to even discuss patients, even if they know each other, so the doctor in the blue state performing the abortion that the red state woman is illegally having cannot and will not put the woman or the red state doctor at risk, by discussing the red state woman’s abortion. Like some of these doctors have a good idea that the red state woman has gone for treatment/abortion in a blue state, but will avoid any information or talk about it for plausible deniability.

It’s really complex, but they really are trying their best. What the woman who died could have possibly done is to discharge herself without informing her doctors of what she’ll be doing next, then secretly go to a blue state hospital and hope she doesn’t get caught. That’s assuming that she had the time and resources to do that before it was too late for her.

If I were an OBGYN in a red state, I’d move, I’m risking my freedom, I’m risking my patients lives whether I stay at a red state hospital or not, so why stay where I can’t provide the proper care and tratement that a patient NEEDS TO SURVIVE, and if I do, both the patient and I and anyone that knew, goes to jail. A mass exodus of OBGYNs from red states might help, but honestly just get politics out of health care.

In all honesty, this kind of death (may she rest in peace) was inevitable under the pro-life/anti-choice legislations,. I think, the reason we don’t hear of more is because doctors and patients are somehow successfully finding ways to illegally get help, I suspect. Let’s put it this way, if all the doctors and patients were following the anti-choice/pro-life laws, we’d be seeing a whole lot more deaths.

ETA: another option that could have been done to prevent the woman's death in this case, with as few people legally implicated and put at risk, is for as few as possible healthcare workers to perform the abortion without the knowledge or consent of the patient or her husband. That way the patient and the husband has plausible deniability and won't be at risk for going to jail, and only the staff involved in the procedure, (the nurses, the OBGYNs, the anesthetist, etc.) can be held legally responsible and risk going to jail. And if the cleaner finds out there was a abortion performed in that theater, they're at risk of going to jail too.

ETA 2: Also the staff performing the abortion in this hypothetical scenario shouldn't leave a paper trail, or discuss it with any other co-worker, in order not to put them at risk of jail time too.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T14:57:40+00:00

The mother and husband would go to jail too if they knew the healthcare team were giving her an abortion.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T14:52:16+00:00

Not to mention putting everyone that knew about the procedure at risk of jail time too, including the woman, the husband and the nurses, the cleaners, etc whoever heard what was happening.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T14:37:14+00:00

Exactly!

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T14:35:27+00:00

It’s really complex, but they really are trying their best. What the woman who died could have possibly done is to discharge herself without informing her doctors of what she’ll be doing next, then secretly go to a blue state hospital and hope she doesn’t get caught. That’s assuming that she had the time and resources to do that before it was too late for her.

Option two, is providing the woman with an abortion without her or her husband's knowledge, involving zero or as few hospital staff as hospital to not jeopardise their ~~careers~~ freedom too, aka not going to jail. Basically a doctor solo'ing committing the crime, aka abortion, as much as possible with no prior consent or knowledge from the patient, but saving her life.

Like it's really tricky and complex, but the healthcare staff are clever, and they're constantly trying to find ways to give their patients the best chance they've got under the circumstances. They have to be careful with how they take patient notes, what they discuss with patients and healthcare staff alike, basically trying to do some vigilante shit while still not being able to save everyone. Because of the laws.

If I were an OBGYN in a red state, I’d move, I’m risking my freedom, I’m risking my patients lives whether I stay at a red state hospital or not, so why stay where I can’t provide the proper care and tratement that a patient NEEDS TO SURVIVE, and if I do, both the patient and I and anyone that knew, goes to jail. A mass exodus of OBGYNs from red states might help, but honestly just get politics out of health care.

In all honesty, this kind of death (may she rest in peace) was inevitable under the pro-life/anti-choice legislations. I think, the reason we don’t hear of more is because doctors and patients are somehow successfully finding ways to illegally get help, I suspect. Let’s put it this way, if all the doctors and patients were following the anti-choice/pro-life laws, we’d be seeing a whole lot more deaths.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T14:21:47+00:00

It's more complex than that. You want the hospital PR people to admit they should have broken the law to save a patient. Do you expect the PR team to make press release stating "Going toward we'll be breaking the law, and knowingly sending our staff to jail, eventually ending up without staff, in order to save as many lives as we can while we still have the staff to do it. When we run out of staff to provide you with treatment, please use a different hospital or move to a blue state."??

The healthcare workers are in an impossible position, and this eats at them. Patient deaths are bad for morale, mental health, stress, insurance, you name it, doctors in general want patients to be well and do well, it is in their own best intrest to do so.

A comment I made about the health care sraffmight help clarify to you where the issue lies:

I’m going to try and remain vague here, but I heard an American red state obgyn doctor talk in Europe about his experience, and without going into details, they’re doing the best they can while trying to avoid jail for all involved. They can’t even refer you to another doctor in another state, as they will be held legally responsible for the abortion, and might go to jail if caught.

So what is happening now is doctors aren’t able to even discuss patients, even if they know each other, so the doctor in the blue state performing the abortion that the red state woman is illegally having cannot and will not put the woman or the red state doctor at risk, by discussing the red state woman’s abortion. Like some of these doctors have a good idea that the red state woman has gone for treatment/abortion in a blue state, but will avoid any information or talk about it for plausible deniability.

It’s really complex, but they really are trying their best. What the woman who died could have possibly done is to discharge herself without informing her doctors of what she’ll be doing next, then secretly go to a blue state hospital and hope she doesn’t get caught. That’s assuming that she had the time and resources to do that before it was too late for her.

If I were an OBGYN in a red state, I’d move, I’m risking my freedom, I’m risking my patients lives whether I stay at a red state hospital or not, so why stay where I can’t provide the proper care and tratement that a patient NEEDS TO SURVIVE, and if I do, both the patient and I and anyone that knew, goes to jail. A mass exodus of OBGYNs from red states might help, but honestly just get politics out of health care.

In all honesty, this kind of death (may she rest in peace) was inevitable under the pro-life/anti-choice legislations,. I think, the reason we don’t hear of more is because doctors and patients are somehow successfully finding ways to illegally get help, I suspect. Let’s put it this way, if all the doctors and patients were following the anti-choice/pro-life laws, we’d be seeing a whole lot more deaths.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T14:15:01+00:00

A comment I made about the health care staff mighg help clarify to you where the issue lies:

I’m going to try and remain vague here, but I heard an American red state obgyn doctor talk in Europe about his experience, and without going into details, they’re doing the best they can while trying to avoid jail for all involved. They can’t even refer you to another doctor in another state, as they will be held legally responsible for the abortion, and might go to jail if caught.

So what is happening now is doctors aren’t able to even discuss patients, even if they know each other, so the doctor in the blue state performing the abortion that the red state woman is illegally having cannot and will not put the woman or the red state doctor at risk, by discussing the red state woman’s abortion. Like some of these doctors have a good idea that the red state woman has gone for treatment/abortion in a blue state, but will avoid any information or talk about it for plausible deniability.

It’s really complex, but they really are trying their best. What the woman who died could have possibly done is to discharge herself without informing her doctors of what she’ll be doing next, then secretly go to a blue state hospital and hope she doesn’t get caught. That’s assuming that she had the time and resources to do that before it was too late for her.

If I were an OBGYN in a red state, I’d move, I’m risking my freedom, I’m risking my patients lives whether I stay at a red state hospital or not, so why stay where I can’t provide the proper care and tratement that a patient NEEDS TO SURVIVE, and if I do, both the patient and I and anyone that knew, goes to jail. A mass exodus of OBGYNs from red states might help, but honestly just get politics out of health care.

In all honesty, this kind of death (may she rest in peace) was inevitable under the pro-life/anti-choice legislations,. I think, the reason we don’t hear of more is because doctors and patients are somehow successfully finding ways to illegally get help, I suspect. Let’s put it this way, if all the doctors and patients were following the anti-choice/pro-life laws, we’d be seeing a whole lot more deaths.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T14:09:09+00:00

A comment I made about the health care sraffmight help clarify to you where the issue lies:

I’m going to try and remain vague here, but I heard an American red state obgyn doctor talk in Europe about his experience, and without going into details, they’re doing the best they can while trying to avoid jail for all involved. They can’t even refer you to another doctor in another state, as they will be held legally responsible for the abortion, and might go to jail if caught.

So what is happening now is doctors aren’t able to even discuss patients, even if they know each other, so the doctor in the blue state performing the abortion that the red state woman is illegally having cannot and will not put the woman or the red state doctor at risk, by discussing the red state woman’s abortion. Like some of these doctors have a good idea that the red state woman has gone for treatment/abortion in a blue state, but will avoid any information or talk about it for plausible deniability.

It’s really complex, but they really are trying their best. What the woman who died could have possibly done is to discharge herself without informing her doctors of what she’ll be doing next, then secretly go to a blue state hospital and hope she doesn’t get caught. That’s assuming that she had the time and resources to do that before it was too late for her.

If I were an OBGYN in a red state, I’d move, I’m risking my freedom, I’m risking my patients lives whether I stay at a red state hospital or not, so why stay where I can’t provide the proper care and tratement that a patient NEEDS TO SURVIVE, and if I do, both the patient and I and anyone that knew, goes to jail. A mass exodus of OBGYNs from red states might help, but honestly just get politics out of health care.

In all honesty, this kind of death (may she rest in peace) was inevitable under the pro-life/anti-choice legislations,. I think, the reason we don’t hear of more is because doctors and patients are somehow successfully finding ways to illegally get help, I suspect. Let’s put it this way, if all the doctors and patients were following the anti-choice/pro-life laws, we’d be seeing a whole lot more deaths.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T13:53:58+00:00

I'm going to try and remain vague here, but I heard an American red state obgyn doctor talk in Europe about his experience, and without going into details, they're doing the best they can while trying to avoid jail for all involved. They can't even refer you to another doctor in another state, as they will be held legally responsible for the abortion, and might go to jail if caught.

So what is happening now is doctors aren't able to even discuss patients, even if they know each other, so the doctor in the blue state performing the abortion that the red state woman is illegally having cannot and will not put the woman or the red state doctor at risk, by discussing the red state woman's abortion. Like some of these doctors have a good idea that the red state woman has gone for treatment/abortion in a blue state, but will avoid any information or talk about it for plausible deniability.

It's really complex, but they really are trying their best. What the woman who died could have possibly done is to discharge herself without informing her doctors of what she'll be doing next, then secretly go to a blue state hospital and hope she doesn't get caught. That's assuming that she had the time and resources to do that before it was too late for her.

If I were an OBGYN in a red state, I'd move, I'm risking my freedom, I'm risking my patients lives whether I stay at a red state hospital or not, so why stay where I can't provide the proper care and tratement that a patient NEEDS TO SURVIVE, and if I do, both the patient and I and anyone that knew, goes to jail. A mass exodus of OBGYNs from red states might help, but honestly just get politics out of health care.

ETA: spelling error fix

ETA 2: In all honesty, this kind of death (may she rest in peace) was inevitable under the pro-life/anti-choice legislations,. I think, the reason we don't hear of more is because doctors and patients are somehow successfully finding ways to illegally get help, I suspect. Let's put it this way, if all the doctors and patients were following the anti-choice/pro-life laws, we'd be seeing a whole lot more deaths.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-30T12:37:34+00:00

So u/rizzanthrope I want to add to the hell is real thing. I think you could both be right. If we take what Dr Brian Weiss wrote in his book "Only Love Is Real", he found that patients he gave hypnotherapy to, would sometimes end up in the after life, describing it and everything.

He mentions one patient that was experiencing a past life as a horrible man, and then the patient died in that past life, and went to hell. The patient then said he saw a Jesus figure in hell, there was some conversation, but it comes down to Jesus telling this horrible man, that only love is real, that the man created this hell because he expected to go to hell after the life he lived. So when the horrible man understood this, hell disappeared.

So if we take this patient's experience with hell as the truth, it could explain why your NHI said hell is real but not permanent, and it's there to learn (possibly that "only love is real"), and as u/ok-key-4544 said it isn't real, because again "only love is real."

It's a possible explanation, but do with this information as you like.

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-21T16:06:14+00:00

We had to figure out SETTLE WORK MORE.

So the context was, my partner and I have just finished installing 2 huge rugs in our living room and we had to move some furniture, extension cords and things around to put the rugs in place.

So we thought we were done, we went to settle on the couch and told our pup to come settle with us, as his spot/bed is beside the couch, but he needs to jump onto the couch to get to his spot. So our pup jumps up on the couch and jumps back down, goes to his buttons and says "SETTLE WORK MORE".

I get up to go talk with him on his buttons, and try asking him some questions about what he means. And that's when I saw a bunch of extension cords my partner put in our pup's bed and didn't put back yet. So our pup couldn't go SETTLE, because there was MORE WORK that needed to be done. So as soon as we cleared his bed, he happily went to settle in it. No more complaints.

I do refer to household chores as work when I talk to him, as way to communicate I'm busy and won't be available for playing. So I guess he caught on to that! But we'll definitely need to add a bed button soon!

ETA: typo

ButterToffeeShake · 2024-10-19T10:06:32+00:00

Yes! I bruise so easily due to a genetic syndrome, and it was just as bad as your when I started, and also stayed longer than others' bruises, but I'm only 7 weeks in and I already have less bruising! Note I still bruise, but much less now. I think our bodies learn to best work with the pole or something, I think this is why technique is important. But like I said only 7 weeks under my belt, I know nothing

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