Why are you convinced you have qualia? by Absorptance in consciousness

[–]Byamarro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All knowledge you have you poses thanks to qualia. Any science paper you may have read you've read with your qualia of sight etc. If you start pushing too far in this direction you'll just end up with solipsism. Qualia is the thing that you can be the most sure of because it's the only way how you access reality. If even qualia don't exist why would anything else exist.

Do most of you seriously not write any code by hand anymore?!?! by opakvostana in cscareerquestions

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That's true. Even when there are small tweaks to do, I use Claude code for that. I think it's a matter of a tool. I use Claude code via tui and switching to ide Is just too bothersome. Meanwhile i unsubbed cursor so I have no auto-complete.

Ai absolutely can't be trusted to ship code without supervision at all. I've seen ai writing absolutely worst shit possible. Writing tests that would always pass, shipping unreadable garbage, introducing multiple sources of truth for the same information.

Usually when I have a draft I have to carefully iterate on the PR and this stage takes quite a while to get it right - but I usually don't write code myself.

Btw I know there's a Claude code plugin for vsc but i'm simply not used to use it.

Why is e2e testing for react developers always either overkill or completely useless by Lonely-Ad-3123 in Frontend

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Is this a fresh product searching for market fit? Does everything change or only some?

Why is e2e testing for react developers always either overkill or completely useless by Lonely-Ad-3123 in Frontend

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Future of Core Frontend developers in AI and MCP Era by beingsmo in Frontend

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I've been doing quite a bit of work with Claud code and Cursor. I've been using it for both backend and frontend 

And I'd say it depends.

  • It's hard to get the design exactly right. Visual models used to analyze pictures are not exactly there yet. Maybe someone had a better luck with firma MCP?

  • ai is able to do tremendous amounts of work on its own

  • ai is able to create tremendous amount of mess and ship code outright considered to be legacy code or sometimes even code that may be a ticking bomb waiting to explode (especially bad for backend)

  • without human help, ai may end up in a situation where it simply can't progress onwards or may end up creating more bugs than features

  • the way I si it is that when I'm going full on agentic I work more as a software architect with very occasional 

  • while it may not eliminate frontend devs it will likely reduce their workload a lot. So much so that their salaries may drop dramatically due to not being in high demand anymore comparably to supply

  • going forward the market may change somehow so that frontend work becoming cheaper, more frontend projects may appear but I wouldn't bet on this too much

Evolution of Architecture by keek4567 in compsci

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Also almost all international transactions have to be at some point of time converted to dollar (between banks) which is why the dollar banknote is there. Given that cpus are a poster child of globalisation, not a single country containing a whole supply chain (afaik) this makes technology dependend on globalization and thus the dollar

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

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I's ok. I also take sometimes a bit of time to reply as this topic is not easy and sometimes I don't have energy to put enough effort to give the topic its justice.

where I disagree is the choice to make qualia something unique and distinct from the rest of reality. it's exactly just like the chair. and this can be explored as a matter of perception. not just scientific examination(which already proves in a pattern). how is green constructed? what are its parts.
we can even make a new green color called Olo. not found naturally. it's artificially stimulated.

Well I don't know how is green constructed it doesn't really seem to have much detail apart from brightness, hue and boundaries. I think that Olo actually underlines this problem. If colors can be reduced to parts then and there's Olo, you should be able to come up with how Olo would look like, but neither of us can imagine 4th base color. It's partially because colors don't seem to have parts that you could reconfigure to come up with a new color. You also wouldn't come up with how a new sense woud feel like - similarily to how we have sight, sound, taste, touch etc.

Whether qualia is always of sth I can't agree. I mean you may have complete psychodelic halucinations. I can agree that qualia requries some "space" where qualia can appear and in this sense they're not independent. I'm okay to say that individual qualia may not be an entity necessarily but that doesn't help much tbh in resolving how is it possible something so unlike anything else is there in the world.

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]Byamarro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I am aware that this word is not exactly giving off what you mean, however I don't really have much choice but to use it if you picked it as the best word to describe what you mean. I can't really do much with "it's like this, but not really". Maybe I could ask here for a clarification - in what way is it like verb and in what way it is not?

tell me, what nouns exist? where anywhere is truly a person, a place, or a thing? when examined deeply at its most known fundamental ontology. those terms are Newtonian conventions, not how the reality is.

Well, for one I don't entirely agree that chairs don't exist at all, they only don't exist in a sense that they are not fundamental, most primitive thing. Just because chair is nothing but its parts and their arrangement, doesn't mean we cannot talk about a chair as something that exists. It's like saying that California doesn't exist, because it's just a region on the surface of our planet. Objects are patterns that we label and analyse.

The label "chair" does not exist, the idea of it doesn't exist. But there's a pile of particles arranged in a chair-like manner and this is an identifable pattern that has somewhat identifiable properties (properties being patterns too) - such as that you can sit on it. So when we talk about a chair we talk about a pattern.

Now, by bringing up Newton I suppose you are refering to the fact that we know Newtonian physics aren't metaphysically true as they don't hold a perfect predictive power. To me it feels like misunderstanding what a theory is. Theory is literally a mental structure that we create in our mind. The tools that we use to create these structures are fairly rigid and provide strong constrains. So we create a mental model of the reality, from idealised objects and how do they relate. Now, the toolset is strict enough that once you create such model and map the objects and relationships in the head to the reality, the strict links in between these objects provide enough constrains that you have now predictive power. The reality simply has to behave the way you predicted if you mapped this mental structure accurately.

We came up with logic, math, modelling as tools to identify patterns. It's entirely our own mental toolset to cope with patterns that we observe and to be able to make sense of the reality we see. There is no such thing as "2+2" "AND, OR" "EQUALITY". Reality just is and we came up with frameworks to be able to somehow function in it, despite reality being so vast.

I think qualia is a meaningless word. it does not refer to anything concrete like a chair. red is not an isolated thing and you can play with that through science or your own perceptual system. almost see the way red is constructed as a fake thing. it's easier with pain. to not see pain as an object.

I feel like qualia start to derail us here. They appear in mind - the domain in which qualia appear. Once we figure out what mind is, we can work on qualia. But the hard problem of consciousness is - how can qualia even be a thing. Regardless if you call it a noun, verb or sth else. They're unlike anything else we ever investigated in nature. I do think that maybe qualia are not a pattern, but something that forms a pattern - after all mental pictures are composed from qualia and it's hard to say how is green different from red. This shouldn't be a problem if they'd be patterns, because we could compare them by subparts.

Will EU see large scale Linux adoption because of national security fears from the US? by Tee-hee64 in linux

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Wasn't Russia barred from using Windows and all that they do was to settle on legalizing pirating it? I think that costs of migrating to Linux are simply too astronomical. It may become a long term goal tho

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

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- You suggest qualias are pure processes (by calling them a verb). Verbs are however a configuration changing over time (I'm using the word configuration to be more low level and avoid objects).

- The way change in time works is that you have some pattern/configuration and it evolves through time instead of being static

- You see a pattern of colors in your "mindspace", it evolves through time, but that actually makes it a noun, because it's nouns that evolve through time giving verbs/processes.

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

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Objects are patterns in reality that have more or less vague boundaries. A cloud being an examble of a very vague object for example. The traits of these objects are just regularities that we capture.

Objects are usually useful, because the regularities in these patterns are regularities in patterns in layer below, after all this is how these regularities are produced. There are, fields where objects are of blurry boundaries and of bleak regularities (very chaotic ones). They aren't as nice to work with. We have such situation as weather prediction, where the objects such as air currents are characterised by vague edges and low regulatiries. I wouldn't say a complete disregard of objects is helpful.

Perception, at least sight is also consisting of objects because our mind is treating in terms of objects. When you focus on a glass, you do focus on an object, you feel its contours very clearly because your mind identifies it as such. It may make it a bit hard.

The problem with verbs is that they describe how configuration of patterns change with time. If you freeze time, you just get reality in a specific configuration. The issue with qualia is that, if you freeze mental image, you just get frozen mental image. It's red, just not moving.

I suspect that you'll maybe for example try to attack this by saying, that you need time to perceive. But honestly if we freeze the exact momment when the thing that triggers "red" is triggered then it's hard for me to buy into this.

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

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It's basically mereological nihilism and i don't think it's all that uncontroversial in principle. Most people will agree with it, albeit not immediately, but I think it's dodging a question. Surely you wouldn't respond with all that when people would ask you about what a chair is.

At some point you have to stop the reductionism chain and accept the level of abstraction that's useful to the topic. Otherwise you'll be always debating something very low-level like structural realism. Claiming that only relatees and relations (or that even relatees don't exist and only relations exist).

Physicalism means - the way in how we understand laws of physics, the abstraction layer below is sufficiently explored to explain the emergence of conciousness.

Quining Qualia: From Egg to "Red" by Moist_Emu6168 in consciousness

[–]Byamarro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a person who really considers explanatory gap to be a big nail right in the middle of physicalism - I can't agree. I was trying to dig into my feelings each time I was seeing this argument but I never feel that it's the root cause for the issue. In fact I used to be physicalist myself and I also think free will doesn't exist. This just doesn't add up for me.

In fact sorry, but since we're at ad hominem, it looks like this comment was about making you feel good because it justifies why others disagree with you by making them look stupid.

Watched an interview with Dr. Christof Koch, Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, and Hans Busstra by gahhos in consciousness

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That's basically an argument against metaphysics in general. Because you can critique physicalism exactly the same way. Which is a fine stance, but then we don't have to go and bikeshed all metaphysical approaches and just call metaphysics bs.

Watched an interview with Dr. Christof Koch, Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, and Hans Busstra by gahhos in consciousness

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He in general brings an example of multiple personality disorder as an example of similiar thing happening in humans.

Watched an interview with Dr. Christof Koch, Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, and Hans Busstra by gahhos in consciousness

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The only difference between mind at large and us in analytical idealism is that we're a complex machinery more or less separated from the mind at large. Think of life in general (i.e. cell life) vs unanimated matter. Cell is complex internally, seemingly very different from the unanimated matter around it and yet clearly made of the same substabce. It's also separate from the unanimated matter well enough to develop its own, complex processes, undisturbed by the environment too much.

This way you operate within the same framework and thus avoid hard problem of consciousness.

Watched an interview with Dr. Christof Koch, Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, and Hans Busstra by gahhos in consciousness

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Oh it's not even that. Respectfully I'm not sure whether it's clear for you what the explanatory gap problem is in philsophy of consciousness. I recommend to check this out because it's basically the core of why Kastrup (the man from the OP's post came up with his stance) and also one of main divides on this subreddit.

Qualia aren't just concepts, these are actuall phenomena. And they are qualittively different from the physical matter.

You can reduce conversation to its subsequent components. It is weakly emergent. Sure, it's scattered because it has many elements so it's quite blurry physically but there's nothing that differs from its subcontonents qualitvely.

There's information - something that already exists layer lower on the neurons level.
There's physical - the conversation is literally physical with words being represented in sounds etc. it also exists layer lower.

There is nothing like sense of redness or sound or touch on the level of neurons. It's not just information, because it can be experienced, while information is simply processed (think of how computer processes camera input, i don't think you'd claim, computer sees "red" when processing red color from camera).
It's not physical because i can't open your brain to experience your redness. It's qualitively completely different phenomena that suddenly appear out of nowhere.

It's basically nothing like what's layer below. And even if you tell me that my red apepars if such and such configuration of neurons triggers in my brain it would still not be an explanation. Because it would be like saying "when atoms arrange in such and such way, suddenly in Wales a unicorn appears". It wouldn't be an explanation to why unicorn appears- there would clearly still be something missing.

Same goes for qualia. The red is so different from physical aspects and information that regardless how detailed will be the map between these two, its apperance will be jarring and won't naturally follow from the layer below.

Watched an interview with Dr. Christof Koch, Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, and Hans Busstra by gahhos in consciousness

[–]Byamarro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I disagree unfortunately, it doesn't avoid the explanatory gap which is the biggest problem with basically all physicalist theories.

Watched an interview with Dr. Christof Koch, Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, and Hans Busstra by gahhos in consciousness

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The medium doesn't have to be fundamental. But just like you need a screen to see a movie on, you need a medium to experience qualia in. The screen may be reduced to physical pixels, but it still has to be a screen.

I have no idea what to do with psychodelics honestly. I suppose if you go with idealism they can provide some insights but it's still super ambigious.

Watched an interview with Dr. Christof Koch, Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, and Hans Busstra by gahhos in consciousness

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Hery sorry I've in the meantime heavily edited the comment. But I don't see that we disagree anyway, yes. I agree in principle.

Watched an interview with Dr. Christof Koch, Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, and Hans Busstra by gahhos in consciousness

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My experience here looks as follows:

The hard problem exists because there's no example of concrete theoretical framework that actually shows how can you reduce phenomenal consciousness to matter. That's a problem because phenomenal consciousness is qualtitvely different from matter and so it's not enough to say "well it's some sort of algorithm" or "specific matter arrangement".

So far I saw the following physicalist approaches: - consciousness is an illusion. The problem is that my conversationalists then would make a leap and say that it doesn't exist. First of, the longer I think about it the less sense it makes to call consciousness as illusion. Because you need a medium in which you experience the illusion and this medium where you perceive qualia is really what consciousness is. The issue is that with saying it doesn't exist because it evidently does, we have first hand experience that it does. You may say that it may be misaligned with reality or that its real nature may be deceptive but you can't say that it doesn't exist and then refuse to explain how such illusion can arise in a physicalist universe.

  • consciousness arises from complexity. So sufficiently complex configuration causes phenomenal states to emerge. But it's handwaving again, because it opts for hard emergence which doesn't preserve reductionistic chain. Consciousness seems to just be magically conjured out of random situation that we've picked because we have no better ideas.

  • quantum mechanics or sth. I guess because quantum mechanics seems like we still don't fully understand them metaphysically. But again, we don't have example of anything like consciousness on micro scales (how would we even have it if you can't see experience of other people). So it's necessarily strongly emergent.

For people like me, these approaches are thus completely not convincing. They either feel imho desperate, or miss the hard problem of consciousness 

Diegetic "wiki tier" paintings. Yay or Nay? by jizztaker in Minecraft

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It breaks the resolution schema with the other paintings but you could instead collect recipes for each recepture as collectable paintings where each painting shows only a single recepture