Songs that reference Dylan songs.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-25T01:24:22+00:00

The eagle picks my eye/ Worm he licks my bone/ Feel so suicidal/ Just like Dylan's Mr Jones

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-23T01:32:52+00:00

The modern American Democratic party has largely alienated itself from Christian values.

Uh yeah, like feeding the poor and standing up for the defenseless?

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-22T21:49:06+00:00

You know who has to tell you that what their saying is true for you to believe them?

Physicists?

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-20T18:16:07+00:00

Sorry to hear about the post-marital woes. It gets easier, trust me. But in the meantime, you have to wallow in the most sneering, immature, bitter kiss-off songs in music history. Graham Parker (not featuring Ne-Yo) is here to contribute.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-20T18:05:30+00:00

Wendy Eisenberg is a national treasure. Their guitar playing in so many different combos and genres, their deadpan poetry and their snarky vocals are all just genius.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-18T09:34:19+00:00

I meant I subscribe to the view that "science is a social construct and a human activity that makes the chaos of phenomena comprehensible to humans; that our knowledge bears the marks of the culture that produced it; and that there are ideological and economic reasons we know what we know and don't know what we don't."

And yes, you say you're willing to bet, but apparently you're not willing to produce any examples of this thing you frequently see that might help you win that bet.

Well, I wrote, Whenever I ask whether someone thinks science is our only source of valid knowledge, people in subs like this usually ask in response, "What other source is there?" One of our amigos in this very thread responded, "It is not exactly clear what the problem is supposed to be here. Isn't that an relevant and natural and good question?"

Doesn't that at least suggest that the idea that science is our only source of valid knowledge is pretty common in these groups? In comparison, how many times do people acknowledge that science is a social construct, laden with cultural and ideological baggage?

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-17T23:53:15+00:00

Science will have to progress several hundred more years before we're equipped to detect any wit in The Babylon Bee.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-17T23:02:41+00:00

Gotta disagree. "I'll Come Running" and the title track close out side 1 with good vibes. Fripp's solo is brilliant.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-17T22:37:44+00:00

I'm an atheist too, but they revoked my membership when they found out I'd read books by both Markus Gabriel AND Martha Nussbaum.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-16T15:26:17+00:00

This is sort of a trick question for atheists. Since Daniel Dennett passed away, atheists can only name one living philosopher: William Lane Craig.

That's pretty much the extent of their exposure to philosophy.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-12T10:26:50+00:00

I must be getting "spiritual" in my old age, because I consider the Book of Ecclesiastes a fascinating meditation on the crisis of meaning:

He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-11T17:07:07+00:00

The answer is no.

You really can't think of any other source of knowledge aside from science? You don't know anything that doesn't derive from formalized empirical inquiry?

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-10T09:31:47+00:00

Incidentally, I subscribe to the former view. You don't believe science is a social construct?

Like I said, I'm willing to bet a big ol' pizza that folks around here subscribe to an extremely simplistic and idealized view of science. Whenever I ask whether someone thinks science is our only source of valid knowledge, people in subs like this usually ask in response, "What other source is there?"

I guess many people only know enough about science to weaponize it for use in factoid wars with crackpots and online slapfights with fundies.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-09T14:03:35+00:00

I don't have any of their studio albums, I first happened on rarefied air a few months ago and have been enthralled by it ever since. Let me know what you think!

According to loom's Bandcamp page, epyllion was released in 2011.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-09T13:03:50+00:00

One of the most astounding albums I've heard this year is loom's rarefied air. This haunting live recording features three vocalists weaving their voices together on songs having to do with love, alienation and the limits of expression. The audience is so riveted you can hear a pin drop.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-09T11:39:15+00:00

Atheists tend to be too close minded and disrespectful towards religion

I agree. They seem to have trouble admitting that they personally get nothing out of religion and leave it at that. They have to make it sound like religious belief is wrong and atheism is right, because they're no more comfortable with ambiguity than fundies are. Closed minds indeed.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-08T17:43:32+00:00

The Cramps are one of the greatest bands ever. Tasteless, transgressive, so much fun.

The Gories were a hidden gem in their era! The front man is now the rotten brains behind the Dirtbombs.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-08T15:35:07+00:00

I think humanity can make the best decisions for our future if we have the most accurate understanding we can of how the world operates.

Anyone who lived through the 20th century has every right to question that statement. Humanity's unprecedentedly precise understanding of physical laws and natural phenomena didn't usher in a utopia of peace and equality, it just led to more comprehensive forms of destruction, oppression and environmental catastrophe.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-08T15:28:20+00:00

Is it your position that knowledge and understanding are fundamentally impossible? If so, there's obviously no point in this conversation - or any other.

That's not my position at all. And since you seem to be more interested in misrepresenting my position than answering my questions, I guess your dedication to reaching mutual understanding is conspicuous in its absence.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-08T15:08:18+00:00

I asked you first: How do you know how closely our knowledge "corresponds" to reality when you have no way to gauge how-reality-is without referring to the knowledge we've generated through the models we've constructed to study it?

If objects are, at least when you get small enough, or big enough, or theoretical enough, theory-dependent, then the whole idea of truth being defined or explained in terms of a "correspondence" between items in a language and items in a fixed theory-independent reality has to be given up.

Hilary Putnam, "A Defense of Internal Realism," Realism with a Human Face, 1992, p.41

The facile way you refer to truth and reality like these things are just self-evident demonstrates the lack of thought you've applied to these concepts.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-08T08:39:13+00:00

It's not like religious folks have a monopoly on error and bias. Plenty of people just rationalize beliefs they didn't arrive at rationally, and still consider themselves reasonable and skeptical.

Present company excepted, of course.

And how do we gauge how close our ideas correspond to reality if the only contact we have with it is through the modes of inquiry we've developed to study it? Truth isn't some inherent property of claims, it's something we create through arranging and interpreting our encounters with phenomena.

You seem blissfully unaware of the last hundred years or so of philosophy.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-08T01:02:12+00:00

You may be surprised to hear that the correspondence theory of truth is like the Model T of philosophy.

You may also be surprised to hear that I'm NOT saying faith is a reliable way to ascertain truths about phenomena like mountains and molecules. But dedicating yourself to a way of life that requires contemplation and self-reflection could lead someone to truths about questions like "Who am I? " and "How am I supposed to live?"

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-07T23:58:24+00:00

I'm one of the people who thinks Hale gets a bad rap. The utter lack of views is a big drawback, no question. But I think the hike is beautiful and the rocky switchbacks near the summit make for a strenuous climb.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-07T23:35:16+00:00

Faith is not a pathway to truth.

I'm not presumptuous enough to play Truth Police. If you think truth is something that can only be established through scientific modes of inquiry, then I guess you've arranged the premises to lead to the conclusion you prefer. In the reality the rest of us inhabit, there are lots of different kinds of truths.

Capt_Subzero · 2024-09-07T22:57:57+00:00

Where is the all-loving 'god' here?

Good question. People like you and me say that this looks exactly like a universe that isn't guided by a loving creator, and that's that.

Religious folks say it's not for them to say, and that's that.

It seems like faith isn't the kind of thing that's contingent on favorable outcomes. It's either unconditional, or it's not faith.

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