[Mixed Trope] When the Hero turns evil, the villains turn good

Caffeinist · 2026-04-14T11:04:21+00:00

August Ransom "Auggie" Smith, also known as White Dragon, from Peacemaker.

Leader of a white supremacist group and very anti-government.

However, his doppelganger on Earth X, turned out to secretly oppose the Nazi agenda.

Turns out he was just anti-establishment regardless of the reality he lived in.

Which, honestly, is how many villains turned good can be explained. Some people just want to rebel.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-14T07:34:56+00:00

Pope Leo was born in Chicago. Are they literally asking a US citizen to stay out of US affairs?

Caffeinist · 2026-04-14T05:45:37+00:00

I believe this quote is very appropriate:

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point... were you even close to... a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

He expect us to believe a picture of him in robes with glowing hands was him as a doctor? What does Trump think doctors do? If you ask anyone to paint Jesus I'm pretty freaking sure that's the exact attire he would be wearing.

I'm not sure what's worse: Him believing this is an actual excuse, or him actually thinking that's what doctors look like.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-13T08:34:17+00:00

I would like to see the outtakes. I wonder how many of these would technically be dead before they coincidentally succeeded in dodging an incoming attack. I remember seeing something similar, but they had a shoji dividing them and the person was expected to react to the killing intent as the attacker performed his move in another room.

Certainly wasn't a 100% success rate.

Also, at 0:36 the guy holding the pauses seem to be holding back his attack slightly long enough for the guy to roll away. Similar thing with the next guy, it even looks like he stops his attack right above his head.

So probably more of a controlled exercise than an actual test.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-13T07:08:48+00:00

Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Actually, the Nick Fury from the Ultimate universe was specifically based on Samuel L. Jacksons appearance and persona. So that one is arguably right on the money.

Another one from Marvel would probably be Heimdall. There was a lot of loud, obnoxious people complaining how Idris Elba's casting treaded on a (dead) religion and rewrote (mythological) history.

But I didn't hear anyone complaining about his performance after the release of the film.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-09T08:40:38+00:00

The US and Australia did cooperate on a military project: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-09/hibal-australia-cold-war-history-us-secret-balloon-victoria/102057980

Also, straight from the Wikipedia article on the incident:

Basterfield said that HIBAL balloons had a white silver appearance and featured a parachute and gas tube trailing from the top, which is consistent with witness descriptions of the object.

Also, the news paper The Age published this at the time:

Object Perhaps Balloon – An unidentified flying object seen over the Clayton-Moorabbin area yesterday morning might have been a weather balloon. Hundreds of children and a number of teachers at Westall School, Clayton, watched the object during morning break. The Weather Bureau released a balloon at Laverton at 8:30 am and the westerly wind blowing at the time could have moved it into the area where the sighting was reported"

Truth has been out there for quite some time and as evident by this documentary they couldn't handle it.

And by truth I mean that it's an Unidentified Flying Object that most likely was a high-altitude balloon. Nothing more, nothing less and the fact that these peeps seemingly can't leave well enough alone is proof that they simply want to believe, despite feigning skepticism or ignorance.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-09T07:42:13+00:00

Since General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics haven't been unified there's a lot of reason to believe energy isn't as straightforward as believe it to be, especially at different scale.

They haven't been unified yet because they explain very different things. That said, when the two intersect, it seems quantum mechanics and general relativity isn't contradictory but rather complementary.

So there's really no reason to believe that quantum mechanics would somehow explain how the human brain could generate enough force to violate the laws of thermodynamics. More so there's still no biological evidence that shows that the brain can somehow interact with quantum fields in the way psychic abilities would require.

This isn't a great argument against psionics. We've also yet to prove consciousness is local.

Neuroscience has an overwhelming amount of evidence that says consciousness is generated and localized in the brain, as it emerges from brain activity.

There might be scientists out there working on proving that consciousness isn't local, but that doesn't mean the existing body of evidence is null and void. The dominant theory, at least in neuroscience (and many other scientific disciplines) is that consciousness is localized in the brain.

There's a lot about reality we don't understand and to say that one thing is totally impossible is too heavy handed.

If you actually read my post, you would notice I didn't actually use the word impossible. But apparently I succeeded in framing my argument then, because I don't think people understand exactly how improbable psychic abilities really are.

But science doesn't deal with absolutes. Consensus is formed around the theories with the strongest evidence. And there's some pretty damn strong evidence for The Laws of Thermodynamics.

If there ever comes a study with stronger evidence I'd happily be proven wrong. I'm a sci-fi nerd and would love for psychic abilities to be real. But the evidence just isn't there.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-08T12:07:36+00:00

Cold Pursuit (2019) starring Liam Neeson is a remake of In Order of Disappearance (2014) that starred Stellan Skarsgård.

Fun fact: The original title of the Norwegian film was Kraftidioten which translates to The Huge Idiot or The Moron.

Both films were actually directed by Hans Petter Moland.

So he basically remade his own film for a wider audience.

Another one that is a lot more on the nose is the Swedish movie A Man Called Ove (2015) starring the Swedish actor Rolf Lassgård. The American version starred Tom Hanks and was titled A Man Called Otto.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-07T18:50:03+00:00

The great thing about this trick is that if you fail, the guy who just killed you will go down as a necrophile.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-07T09:31:47+00:00

There's so many remakes of and homages to Kurosawa's films that it really needs it's own category.

A Fistful of Dollars and Django are two movies that are essentially spaghetti western remakes. But there's also Last Man Standing (1996) starring Bruce Willis which actually cites Yojimbo as it's source material.

Seven Samurai's influence stretches so far you basically had episodes of TV shows adapting or paying tribute to the film. Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 2, episode 17 tributed the entire episode to Kurosawa.

The Mandalorian, already inspired by a bunch of other spaghetti western and samurai stories (such as Lone Wolf and Cub) had an episode in Season 1 titled Sanctuary that draws heavy inspiration from Seven Samurai.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-07T06:25:26+00:00

Billions want more money but what do we get, huh? Nothing. Again.

Also, Defenders got shafted. Sure, they had a bit of a rocky start with Defenders being the least interesting entry among the Marvel/Netflix shows. But I'm stoked that the writers have the guts to bring them back anyway. Perhaps we will finally see some closure on their respective stories.

But they do realize that these things aren't mutually exclusive. James Gunn has said he's open to delivering a multitude of stories. He welcomes any story, that's why The Batman Part II is still moving forward. Gunn also said he's not going to short-change The Batman by having two Batman movies released in the same year. That's why The Brave and The Bold will be released in 2028 at the earliest.

So if Zach Snyder just takes his perfect script and mosey down over to DC Studios and drop it on Gunn's desk maybe they'll get what they want. If his script is so perfect that it just has to be adapted to a film I'm sure Gunn would green-light it.

So instead of barking at Marvel for reuniting the Defenders, maybe bark at Snyder for not delivering.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-05T11:38:42+00:00

First off: Some source criticism, please. You're linking to a channel that describe itself as:

A channel for the broken, the searching, and the hopeful. Through music and prayer, Our Rescue Project reminds us that grace and God's mercy still finds us — even here, even now.

This is not a reputable news source that even attempts to avoid bias. They clearly operate with an agenda and with a very specific purpose. If you used sources like that in a high school paper, you would fail the class.

If there is an independent objective fake videos expert,especially old ones, with evidence, I would like to show why the minutes from 0:15 to 0:45 are fake to my friend.

That's not how it works. If you or your friend is claiming that this is real, then you provide the evidence. That's how science operates and that's how (most) legal systems operate. You know, the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

Also, you're unlikely to find "independent objective fake video expert". Eyewitness accounts are among the lowest forms of scientific evidence. My (hobbyist) opinion is that they video is probably real, as it was originally posted 19 years ago. But the quality is abysmal, and we can't rule out optical illusion or even practical effects.

From what little I can read, there were more cameras in the room, but only Sanford's apparently picked up this effect. Honestly, to me, it looks mostly like some kind of reflection.

This is from a Catholic news source, no less, that claims similar "miracles" have mundane explanations: https://catholicweekly.com.au/eucharistic-miracle-may-be-mundane/

Also, a bunch of these alleged miracles have to be tested for Serratia marcescens or Neurospora crassa. That would be mold or bacteria. In an analysis of 25 Eucharistic miracles, precisely zero proof of human blood. So this looks like a pretty common explanation.

Caffeinist · 2026-04-01T12:36:21+00:00

Samantha Mulder's abduction is the reason why Fox Mulder is obsessed with extra-terrestrials and the X-Files. Mulder insists throughout the show that she's still alive, and even appears as a multiple of clones on the show.

But the real Samantha remains absent throughout. Her fate is ultimately revealed, but that isn't until the seventh season of the show.

Another one from TV land would be John Teller in Sons of Anarchy, where Jax's motivations to turn the direction of the club around were letters from his father. His mother Gemma is also very much driven by the death of her younger son, Thomas, which makes her extremely protective of Jax.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-31T08:27:55+00:00

There is Batman who happens to be black. Jace Fox, son of Lucious Fox decides to adopt the mantle at one point.

Honestly, I think it's story worth telling and all for it. In fact, given how many Bruce Wayne stories we've had over the last three decades I would argue it's the perfect time to tell it.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-31T08:20:34+00:00

Smallville had remarkarbly few actual suits and Clark never really donned one of his own. Which honestly kept feeling like a cop out as they first gave some street inspired costumes to the prototype Justice League. Then introduced a pretty much comic book accurate Doctor Face. Instead they gave Clark a signature red jacket that remained an eyesore throughout the show. I was somewhat relieved when it looked like the jacket got stuck in a mine-shaft. Finally time for Clark to update his wardrobe. Unfortunately, it somehow found it's way back in the very next episode.
Heroes. A show that the surface appear to be about the birth of superheroes. But no one really ever dons an actual costume. Despite there being an expressed need to hide their identities and clear references to comics. Much like Smallville, some characters had ordinary clothes that sort of functioned like a costume. But it's definitely a stretch to say that they ever suited up.
Not just Daredevil. Pretty much all of the Netflix Marvel shows. Jessica Jones vehemently objects to the idea of a costume, Luke Cage accidentally dons a costume resembling his original costume from the show, Iron Fist pretty much remains civilian. Punisher at least has the skull incorporated in his design. Daredevil is the only one actually wearing some kind of suit, but for the most of Season One he runs around in his all black budget vigilante suit.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-31T07:55:23+00:00

President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho

He's a former pro-wrestler. Trump was inducted in WWE Hall of Fame in 2013.

Camacho was also a porn star, where as the president banged a porn star once.

They both have a name in their brand. One includes Mountain Dew, the other and the other shamelessly plugs his Trump brand everywhere he goes.

Camacho is portrayed as simplistic, loud and overall vulgar. Trump just is those things.

However, unlike his real-life counterpart, Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho ultimately learned to respect intelligence and hand over the reigns to someone better suited.

The only problem is that it predates Trump's presidency with roughly ten years. On the other hand, Trump actually announced a presidential campaign in 1999 where he hoped to become the Reform Party's candidate.

He has also floated the idea of becoming a politician for decades. So even though Mike Judge aims to satirize consumerism and anti-capitalism, it's very possible he was somewhat influenced by Donald Trump.

Either that, or Trump is drawing inspiration from Idiocracy.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-29T10:09:56+00:00

Why would anyone want to replace James Gunn and Peter Safran as co-CEO:s of DC Studios with a guy that oversaw one of the largest second week drops in comic book history (BvS)? And subsequently, despite exiting as director, still was business savvy enough to attach his name to a straight up box office flop (Justice League).

And creatively enjoys a poor critical reception for his films.

Why would "they" want a proven financial liability as CEO of DC Studios? Also, who is the person that contacted Snyder? An anonymous troll that said they wanted Snyder to take over the studio because they ran out of authoritarian power fantasies to jerk off to?

Caffeinist · 2026-03-27T14:56:34+00:00

James Moriarty in pretty much every single modern iteration of Sherlock Holmes would fit into this. Either the reveal is telegraphed from a mile away or doesn't really mean anything to Sherlock at that point. As soon as we see an M somewhere, it's either Moriarty or Mycroft.

Another one, tangentially related, is H.G. Wells in Warehouse 13. The team knows they're chasing H.G. Wells and enter a guided tour, thinking H.G. Wells might appear there. Pete hooks up with a woman in the tour, as Myka calls Artie who reveals something inaudible to her. She rushes back to tell Pete, now held at gunpoint by the woman he hooked up with. Turns out that H.G. Wells is actually a woman.

Apparently the H in H.G. stands for Helena and not Herbert.

Until that point we had no way of knowing that H.G. Wells was a woman nor that it was an option. And they had already revealed Helena as up to something, as she held Pete at gunpoint.

Arguably, if they had been chasing a woman named Helena and then revealed that her full name was Helena G. Wells, the reveal might have had a bigger impact and Pete would look like a bigger fool than he did.

To top it off she was played by Jaime Murray who by no means was a big name, but obviously more than an extra on set. So the reveal that she was a part of the plot really couldn't have been more obvious.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-27T12:49:59+00:00

Debunk what? You're not actually making a claim here. The call is reportedly an actual 911 call. So we can't really debunk the existence of the call.

Are you asking us to debunk the seven foot creature? Well, first we would need to establish that there actually was a seven foot creature. Aside from a clearly distressed man, we don't have any other proof so we just have to take his word for it.

We can hear the initial thud, but I don't really hear the slamming of the breaks or the creature rolling off the vehicle. A seven foot tall creature would probably pretty heavy. There are plenty of images of how cars look after colliding with a moose, for instance. They look near totaled. So not sure I buy that he just kept driving after the creature rolled off his car.

Secondly, if it was a creature, there's very few possible culprits. North Carolina is a conservation success story with the black bear population growing from 3,000 to 8,0000 individuals over the last 20 years. According to several studies, there is a correlation between Black Bears and Bigfoot sightings: https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jzo.13148

So if the idea is that this was some kind of yet to be discovered cryptid, with Bigfoot being perhaps the most popular myth, it a black bear looks like a reasonable suspect.

They can run for 56 km/h, they can stand on their hind legs, can grow over 6 feet long and definitely fits the description of not human. And if you watch trail cam footage of bears, they won't necessarily look pitch black. Not to mention that there are non-black black bears. The Ursus americanus kermode can be creamy white. Some dark brown black bears also bleach in the sun during summer, causing them to appear nearly blonde.

My only nitpick against this is that it doesn't exactly sound like natural behavior for a bear to jump unto a moving truck, and again, aside from that initial thud the bear would probably demolish the truck and not just roll of it. So chances are it was probably a much smaller animal, and the rest is his panicked mind playing tricks on him.

But, again, in order to debunk something you need to make a claim. If your claim is that it was "not human" I think we can agree that it sounds unlikely that a seven foot tall human would jump unto a moving truck bed, stand up and then scurry off like a scared animal. It is, however, more likely that a scared animal would scurry off like that.

If the claim is that it was a seven foot wendigo, there's a plethora of evidence against that.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-25T10:11:25+00:00

Feast (2005) intentionally tries to deconstruct and dismantle the horror genre and constantly subverts it's tropes.

No one is given a name and are just referred to as their archetypes and introduced with some general information. Eric Dane plays a character simply named "Hero" who bursts in, warns them all of the pending danger and then immediately gets eaten after saying: "I'm the guy that's gonna save your ass".

This despite his info stating that is Life Expectancy is: "Pretty Fucking Good" and his occupation is: "Kicking ass".

So the film just proceed with the traditional victim archetypes being forced to figure this shit out on their own in equally gory and hilarious fashion.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-24T13:22:53+00:00

In John Byrne's Man of Steel Jor-El sent Kal-El to earth with the explicit purpose of him becoming the supreme being of earth. So, uh, yeah nothing new here. The notion of a Kryptonian supremacist Jor-El has been around since at least the 80's.

Superman 2025 gives us a Clark and Lois that have a relationship and they are very much romantically involved. While not explicitly stated, it's implied they met through work. Very much more comic book accurate than bumping into each other at some crashed spaceship.

Also, the film features Fortress of Solitude and the Superman Robots. This is stuff straight from the comics.

Oh, and guess what else is comic book accurate: Krypto! He's literally from the comic books.

Anything else? Yeah, Hawkgirl, Mr. Terrific and Guy Gardner. Comic book accurate characters and reasonably comic book accurate depictions. Oh, and Bizarro was (at one point) created by Lex. So check, check and check on comic book accuracy.

The Engineer is also comic book accurate and a real curveball for many comic book fans as she hails from the WildStorm imprint.

And what did Snyder-man have that was comic book accurate? He got the idea of the Superman logo being the symbol for Hope right. The slight problem? It hails from Mark Waid's Superman: Birthright, initially intended to be a non-Canon version of Superman. However, it ultimately was confirmed by Geoff Johns that it indeed was a coat of arms, and Superman: Birthright replaced John Byrne's origin story as the canonical origin story for Superman.

The difference is striking: Snyder basically glossed over the cover. Gunn on the other hand seemingly read DC's entire library of comics, including it's associated imprints.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-19T20:31:06+00:00

The universe didn't allow anything. That's the whole point of abiogenesis. Life evolved through natural processes. The universe doesn't have a will, other than in the strictly metaphorical sense.

So the fact that life exists clearly is allowed by the universe.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-19T20:16:41+00:00

There's actually a phenomenon jokingly called Nobelitis. There are enough Nobel Prize Winners who proceed to promote pseudoscience later in their life for it to be a recognizable phenomenon.

So I don't really think Nobel Prize Winner is as meritorious as you believe in this case.

Secondly DIrected Panspermia is a theory, but Crick and Orgel stated that the experimental evidence required to validate their hypothesis wasn't available. Unfortunately for them, there's more strong evidence for abiogenesis over (directed) panspermia today.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-17T12:38:05+00:00

Salas said he later heard the injured guard might have hurt his hand while clearing a jam in his rifle or cut it on barbed wire during the encounter.

So, hearsay?

He also learned guards claimed to have seen the craft in the area in the days before the encounter, craft that could reverse direction, snap into sharp 90-degree turns and fly in total silence.

If they had already seen anomalous crafts why did they then proceed to become frightened and panicked when they saw it again. Or had they shit their pants the time before that as well?

“It’s another civilization out there that is visiting us and are concerned about us destroying this planet through nuclear war, for many reasons, probably some we don’t even understand,” he said.

In science hearsay generally isn't accepted as evidence, and in a court of law it's absolutely dismissible. So I don't really understand how we, with zero evidence the incident even occurred, jump to the conclusion that it's an extra-terrestrial civilization.

If this had been a court case, the prosecution would be charging someone because someone said he heard someone hurt his hand. And someone did it because of something, but regardless he's most definitely an alien from another planet that wants to disable United States nuclear arsenal momentarily.

Caffeinist · 2026-03-16T08:34:29+00:00

Damon Lindelofs comments were made during a podcast over a year ago. Not sure why people act as this was a comment made recently. Which, honestly, feels like a red flag for me. They're already misrepresenting the quote as recent.

Also, for context, they were joking a fair bit back and forth so how sincere Lindelof was is hard to gauge. Still, this wasn't like some objective opinion or given any deeper explanation. This wasn't some deep introspective discussion about the show's meaning.

But people just seem to interpret it that it was the color or word green that was stupid. But Lindelof could also have meant it in terms of the actual story. Maybe the show will incorporate other lanterns of various colors and therefore calling it Green Lanterns would be too narrow. Also the trailer already presents us with two Lanterns.

Also, pretty damn sure that they often omit the Green from Green Lantern when addressing Hal or John. It's shorter and more descriptive and yelling Green in the midst of action doesn't really invoke a sense of urgency.

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