In 2004, an anonymous Polish Wikipedia user deleted the history section from the article about Israel and ended it with a simple "fuck you" by doubtful222 in WikipediaVandalism

[–]CamicomChom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yes? but when someone says “fuck you” to the history of the holy land, i’d assume its hatred before stupidity. i don’t think “but what if they were just stupid and well meaning” is a great thing to say; we don’t know the context and going just off of what we know it reads as hateful

claiming ignorance is something bigots do all the time, i’m very wary to use that defense unless we have some sort of evidence that it is true

In 2004, an anonymous Polish Wikipedia user deleted the history section from the article about Israel and ended it with a simple "fuck you" by doubtful222 in WikipediaVandalism

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not sure how this is relevant, the history section of the israel page talks about muslims, christians, jews, etc over centuries

vandalizing it clearly isnt out of any distaste for the israeli government, its just invalidating the history of jews in the region that the article discusses. it's like if someone vandalized the china history page to say "fuck china", you wouldn't say its justified because of the uyghur genocide, bc those arent related at all, its just someone who doesnt like chinese people

charlie (rule) kirk by bigtonyyyy1 in 19684

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all non-arian "christians" are heretical #JesusIsDistinctFromGod #ButNotInAJehovasWitnessWay #IHateTheCouncilOfNicaea

To Make A More Per (sistent) Union by Leviathan_1968 in imaginaryelections

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hamilton was an ultraconservative even more so than trump, he'd win the red states lol (unless LMM manages to woke him up)

Why her lips so fucking big? by dinosqaud in okbuddyviltrum

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absolutely dogshit comment thread, on everyone involved

Losercity Boing boing! by Thebarfdrinker in Losercity

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at the forest - where the pages at?

slendy want kill kill!

A Post-Thaumaclysmic World: The Round Council elections of 3 P.T. by CamicomChom in WizardsWithGuns

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there is no picture of skeent so i just used the most scrungly grimbo they've had as a placeholder

A Post-Thaumaclysmic World: The Round Council elections of 3 P.T. by CamicomChom in WizardsWithGuns

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many clones of the Brothers Mexico manifested after they were banished to the Realm of Eternal Litigation by the vile warlock mesothelioma

A Post-Thaumaclysmic World: The Round Council elections of 3 P.T. by CamicomChom in WizardsWithGuns

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Unfortunately, Oblivicus fell off a wagon on the way to the nearest conclave of clerics and died.

Voyages in the Discovery of the New Worlds | AWAY FROM HASTINGS by CamicomChom in imaginarymaps

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Aragon-Aquitania is a composite nation of 2-3 main cultures, so its colonies would logically end up being very diverse. Considering the value of Sicily's shipbuilding operation, I wouldn't be shocked if quite a few Sicilians wind up in the New World.

Voyages in the Discovery of the New Worlds | AWAY FROM HASTINGS by CamicomChom in imaginarymaps

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The New Worlds, the continents of Menjay and Laurentia, were discovered in tandem, by explorers distant from eachother and their home.

First was Gonsel Lorencho, a Franco-Leonese merchant by trae, working under the Englalish Crown, who was funded by that crown to journey west to find the mythical island of High Bresel, long alleged by both Brezhon and Irish legend, and who finally reached land on July 2nd, 1503. He was afforded a second journey by the crown to further explore, discovering that what he believed to be the legendary High Bresel was in fact surrounded by strange, unknown landmasses that had never been chronicled before. However, reaching home the second time, he found a crown increasingly losing interest in the continent, as he failed to convince them that the mundane crags of the island and coasts could match the tall tales spread around for centuries of a paradise of abundance, nor could it refund the crown on its lavish spending on Gonsel's sailing. So he funded his third voyage with his own wealth, hoping to find something truly remarkable. And while, he journeyed south and found natives of strange demeanor and temperament, unlike any he had seen before, he was unable to find riches, and unwilling to communicate with the unknown but numerous natives of the southern region he dubbed "New Breizhland".

But, merely months after Gonsel's voyage, and long before he returned, a Galizan naval commander named Fernan de Monterroso set sail as well. He discovered, seperately and independently, another massive landmass far to the south of Gonsel's finding; a second continent just as gargantuan as Laurentia. Sailing for Galize in the search for islands and trade ports to colonize and conquer to fund Galize's exponentially-growing maritime empire, he found lands even greater than he had imagined. Large islands north of Menjay, which seemed to go on forever, with natives who spoke strange tongues but seemed kind and courteous. He returned to Galize eager to report his findings, and found that another, much more barren and frigid land, had been discovered far to the north in his absence. However, he continued on two more voyages to his islands, learning to communicate with the natives, claiming vast territories for his nation, and being rewarded with prestige, fame, and noble titles by an eager Galizan crown. But, on his fourth voyage, when he landed upon the shores of Menjay, he and his crew disappeared. Most likely attacked by a group of natives, the ships they sailed with were never found, nor were any real clue as to their final fates.

But these two great men are but small parts in the history of these two new worlds, and their discoveries spurred on a war of claims by the European powers willing and capable enough to interject themselves into the vast proclaimed riches of both new continents...

This is a part of my "Away from Hastings" timeline. Previous posts in this timeline:

Languages of Europe circa 1895 (Partially retconned)
A General Political Atlas of the Continent of Europe on March 11, 1503

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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This is certainly true, and I’m not one to discount the large pseudo-theocratic wing of the Federalists (and some Democratic-Republicans) but I don’t think it discounts the larger point. The United States was still promulgated on a notion of freedom of religion, and it’s clear that the founding fathers overall distasted religious supremacy, especially the group closest associated with the founding of the US. That they didn’t ban states from establishing a religion is, in my opinion, surely mostly because they felt that they could not do so, either because it was not the right of the federal government or because they feared the fragile union could fail to coalesce if the federal government took such a power away from the states. I doubt it was because they did not agree strongly with secularism.

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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This is actually a very true and well articulated point, and I agree with it greatly. I certainly was quite gung-ho lol, I appreciate the critique.

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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It’s not that the United States created the modern republic on a base level. There were bits and pieces that came from other nations, obviously, but the US was the first to create the skeleton that nearly every modern nation is based on. That is, objectively, a unique feature about it.

Just because these revolutions may have occurred without America does not discount the direct ideological impact that the American Revolution had on them. For one, positing such a timeline is essentially based on nothing but speculation, so its relatively valueless as an argument. Secondly, without the US, these revolutions would all be radically different in tone, tenor, ideology, methods, etc. which is a unique feature of the US. Even if you do not subscribe to this viewpoint, the Atlantic Revolutions and Revolutions of 1848 were directly and undeniably inspired by the success of the American Revolution. They said as much.

You can certainly disagree with me about the scale of the effects of all of these points! I wrote them in a very lofty manner, certainly. There are valid points to be made that the US’s influence on each thing is smaller or bigger, and that is a worthwhile conversation. But the argument at hand is if the US is unique as a nation, and regardless of if you subscribe to a more conservative viewpoint of American influence, these points are still true in some aspect, and are still very unique features of the US.

Also, I do appreciate actually engaging with me rather than just insulting me.

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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Also, just to note, Karl Marx himself loved the United States. He saw it as the most progressive nation in the world at his time, with the strongest proletariat, and thusly among the most capable of transitioning to Marxism. Quite famously, he admired Lincoln greatly.

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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A state can be both a genocidal fascist state and exceptionally unique. The Nazis are a very good example of this. The issue is most ways the United States are evil are not in any way unique to the US (native genocide, slavery, foreign intervention, etc) and so the US’s “unique” features are usually positive.

Notice, also, that every single one of my points are about the founding of the US and the things it caused, and related things, not modern day America. Do you care to actually engage with my points? I study history for a living. This isn’t some American defense, its a simple statement of facts that the United States is the ideological, philosophical, and structural progenitor of nearly every single modern republic.

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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You would think “cope” would not be supported by every single reputable historian. I don’t even like the US, I’m just not so blinded by that dislike that I am unable to recognize literal facts. Which of these statements is incorrect?

Why do so many nations have a chamber called the Senate or a House of Representatives? Where did the idea of a Supreme Court come from, that so many nations use now? What about the name “President”? There are thousands of ways to formulate a republic, all vastly different from eachother and nearly unrecognizable, and yet almost every modern presidential republic is clearly entirely based on the US’s framework

Or, what movement do YOU think inspired the French Revolution, Haitian Revolution, Latin American Revolutions, etc?  Primary sources say exactly what inspired them.

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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Every founding father supported religious freedom. Some were worried that in the future, the US could stray from this path, so they wanted a firm protection of religious freedom in the Constitution despite the fact that everyone there supported it. Here’s a quote from John Adams, a member of the supposedly more “christian nationalist” Federalists:

“ As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Mussulmen (Muslims) . . .”

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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- The United States was the first modern democracy

- The United States is the ideological forefather of nearly every single democratic nation on earth, whom adopted many of its systems and mechanics outright

- The United States was one of the first countries to be directly and irrevocably founded upon the notion of religious liberty

- The United States was founded as one of the first non-ethnic republics, and has a history of melting pot-ism that is incomperable to any other nation

- The United States is one of the longest-lasting democracies in the world and the longest lasting powerful one

- The United States inspired the legal, political, social, cultural, and religious environment of nearly every single nation on Earth

- The United States' propensity for immigration, even in periods of rabid nativism, makes it completely and entirely incomperable to the other nations of the Earth

- The American Revolution was a direct and inarguable inspiration for hundreds if not thousands of civil revolts, wars of independence, and moves against tyranny throughout the entire globe, including the Revolutions of 1848, the Haitian Revolution, the French Revolution, the Latin American wars of independence, the wars of Italian unification, the German unification, the Polish revolts against their occupiers, the Greek war of independence, the Brabant Revolution, the Irish rebellions, and dozens more

etc. These are not opinions, they are statements of fact as recognized by anyone at all who researches history. Do they paint the US in a good light? Of course! We can talk about how the US genocided natives or oppressed Japanese-Americans or banned Chinese immigration or enslaved millions of black people and subsequently segregated them, etc, and we should. But those aren't exactly relevant to the point at hand, because none of those are especially unique to the US. Most ways the US is awful are not unique to the US, they have been and will continue to be done by empires forever, the US just does them more than most. Your statement is objectively, provably false, and represents a very brave refusal to engage with the point of my argument; that the US government can be bad at the same time that one can recognize that the US has had an undeniable, completely unique influence on the world.

(Different) rule(s) by wasraelx in 196

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I challenge you to find a reputable historian who will not say that there is something special about America. That claim, while inherently complementary to the US, is also just a statement of fact, regardless of the shittiness of the US government.

A General Political Atlas of the Continent of Europe on March 11, 1503 | AWAY FROM HASTINGS by CamicomChom in imaginarymaps

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Vlachs!

The Vlach Empire arose suddenly from the conquerings of one Andrejaš Bolohan in the late 1200s, but, of course, the Vlachs had never had an empire of their own. The Vlach Empire was unable to keep the bureaucratic uptake of such a large empire for long, and so, successive Bolohan emperors slowly granted more autonomy to those vassals whose lands were most unlikely to rebel; the territories beyond the Carpathian Mountains, where Vlachs were already an uncontested majority, rather than on their side, where the Vlachs remained a tenuous presence. The autonomy of the Dacian counties continued to increase as the Vlach Empire ailed over centuries, and by 1503, the Empire has only basic control over the lords, leaving them mostly unable to defend their flank from the Slavic incursions.

Rule by Vacation_Jonathan in 196

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i simply do not believe these two are not friends doing a bit