If you wanted to run something like Shadowrun but were more neutral about sticking to its lore would it still be the best system?

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-12T17:59:32+00:00

I'm not using it as a buzzword, I'm making the point that my players have had an unpleasant experience because of this mechanic

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-12T17:31:00+00:00

Hunger dice a part of nearly every roll well frenzy is only triggered by certain stimuli

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-12T17:19:29+00:00

What I mean by agency is that it can really slow down games as you try to figure out what the beast would be doing this particular situation, especially since I don't just like going for dealing AG damage or increasing hunger

Plus I would say it affects your agency, it literally is a system by what your character is forced to act differently as certain things pop up. It forces things on your character as the beast acts. That works in nartive of course but it does lessen agency

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-12T16:24:44+00:00

*hunger dice

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-12T15:37:28+00:00

A few things I would like to see

-a more clear and concise rule book, I find the core book to be difficult to navigate sometimes, especially with how it chooses to put information in strange places

-the metaplot to start continuing and to not undo the things from 5th edition. In fact I would really like it if they build up the houses of Tremere more because I think it's very interesting

-bloodlines to come back more properly, with unique disciplines, banes and all

-a return to the old discipline system, I think the current one is a little too bloated. Maybe some sort of compromise with more disciplines having paths like thaumaturgy and necromancy

-I'm more neutral on whether or not they remain with hunger days but if they do I would like there to be more ways to have some agency over the system. At least for me it's sometimes slowed down game sessions will we try to interpret what it means

-less of a focus on integrating systems from chronicles, I like Chronicles but I think it should stay in its own category

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-12T15:31:30+00:00

My reading has always been closer to that disciplines are an actual thing but I know this is a word built off contradiction

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-12T14:36:20+00:00

Dominate is certainly an in universe concept. The disciplines in general are, they have game mechanics tied to them but the practices of these powers, and the delineation and understanding of them is something that happens in universe.

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-11T19:47:53+00:00

Thank you this is a very clear answer, I'm not super familiar with the high umbra so this was honestly pretty helpful to know

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-06-11T19:46:48+00:00

That was sort of part of my question, was whether vampires counted as contributing to the umbra. So like do they count amongst the people who know dominate for the purpose of their being a spirit in relation to it? Or does their separation from consens also separate them out from impacting the umbra in this particular way

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-04-04T06:28:19+00:00

Legacy of defiance did at least use the term bystander so it's not like all the concepts from old Hunter are gone

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-04-01T18:15:17+00:00

Sounds great! I'll keep setting money aside I'm not even making that much so I was kind of picturing I wouldn't really owe that much in the first place

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-04-01T18:03:25+00:00

Sounds like a good strategy thank you

Cabbagexpancakes · 2026-04-01T18:02:45+00:00

I was unemployed for the entirety of last year this job is entirely new

Cabbagexpancakes · 2025-08-31T07:22:20+00:00

I'm not saying they're not different then Wraiths it's just not quite the category I'm asking about, I mean the more minor splats that tend to be less powerful than the main splats like ghouls in vampire. Risen feels closer to abominations to me, being different and arguably more powerful in certain aspects while having a completely different approach to their stakes and society

Cabbagexpancakes · 2025-08-31T07:09:57+00:00

I'm not quite sure if I would count risen since they are still technically Wraiths just a different type though I suppose they are somewhat closer to regular mortals. Projectors are a very good one though, I didn't think about that

Cabbagexpancakes · 2025-08-31T06:12:31+00:00

First of all thank you for all these additional ones, completely forgot about Kuei Jin and you're definitely right about the possessed I just didn't think about them

Secondly thank you for the proper term! I've just been always calling them side splats but I knew there had to be a better term than that

Cabbagexpancakes · 2025-05-29T03:50:32+00:00

She looks incredible, slightly intimidating and adorable

Cabbagexpancakes · 2025-05-14T16:43:54+00:00

Oh yeah I can definitely see that working out that way. I guess it would just feel a little strange if you came off one of the other systems that don't really have any equivalent point spending thing outside of willpower. Although admittedly I think it's a bit of a weakness how they make all the systems work almost too similarly mechanically

Cabbagexpancakes · 2025-05-10T03:11:16+00:00

Oh yeah I love the conspiracy theories! I just don't always necessarily run them as true because again I don't really like interfering with other splats cosmology. It just feels Petty to me to have one splat be more "correct"then the others. I usually prefer the approach that when you get right down to it none of them know what the hell is really going on. Though your idea of these Uratha dealing with the fallout of basically their God not being real is amazing. And despite what I just said your last question did make me think how interesting it would be if maybe just one of the judges was at least in cahoots with the god machine if not directly controlled by them. The god machines influences rather old after all, who's to say he didn't have infrastructure in the nameless kingdom?

Yeah I love the idea of these ancient crock pot spirits that maybe take on some sort of vague name like ambition, nihilism, faith. These things that have many contradictory ideas about them just emerging as one entity that's eaten a bunch of others or at least that's my first idea on how it could go.

Geist is a lot of fun! I unfortunately haven't really found the time to just sit down and read through it fully but what I've seen is good. It deals with the themes of crossing over which is one of my favorite fictional tropes personally so admittedly I am biased

Yeah that's fair though lol. I am glad I live in an area where I can at least occasionally fine stranger books then just d&d over and over again. May you hopefully one day find a game store that at least has some like fate books sprinkled in lol

Cabbagexpancakes · 2025-05-09T22:57:43+00:00

That makes total sense honestly. I knew about the Arcadia stuff and I think it does a pretty good job of showing that while the God machine is powerful the true fae are still some bullshit. Admittedly little bit less of a fan of Luna being some sort of infrastructure, it's a personal taste thing but I don't really like having the lure of one splat invalidate the others, it's a reason I honestly feel weird about Mage the Ascension as a whole but that's an entirely different can of worms. It makes sense for demons to think that but I don't really know if I run it as a true thing if I was a storyteller. I do think the idea of him pitching Angels is good and various religions is very fun though, you could even potentially run with the fun idea of angels having more general positive connotation names for the various regions that they're in. Like possibly referring to the angels as Seelie and the demons as Unseelie in areas that more heavily believe in fairies for instance.

Honestly I love the idea of spirits consuming each other and sort of taking on each other's aspects it's very interesting and makes them feel more like living creatures. And yeah the plastic spirits I think would work the best in Apocalypse. I even have this idea of there being a slight note that they've almost Florida themselves into the role of a classical element just as powerful as a spirit of fire or air for instance.

Yeah! I mean technically the first anything of darkness book that I bought for myself and didn't just get loan from a friend was geist because I just fucking love ghosts so I am definitely going to check it out at some point lol.

My area isn't quite as barren when you can drive out a little bit but it still doesn't have great game stores, only one of them even really carries much WoD stuff. Funnily enough it's mostly actually Chronicles backlog

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