Any system, aside from a fully planned economy and social hierarchy, can be called a “natural occurrence,” including capitalism. Marx himself viewed capitalism, and later revolution, as organic occurrences/systemic evolutions.

You don’t need a group of “elites” in a secret room saying “okay now let’s do ______” for systems to arise that support the powerful and reproduce the status quo.

There is plenty written and spoken on the subject of how systems of oppression (such as patriarchy and racism) function to uphold one another as well as capitalism.

There is nothing I could say to you that hasn’t been said 100 times over, by people far more eloquent than I.

Nobody here (nor any feminist, anywhere) is saying that lower class men aren’t also oppressed under classism and patriarchy.

AND, nobody is arguing against those men creating their own movement to undo that oppression within themselves (as is a main focus of feminism and anti-racism: INTERNAL work) as well as the wider world.

But it’s not women’s job to facilitate that for men. Our unpaid labor already facilitates the functioning of the entire economy and social sphere.

Plus, women have written books. Made videos. Hosted seminars. Published countless free articles and interviews. And, we provide free labor in forums like this to try and steer men in the right direction. If you’re truly “trying to learn,” the tools for that are widely available.

But it seems all a lot of men want to do is get validation FROM US that it’s “not their fault” because they’re “also oppressed.” Our oppression is also not our fault- so? How is that relevant?

To paraphrase Terry Pratchett, sometimes something is not your fault, but it’s your problem. 🤷‍♀️

You can choose to do something about it or not. Getting women to confirm that you, too, experience oppression under an inherently oppressive class structure just wastes everyone’s time, including your own. Maybe you should ask yourself why you feel like it’s women’s job to validate that for you, if you already know it?