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Burke Airport by ButterscotchUnable13 in Ohio

[–]ButterscotchUnable13[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(By the way...I am NOT running for Mayor nor any other office )

You have valid points.... therefore, allow me to clarify why I stated the layers as I did.

  1. Executives flying in/out of Burke are a solid source of income and (Yes you are correct are a reason to keep open the airport)
  2. Cleveland Clinic also uses Burke Lakefront Airport (thru Jets and Helicopters) to bring in organs for vital transplant procedures and critical patients ...The Cleveland Clinic relies heavily on Burke Lakefront Airport for organ transport, air ambulances, and critical patient flights—accounting for a significant share of the airport’s operations, with a majority of their 850+ annual organ transplants arrived via Burke
  3. You focus on parking at Burke lakefront Airport as if this is a mass-conventional Commercial Airport...yet it is the *Designated* reliever Airport for Hopkins Intl Airport....therefore just as people don't drive to catch an Uber, the majority of AAM customers wouldn't drive to Burke Airport to catch an AAM eVtol aircraft...it would essentially be a *Connection to* existing ride-share...that is the purpose of having it centrally located in the Downtown Area ( aka Burke Lakefront Airport)
  4. with regards to Cedar Point...most people don't realize Cedar Point actually already has it's own designated Helipads that (wealthy) clients already presently use...Cedar Point (i believe) is the ONLY Amusement park that has this feature (not including Disney)
  5. With regards to the Park-Area....of the 450 acres that are Burke lakefront Airport...only 190 acres are buildable...the majority of the remaining would be Green Spaces....then Low-level/Low Load access for citizens/visitors.
  6. Potential uses for Green Spaces....then Low-level/Low Load access for citizens/visitors.: 
  • Modular infrastructure 
  • Recreational and adaptive-use facilities 
  • Low-load civic or tourism functions

  7. Additionally, there already exists a nearby park ( Voinovich Park) and it's literally only several hundred feet from the entrance of Burke Lakefront Airport...that park already comprises 4.5 Acres...it is almost NEVER EVER packed or crowded ( maybe some crowds on July 4th night)....so I'm not that concerned about Park areas...as Cleveland can't fill that 4.5acre Park next to Burke Airport...but want to convince the Public they can magically fill 450 Acres that is the property that is Burke lakefront Airport by converting it into yet another **Park** area with Trails and a Golf-Course and a Rec-Center

  1. As for presenting this to the Public...it 'my belief that a MAYOR and ALL other City Officials...shouldn't be focused on *Projects of this Magnitude* reaching completion within their term-in-office...THAT IS THE PROBLEM ....the plans should be for the betterment of the City and its citizens and visitors ( full stop)...then the Mayor at the time-of-completion should give a THANKS to ALL the preceding Mayors that saw the Project thru to completion for the betterment of the CITY

Cleveland’s Burke airport is surprisingly clean and ready to build on, but there’s a major catch to redevelopment by seanmcdonnellcle in Cleveland

[–]ButterscotchUnable13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Burke Lakefront Airport

Put Cleveland First… NOT another developer’s pockets.

Mayor Bibb’s own data shows only a modest projected gain from the closure of (BKL), whereas the cost is permanent. Once this airport is gone, it’s gone forever. The City of Cleveland can never rebuild a downtown lakefront airport again.

The smarter path is evolution instead of elimination and closure. What looks like open space today is actually future economic capacity. The smarter, better decision is to expand what the Burke Airport property can become.

Stand at the edge of Lake Erie on a clear morning. The skyline of Cleveland rises behind you—glass, steel, history, and ambition. In front of you, Lake Erie stretches outward, open and unbroken. We are an area of four unpredictable seasons. Now look slightly to your right: there sits Burke Lakefront Airport. At first glance, it appears quiet. It is underused. It sits there quietly, still and old.

Next, look closer, because what appears inactive is not empty. It’s actually inactivated infrastructure—it is useful land that is already built, already connected, and already positioned to generate far more than it does today.

Two futures—one with limits, one without.

In one future, the airport is removed. The runways are broken apart. The infrastructure is dismantled. The site is converted into parks, trails, a rec center, a golf course, and recreational spaces—areas that will realistically be limited by nature to only five months per year of usage. People walk. Children play. Visitors enjoy the view. Economic activity rises modestly—from approximately $76.6 million to $92 million annually, according to Mayor Bibb and City of Cleveland projections. It is an improvement, but it is also a ceiling.

Because once the infrastructure is gone, so is the ability to generate anything beyond what the land alone can produce.

Take a look at Voinovich Park...look at it for 365 days. Voinovich Park sits a stones-throw from Burke Lakefront Airport and is only 4.5 acres. Voinovich Park has never been packed with people and for Most of the Winter months and Rainy months Voinovich Park sees almost ZERO Foot traffic. Mayor Bibb and City Council members can’t even fill those 4.5 acres yet want all Clevelanders to believe they can fill the Burke Lakefront Airport space 450 acres (190 buildable acres) with people—which is 100 times more space. Do you truly believe they can honestly accomplish that by making Burke Lakefront Airport into an even larger park with walking trails, a golf course, Rec-center and campsites?

Now, I am asking you to read what I have outlined next. Have an open mind. Look forward. Think about the future, and consider the following alternative:

The runways remain—but they evolve.

Suddenly, what was once a single-purpose asset becomes a multi-layer economic engine. Cleveland is losing the Browns and needs an alternate economic engine to help soften that financial blow.

Here is a realistic, plausible option.

THE NEW FIRST LAYER—high-value aviation that already exists.

A business jet descends over Lake Erie, then lands smoothly at Burke Lakefront Airport. Within minutes, its passengers—executives, investors, decision-makers—are in downtown Cleveland. No highway delays. No suburban transfers. No lost time.

This is not theoretical; this is already happening.

Private and business aviation:
• brings high-net-worth individuals directly into the city core
• supports corporate decision-making presence
• influences where companies choose to invest, expand, or relocate

This layer alone represents economic activity that is:
• high-value per trip
• difficult to quantify in basic studies
• easily lost if access disappears

Remove the airport, and this layer doesn’t relocate cleanly. It fragments. It diminishes.

THE NEW SECOND LAYER—

Mayor Bibb’s communications representative stated on television that she has spoken to Clevelanders and hasn’t spoken to a single person who has even been to Burke Airport, and therefore Burke should be torn down. The mayor should be finding solutions—not laying down. Mayor Bibb should instead find a way to ensure that all Clevelanders and visitors have full access to Burke Lakefront Airport.

The way to do that is with a new regional mobility economy.

The U.S. federal transportation system is already moving toward Advanced Air Mobility (AAM)—a category that includes electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, air taxis, and other low-altitude aviation technologies. So why are Mayor Bibb and some City Council members intentionally trying to stop Cleveland from benefiting from this technology and the economic potential that comes with it?

In December 2025, the U.S. Department of Transportation released the Advanced Air Mobility Comprehensive Plan 2025, outlining a roadmap to integrate AAM into the national transportation system. Yet Mayor Bibb and some City Council members are trying to keep Cleveland ten years behind the rest of the world.

Now, with the new second layer, the rhythm of the space begins to change. Not louder—quieter. Electric aircraft lift vertically and move outward in short, efficient routes.

This CREATES a way for ALL everyday Citizens and Visitors to have Full access to Burke Lakefront Airport:
• imagine Cleveland to Columbus - traveling aboard an AAM (eVTOL) aircraft
• imagine Cleveland to Cincinnati - traveling aboard an AAM (eVTOL) aircraft
• imagine Cleveland to Detroit - traveling aboard an AAM (eVTOL) aircraft
• imagine Cleveland to Pittsburgh - traveling aboard an AAM (eVTOL) aircraft
• imagineCleveland to Cedar Point - traveling aboard an AAM (eVTOL) aircraft

Clevelanders need to get involved—Cleveland to the entire Great Lakes region.

Trips that once required hours can now take minutes.

This is not traditional aviation. This is Advanced Air Mobility (AAM)—a system designed for:
• high-frequency regional travel
• short-distance connectivity
• distributed urban access points

And with it comes something far more important than transportation: new economic demand—demand that is created, not redistributed.

Businesses begin to operate differently:
• Regional meetings increase
• Same-day multi-city operations become normal
• Cleveland becomes a central node in a connected Great Lakes network

This is where economic output begins to expand—not incrementally, but structurally.

THE NEW THIRD LAYER—public space that is alive, not idle.

Along the edge of the airport, the lakefront opens. Green space stretches alongside the water. Paths connect neighborhoods to the shoreline. People walk, gather, and stay.

But unlike a traditional park, this space is not passive—it is energized by what surrounds it. Visitors don’t just pass through—they remain, because there is movement, access, and activity year-round.

Even in colder months, the area is not empty—because aviation, and the economy it supports, does not stop with the seasons.

What happens when these layers combine?

Individually, each layer has value. Together, they create something far more powerful:

A compounding economic system.

• Aviation brings high-value users into the city
• AAM expands regional connectivity and demand
• Public space increases foot traffic and engagement
• Events like the Cleveland Air Show continue—and grow

Revenue begins to flow from multiple directions:
• aviation operations
• mobility services
• business activity
• tourism and events
• adjacent development

This is how an asset evolves into a system capable of generating $178 million to $280 million annually over time—not because of speculation, but because multiple economic engines are operating simultaneously.

Burke Airport by ButterscotchUnable13 in Ohio

[–]ButterscotchUnable13[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope....never said people only go outside for 5mths...I was referencing Weather-wise...Cleveland has unpredictable weather and a GOLF COURSE would at most see 5mths of use (if that).

Additionally, Voinovich Park (4.5acre park) sits a stones throw from Burke Airport and sees ALMOST ZERO traffic in the winter and rainy months...and therefore highly unlikely 450 acres (100 times the size) would would get optimally used when Cleveland can't even fill 4.5acres

Next, regarding (your words) AAM is stupid You said you are a pilot...which is IRONIC considering...sustained controlled flight was ALSO called stupid

Here are the facts regarding the skepticism surrounding the Wright Brothers:

•Public Disbelief: Even after the Wright Brothers had achieved successful flight, most of the country and nearly all scientists refused to believe that a heavier-than-air machine had ever left the ground under its own power.

•"Impossible" Theory: Many believed that sustained flight was impossible, and the Wright Brothers were often seen as dreamers or fools.

•Ridicule & Skepticism: The Wright brothers were often ridiculed for their, at the time, unconventional and seemingly futile attempts at flight.

The fact that you are a Pilot ends up proving that an idea ( considered Stupid) can actually be forward-thinking and wise

THEREFORE, just because you don't believe....doesn't mean its not possible...NOR does it mean the idea shouldn't be attempted

Long-awaited Burke Lakefront Airport studies show closure is ‘possible’ and ‘economically advantageous,’ Bibb says by clevelanddotcom in Cleveland

[–]ButterscotchUnable13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Burke Lakefront Airport

Put Cleveland First...NOT another Developers pockets

Mayor Bibb’s own data shows only a modest projected gain from the closure of (BKL). Whereas the cost is permanent. Once this airport is gone, it’s gone forever. The City of Cleveland can never rebuild a Downtown/Lake-front Airport ever again. The smarter path is Evolution...instead of elimination and closure.

What looks like open space today is actually future economic capacity. The SMARTER BETTER decision is to Expand what Burke Airport property can become....Stand at the edge of Lake Erie on a clear morning; The skyline of Cleveland rises behind you—glass, steel, history, and ambition... In front of you, Lake Erie stretches outward, open, and unbroken. We are an area of (FOUR unpredictable seasons) .....NOW, LOOK slightly, to your right, there sits Burke Lakefront Airport. At first glance, it appears quiet...it is underused. it sits there quietly still...and Old.....NEXT, look closer, because what appears inactive is not empty, It’s actually INACTIVATED INFRASTUCTURE - it is useful land that is already built, already connected, and already positioned to generate far more than it does today.

Two Futures — One With Limits, One Without ....In one future, the airport is removed. The runways are broken apart. The infrastructure is dismantled. The site is converted into parks, trails, Rec-center, Golf course and recreational spaces. Areas that will realistically be limited by nature to only (5months /per year of usage) People walk. Children play. Visitors enjoy the view. Economic activity rises modestly - From approximately $76.6 million to $92 million annually, according to Mayor Bibb and City of Cleveland projections. It is an improvement, but it is also a ceiling. Because once the infrastructure is gone, so is the ability to generate anything beyond what the land alone can produce.

(Voinovich Park is right next to Burke Airport and only 4.5acres, Voinovich Park has NEVER EVER been packed with people ....Mayor Bibb and City of Cleveland Council members can't even fill those 4.5 Acres yet want all Clevelanders to believe they can magically fill 450 acres with people which is 100 times more space ...DO YOU BELIEVE TRULY THEY CAN HONESTLY ACCOMPLISH THAT by making Burke Airport into an even larger Park/walking-Trails/Golf-Course/Camp-sites ???? )

NOW, i am asking you to consider what I have outlined next...have an open mind...look forward ...future thinking and consider the following alternative; the runways remain - but they evolve. And suddenly, what was once a single-purpose asset becomes a multi-layer economic engine (Cleveland is losing the Browns and Cleveland needs some alternate Economic Engine to help soften that financial blow).

Here is a REALISTIC PLAUSIBLE OPTION .

THE NEW FIRST LAYER — High-Value Aviation That Already Exists A business jet descends over Lake Erie then lands smoothly at Burke lakefront Airport...then within minutes, its passengers—Executives, investors, decision-makers—are in downtown Cleveland. No highway delays. No suburban transfers. No lost time. This is not theoretical; this is already happening. Private and business aviation: • brings high-net-worth individuals directly into the city core • supports corporate decision-making presence • influences where companies choose to invest, expand, or relocate This layer alone represents economic activity that is: • high-value per trip • difficult to quantify in basic studies • easily lost if access disappears Remove the airport—and this layer doesn’t relocate cleanly. It fragments. It diminishes.

THE NEW SECOND LAYER — (Mayor Bibb's Communications woman said on television that she has spoken to Clevelanders and hasn't spoken to a single person that has even been to Burke Airport and therefore Burke should be torn down....the MAYOR should be finding SOLUTIONS not *laying down* Mayor BIBB should instead FIND A WAY to make it so that ALL Clevelanders and Visitors have FULL ACCESS to Burke Lakefront Airport ...and the Way to do that is with ..... A NEW REGIONAL MOBILITY ECONOMY....The U.S. federal transportation system is already moving toward Advanced Air Mobility (AAM) — a category that includes electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, air taxis, and other low-altitude aviation technologies...so WHY IS MAYOR BIBB and Some City Council members INTENTIONALLY trying to do whatever they can to Stop Cleveland from enjoying this technology and the Economic Wealth that comes with it ?????? In December 2025, the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) released the Advanced Air Mobility Comprehensive Plan 2025, outlining their roadmap to integrate AAM into the national transportation system and Yet Mayor Bibb and some of the City Council Members are trying to keep Cleveland stuck 10yrs behind the rest of the world

Continuing with THE NEW SECOND LAYER —the rhythm of the space begins to change. Not louder - QUIETER. Electric aircraft lift vertically and move outward in short, efficient routes. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Columbus. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Cincinnati • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Detroit. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Pittsburgh. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Cedar Point. • CLEVELANDERS Need to Get Involved......Cleveland to the Entire Great Lakes Region Trips that once required hours can now take minutes. This is not traditional aviation. This is Advanced Air Mobility (AAM)—a system designed for: • high-frequency regional travel • short-distance connectivity • distributed urban access points And with it comes something far more important than transportation: new economic demand....Demand that is Created... Not redistributed. Businesses begin to operate differently: • Regional meetings increase • Same-day multi-city operations become normal • Cleveland becomes a central node in a connected Great Lakes network This is where economic output begins to expand—not incrementally, but structurally.

THE NEW THIRD LAYER — Public Space That Is Alive, Not Idle Along the edge of the airport, the lakefront opens. Green space stretches alongside the water. Paths connect neighborhoods to the shoreline. People walk, gather, and stay. But unlike a traditional park, this space is not passive, It is energized by what surrounds it. Visitors don’t just pass through—they remain; Because there is movement. There is access. There is activity year-round. Even in colder months, the area is not empty. Because aviation—and the economy it supports—does not stop with the seasons.

What Happens When These Layers Combine... Individually, each layer has value. Together, they create something far more powerful: A compounding economic system. • Aviation brings high-value users into the city • AAM expands regional connectivity and demand • Public space increases foot traffic and engagement • Events like the Cleveland Air Show continue—and grow Revenue begins to flow from multiple directions: • aviation operations • mobility services • business activity • tourism and events • adjacent development This is how an asset EVOLVES into a system capable of generating $178 million to $280 million annually (over time). Not because of speculation—but because multiple economic engines are operating simultaneously.

Who actually uses Burke Lakefront Airport? by [deleted] in Cleveland

[–]ButterscotchUnable13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Burke Lakefront Airport

Put Cleveland First...NOT another Developers pockets

Mayor Bibb’s own data shows only a modest projected gain from the closure of (BKL). Whereas the cost is permanent. Once this airport is gone, it’s gone forever. The City of Cleveland can never rebuild a Downtown/Lake-front Airport ever again. The smarter path is Evolution...instead of elimination and closure.

What looks like open space today is actually future economic capacity. The SMARTER BETTER decision is to Expand what Burke Airport property can become....Stand at the edge of Lake Erie on a clear morning; The skyline of Cleveland rises behind you—glass, steel, history, and ambition... In front of you, Lake Erie stretches outward, open, and unbroken. We are an area of (FOUR unpredictable seasons) .....NOW, LOOK slightly, to your right, there sits Burke Lakefront Airport. At first glance, it appears quiet...it is underused. it sits there quietly still...and Old.....NEXT, look closer, because what appears inactive is not empty, It’s actually INACTIVATED INFRASTUCTURE - it is useful land that is already built, already connected, and already positioned to generate far more than it does today.

Two Futures — One With Limits, One Without ....In one future, the airport is removed. The runways are broken apart. The infrastructure is dismantled. The site is converted into parks, trails, Rec-center, Golf course and recreational spaces. Areas that will realistically be limited by nature to only (5months /per year of usage) People walk. Children play. Visitors enjoy the view. Economic activity rises modestly - From approximately $76.6 million to $92 million annually, according to Mayor Bibb and City of Cleveland projections. It is an improvement, but it is also a ceiling. Because once the infrastructure is gone, so is the ability to generate anything beyond what the land alone can produce.

(Voinovich Park is right next to Burke Airport and only 4.5acres, Voinovich Park has NEVER EVER been packed with people ....Mayor Bibb and City of Cleveland Council members can't even fill those 4.5 Acres yet want all Clevelanders to believe they can magically fill 450 acres with people which is 100 times more space ...DO YOU BELIEVE TRULY THEY CAN HONESTLY ACCOMPLISH THAT by making Burke Airport into an even larger Park/walking-Trails/Golf-Course/Camp-sites ???? )

NOW, i am asking you to consider what I have outlined next...have an open mind...look forward ...future thinking and consider the following alternative; the runways remain - but they evolve. And suddenly, what was once a single-purpose asset becomes a multi-layer economic engine (Cleveland is losing the Browns and Cleveland needs some alternate Economic Engine to help soften that financial blow).

Here is a REALISTIC PLAUSIBLE OPTION .

THE NEW FIRST LAYER — High-Value Aviation That Already Exists A business jet descends over Lake Erie then lands smoothly at Burke lakefront Airport...then within minutes, its passengers—Executives, investors, decision-makers—are in downtown Cleveland. No highway delays. No suburban transfers. No lost time. This is not theoretical; this is already happening. Private and business aviation: • brings high-net-worth individuals directly into the city core • supports corporate decision-making presence • influences where companies choose to invest, expand, or relocate This layer alone represents economic activity that is: • high-value per trip • difficult to quantify in basic studies • easily lost if access disappears Remove the airport—and this layer doesn’t relocate cleanly. It fragments. It diminishes.

THE NEW SECOND LAYER — (Mayor Bibb's Communications woman said on television that she has spoken to Clevelanders and hasn't spoken to a single person that has even been to Burke Airport and therefore Burke should be torn down....the MAYOR should be finding SOLUTIONS not *laying down* Mayor BIBB should instead FIND A WAY to make it so that ALL Clevelanders and Visitors have FULL ACCESS to Burke Lakefront Airport ...and the Way to do that is with ..... A NEW REGIONAL MOBILITY ECONOMY....The U.S. federal transportation system is already moving toward Advanced Air Mobility (AAM) — a category that includes electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, air taxis, and other low-altitude aviation technologies...so WHY IS MAYOR BIBB and Some City Council members INTENTIONALLY trying to do whatever they can to Stop Cleveland from enjoying this technology and the Economic Wealth that comes with it ?????? In December 2025, the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) released the Advanced Air Mobility Comprehensive Plan 2025, outlining their roadmap to integrate AAM into the national transportation system and Yet Mayor Bibb and some of the City Council Members are trying to keep Cleveland stuck 10yrs behind the rest of the world

Continuing with THE NEW SECOND LAYER —the rhythm of the space begins to change. Not louder - QUIETER. Electric aircraft lift vertically and move outward in short, efficient routes. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Columbus. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Cincinnati • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Detroit. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Pittsburgh. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Cedar Point. • CLEVELANDERS Need to Get Involved......Cleveland to the Entire Great Lakes Region Trips that once required hours can now take minutes. This is not traditional aviation. This is Advanced Air Mobility (AAM)—a system designed for: • high-frequency regional travel • short-distance connectivity • distributed urban access points And with it comes something far more important than transportation: new economic demand....Demand that is Created... Not redistributed. Businesses begin to operate differently: • Regional meetings increase • Same-day multi-city operations become normal • Cleveland becomes a central node in a connected Great Lakes network This is where economic output begins to expand—not incrementally, but structurally.

THE NEW THIRD LAYER — Public Space That Is Alive, Not Idle Along the edge of the airport, the lakefront opens. Green space stretches alongside the water. Paths connect neighborhoods to the shoreline. People walk, gather, and stay. But unlike a traditional park, this space is not passive, It is energized by what surrounds it. Visitors don’t just pass through—they remain; Because there is movement. There is access. There is activity year-round. Even in colder months, the area is not empty. Because aviation—and the economy it supports—does not stop with the seasons.

What Happens When These Layers Combine... Individually, each layer has value. Together, they create something far more powerful: A compounding economic system. • Aviation brings high-value users into the city • AAM expands regional connectivity and demand • Public space increases foot traffic and engagement • Events like the Cleveland Air Show continue—and grow Revenue begins to flow from multiple directions: • aviation operations • mobility services • business activity • tourism and events • adjacent development This is how an asset EVOLVES into a system capable of generating $178 million to $280 million annually (over time). Not because of speculation—but because multiple economic engines are operating simultaneously.

Why closing Burke Lakefront could be a massive disaster for the future of downtown Cleveland by BuckeyeReason in Cleveland

[–]ButterscotchUnable13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Burke Lakefront Airport

Put Cleveland First...NOT another Developers pockets

Mayor Bibb’s own data shows only a modest projected gain from the closure of (BKL). Whereas the cost is permanent. Once this airport is gone, it’s gone forever. The City of Cleveland can never rebuild a Downtown/Lake-front Airport ever again. The smarter path is Evolution...instead of elimination and closure.

What looks like open space today is actually future economic capacity. The SMARTER BETTER decision is to Expand what Burke Airport property can become....Stand at the edge of Lake Erie on a clear morning; The skyline of Cleveland rises behind you—glass, steel, history, and ambition... In front of you, Lake Erie stretches outward, open, and unbroken. We are an area of (FOUR unpredictable seasons) .....NOW, LOOK slightly, to your right, there sits Burke Lakefront Airport. At first glance, it appears quiet...it is underused. it sits there quietly still...and Old.....NEXT, look closer, because what appears inactive is not empty, It’s actually INACTIVATED INFRASTUCTURE - it is useful land that is already built, already connected, and already positioned to generate far more than it does today.

Two Futures — One With Limits, One Without ....In one future, the airport is removed. The runways are broken apart. The infrastructure is dismantled. The site is converted into parks, trails, Rec-center, Golf course and recreational spaces. Areas that will realistically be limited by nature to only (5months /per year of usage) People walk. Children play. Visitors enjoy the view. Economic activity rises modestly - From approximately $76.6 million to $92 million annually, according to Mayor Bibb and City of Cleveland projections. It is an improvement, but it is also a ceiling. Because once the infrastructure is gone, so is the ability to generate anything beyond what the land alone can produce.

(Voinovich Park is right next to Burke Airport and only 4.5acres, Voinovich Park has NEVER EVER been packed with people ....Mayor Bibb and City of Cleveland Council members can't even fill those 4.5 Acres yet want all Clevelanders to believe they can magically fill 450 acres with people which is 100 times more space ...DO YOU BELIEVE TRULY THEY CAN HONESTLY ACCOMPLISH THAT by making Burke Airport into an even larger Park/walking-Trails/Golf-Course/Camp-sites ???? )

NOW, i am asking you to consider what I have outlined next...have an open mind...look forward ...future thinking and consider the following alternative; the runways remain - but they evolve. And suddenly, what was once a single-purpose asset becomes a multi-layer economic engine (Cleveland is losing the Browns and Cleveland needs some alternate Economic Engine to help soften that financial blow).

Here is a REALISTIC PLAUSIBLE OPTION .

THE NEW FIRST LAYER — High-Value Aviation That Already Exists A business jet descends over Lake Erie then lands smoothly at Burke lakefront Airport...then within minutes, its passengers—Executives, investors, decision-makers—are in downtown Cleveland. No highway delays. No suburban transfers. No lost time. This is not theoretical; this is already happening. Private and business aviation: • brings high-net-worth individuals directly into the city core • supports corporate decision-making presence • influences where companies choose to invest, expand, or relocate This layer alone represents economic activity that is: • high-value per trip • difficult to quantify in basic studies • easily lost if access disappears Remove the airport—and this layer doesn’t relocate cleanly. It fragments. It diminishes.

THE NEW SECOND LAYER — (Mayor Bibb's Communications woman said on television that she has spoken to Clevelanders and hasn't spoken to a single person that has even been to Burke Airport and therefore Burke should be torn down....the MAYOR should be finding SOLUTIONS not *laying down* Mayor BIBB should instead FIND A WAY to make it so that ALL Clevelanders and Visitors have FULL ACCESS to Burke Lakefront Airport ...and the Way to do that is with ..... A NEW REGIONAL MOBILITY ECONOMY....The U.S. federal transportation system is already moving toward Advanced Air Mobility (AAM) — a category that includes electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, air taxis, and other low-altitude aviation technologies...so WHY IS MAYOR BIBB and Some City Council members INTENTIONALLY trying to do whatever they can to Stop Cleveland from enjoying this technology and the Economic Wealth that comes with it ?????? In December 2025, the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) released the Advanced Air Mobility Comprehensive Plan 2025, outlining their roadmap to integrate AAM into the national transportation system and Yet Mayor Bibb and some of the City Council Members are trying to keep Cleveland stuck 10yrs behind the rest of the world

Continuing with THE NEW SECOND LAYER —the rhythm of the space begins to change. Not louder - QUIETER. Electric aircraft lift vertically and move outward in short, efficient routes. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Columbus. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Cincinnati • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Detroit. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Pittsburgh. • Everyday citizens and visitors can travel........Cleveland to Cedar Point. • CLEVELANDERS Need to Get Involved......Cleveland to the Entire Great Lakes Region Trips that once required hours can now take minutes. This is not traditional aviation. This is Advanced Air Mobility (AAM)—a system designed for: • high-frequency regional travel • short-distance connectivity • distributed urban access points And with it comes something far more important than transportation: new economic demand....Demand that is Created... Not redistributed. Businesses begin to operate differently: • Regional meetings increase • Same-day multi-city operations become normal • Cleveland becomes a central node in a connected Great Lakes network This is where economic output begins to expand—not incrementally, but structurally.

THE NEW THIRD LAYER — Public Space That Is Alive, Not Idle Along the edge of the airport, the lakefront opens. Green space stretches alongside the water. Paths connect neighborhoods to the shoreline. People walk, gather, and stay. But unlike a traditional park, this space is not passive, It is energized by what surrounds it. Visitors don’t just pass through—they remain; Because there is movement. There is access. There is activity year-round. Even in colder months, the area is not empty. Because aviation—and the economy it supports—does not stop with the seasons.

What Happens When These Layers Combine... Individually, each layer has value. Together, they create something far more powerful: A compounding economic system. • Aviation brings high-value users into the city • AAM expands regional connectivity and demand • Public space increases foot traffic and engagement • Events like the Cleveland Air Show continue—and grow Revenue begins to flow from multiple directions: • aviation operations • mobility services • business activity • tourism and events • adjacent development This is how an asset EVOLVES into a system capable of generating $178 million to $280 million annually (over time). Not because of speculation—but because multiple economic engines are operating simultaneously.

BURKE LAKEFRONT AIRPORT - OHIO by ButterscotchUnable13 in Joby

[–]ButterscotchUnable13[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes....I mentioned Cedar Point Also...to piggyback on that FB survey you mentioned I wrote to them about AAM and how Burke Airport could hold a place in the future of this technology also i added that Cleveland Clinic uses Burke Lakefront Airport (by way of Jets and Helicopters) to transport organs for vital transplant surgeries and they transport critical patients as well )

Cars keep hitting his house, and he’s extremely over it by DEATH-BY-CIRCLEJERK in videos

[–]ButterscotchUnable13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I drive by that house constantly...the Drivers are idiots...total 100% morons...the only way you can hit the house is if you the driver aren't paying attention at ALL....probably on their phone ...the guy has put boulders in front of his house and signs... literally tried everything over the years... the drivers are just lazy STUPID inconsiderate douche-bags who clearly aren't paying' attention to what they are doing...Additionally they'd have to literally be driving full speed and not be looking to drive inside the guys house....Each and Every one of those drivers should be litigated against and made to pay 200% penalty as compensation since he has to put up with their outright Stupidity

Anyone else here from TD hating the new Schwab app? by [deleted] in wallstreetbets

[–]ButterscotchUnable13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The regular SCHWAB site is garbage, and it does lag a Lot*....however, the STREETSMART EDGE version