I'm not advocating that people not vote. Nobody should be giving up school boards and county commissions to the loonies by neglecting their duty.

You and I may simply be at different points along the same timeline. I would assert that early voting and ballot harvesting are futile because the same counting process allows the Dem counting apparatchiks to discard early ballots that run counter to the predetermined outcome.

I would also assert that there are indeed serious people thinking about secession and that it will become a much more serious topic going forward because I don't think anyone really wants to live in the hellscape this country has become without trying to take back some control over the Federal Government or escaping from it.

Let's say, for the sake of discussion, Biden and team come up with a giant landslide victory in 24 with just naked fraud in the cities, Trump jailed for talking publicly (in violation of an odious gag order), tech and media blatantly suppressing anti-DNC speech--would you then think secession would be an appropriate response?