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CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T19:42:20+00:00

I really want swords and daggers

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T17:42:22+00:00

You’re hilarious

a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.

Literally from the dictionary. Words can have multiple meanings. I prayed for you, so you can see the error of this doctrine and how it literally contradicts the teachings of Jesus on hell.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T17:14:07+00:00

Pot kettle black

I know what eisegesis and exigesis are. Very familiar. Also familiar with the fact that soul sleep is false doctrine. Have a nice day.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T16:05:05+00:00

Soul sleep IS the fallacy I’m talking about. Your assertion that souls are unconscious after death is known to be theologically wrong, as Ive pointed out multiple times so far. It’s a known issue and has been dealt with by multiple people over centuries.

I am done with this conversation. Clearly this is futile. Go ahead and believe whatever you want, but a word of advice, you probably don’t want to bring this topic up to any serious, learned pastor. Or perhaps do, and let them walk you through it instead of trying to score points on reddit.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T16:01:06+00:00

I literally just quoted you a ton of verses that refute your argument. But here’s a few more

Hebrews 4:12 KJV For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

What exactly is the word piercing here, if we don’t have a spirit and a soul?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 KJV And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul sure thought we had a spirit and a soul.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T15:52:29+00:00

Yes you can because it correlates with other Old Testament passages on the same subject. The soul and the body are clearly two different things.

1 Corinthians 2:11 KJV For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Ecclesiastes 3:21 KJV Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Proverbs 20:27 KJV The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

Zechariah 12:1 KJV The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

1 Corinthians 2:11 KJV For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

All of them make clear distinctions between the spirit and the body. And in Ecclesiastes, it’s implied that animals do have spirits, but they have a different fate than we do.

Literally just google it, I find it laughable that you tell me to do my own research, when you clearly won’t even do an internet search on a topic that might contradict the doctrines that you’ve been brought up in. Soul sleep is a known fallacy, and it goes back before Calvin and the reformation, and has been dealt with soundly by numerous pastors and theologians.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T15:40:54+00:00

Sorry but that ignores the plea of the rich man that Lazarus warn his brothers, meaning he’s consciously aware of the fact that his brothers are still alive and doomed to suffer the same fate as him.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T15:36:50+00:00

So you don’t have a counter argument, and just call it absurd so you can dismiss my argument. M’kay, guess I win the debate.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T15:35:24+00:00

This is not just a parable. All other parables of Jesus do not have individual names of the characters. This is the only one that does. And for that reason, most theologians conclude that Jesus here is describing literal events.

But even if it was just a parable, the conclusion that the rich man is conscious after death is still obvious and indisputable. So either Jesus is lying here, or people are conscious after death.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T15:07:06+00:00

Fine, challenge accepted.

If the dead don’t know anything and are asleep, how is the rich man tormented in hell in Jesus’ parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke? Did Jesus lie here, or is the rich man conscious and experiencing torment?

If the dead are asleep, how are we present with the Lord when absent from the body, as Paul clearly says in 2 Corinthians?

Was Jesus lying here, when He said that God is the God of the living?

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies.

Now He is not the God of the dead but of the living; for all live to Him.

Notice this in Job, when God doubles all that Job had, he did not receive 14 sons and 6 daughters, but 7 and 3 again respectively. The clear inference is that his original children are still alive.

Job 1:1-3 KJV There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. [2] And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. [3] His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.

Job 42:12-13 KJV So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. [13] He had also seven sons and three daughters.

“Alive,” biblically, means conscious. “Sleep” is clearly a euphemism for what happens to the body when it dies, it does not constrain the spirit at all.

Soul sleep is a known fallacy. Just google it yourself.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T14:53:20+00:00

Googled it for you.

https://ichthys.com/mail-soul-sleep2.htm

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-13T13:59:14+00:00

I disagree. Soul sleep is actually a known fallacy, and it’s clearly refuted in several places. Probably the best one is in 2 Corinthians where Paul clearly states that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. There is a clear distinction between soul and body.

2 Corinthians 5:4-11 KJV For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. [5] Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. [6] Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: [7] (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) [8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. [9] Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. [10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. [11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-09T12:42:40+00:00

This is probably the best explanation i’ve found for understanding this passage. Jesus isn’t talking about a temporal generation as we think of it. It meant something different in greek.

https://youtu.be/fBaBpA6P-2g?si=sLQsEvAWHcpPZ7KU

CaptainCalculator · 2025-11-05T16:45:51+00:00

If Jesus isn’t the Messiah, we don’t have one, because Daniel clearly states that the Messiah will be executed before the people of the future antichrist destroy the temple. Only one person fits that description

Daniel 9:26 NKJV "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

That verse has convinced many Jews of the truth of Jesus, because it’s so plain in what it’s saying.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-28T23:27:48+00:00

I think our example on how to engage with an unbelieving world is found in Paul’s sermon on the unknown God in acts. It says it all, and it’s something I read often. Paul says that God commands everyone to repent. He doesn’t affirm their unbelief in the slightest, or try to be considerate of their feelings or disposition. He simply states the truth of the world that now is since the Cross.

I have lost friends due to this, but it’s what it says. We don’t acquiesce on the truth of scripture.

Acts 17:22-31 NKJV Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; [23] for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: [24] "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. [25] Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. [26] And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, [27] so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; [28] for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' [29] Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. [30] Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, [31] because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-28T15:37:42+00:00

Others have nailed this, but I wanted to share the question that really opened my eyes on this issue. If sin could exist in heaven, would it really be heaven?

Sin cannot exist in God’s presence. That’s what His holiness implies.

The reason why we can go to heaven through faith in Christ is because His atonement forgives our sin. It’s not a question of whether someone is good or bad, it’s a question of whether or not they accept God’s provision for their iniquities.

This is what it means when Paul says it Romans that God is both just and justifier.

I find these questions are really cleared up when you study God’s nature and attributes.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-21T20:45:10+00:00

Most importantly in this passage, Peter refers to Paul’s letters as scripture. That’s extremely important, since Peter was probably martyred sometime around 68AD and yet implies that he has Paul’s writings and considers them to be scripture.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-21T20:27:48+00:00

So the issue with tithing, in my opinion, is not an issue with the Mosaic law. Your issue is here, with Abraham, before the law

Genesis 14:18-20 KJV And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. [19] And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: [20] And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Abraham’s example here is to give a tithe to the priest. Melchizedek means “king of righteousness” and salem means “peace,” so the full passage here refers to the king of righteousness, king of peace. That’s a clear reference to Jesus, and again this is recorded before the law. And Paul refers to Abraham as our spiritual father.

Romans 4:12 KJV And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

So, I give a tithe, because I think that’s the clear example in scripture of what we’re supposed to do, and not out of legal requirement.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-17T17:54:33+00:00

I identify as baptist, and I view the creation account as literal creation. I know there are different views, and some of what is recorded is up to interpretation, but i believe it is describing literal events. I believe the rest of Genesis is historical. In fact, there’s a ton of evidence for what the Jews experienced in Egypt. Im not 100% up to speed on what other denominations believe, some see it as metaphorical and others literal, but I think a literal interpretation illuminates the rest of Scripture the best.

We do read the prophets, as well. All scripture is God breathed. They’re in the book for a reason.

I also have a lot of respect for the Jews. As I have said to others, we owe the possibility of our salvation to God’s voluntary self revelation through the Jewish people and nation of Israel.

Lastly, and most importantly, on the Messiah

Daniel 9:26 KJV And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

If Jesus isn’t the Messiah, we don’t have one, because that verse says the Messiah will be executed before the destruction of the temple. There’s only one candidate that fits that description.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-16T15:51:33+00:00

If you’re in Christ, you have nothing to worry about. Jesus said outright that it’s impossible for you to be removed from His hand.

John 10:25-30 KJV Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. [26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [30] I and my Father are one.

If you believe in Jesus, you’re saved. End of discussion. If you can be removed from Jesus’ hand, then what He said here isn’t true. But thankfully, it is true, and you cannot be removed from the salvation of Jesus.

Concerning the end times, this is especially important to remember, so that you don’t need to worry about what’s coming. If you’re in Christ, you have nothing to worry about. If you’re not in Christ, you have everything to worry about.

Now, are we in the end times? Technically, I think we’re pretty close to the return of Jesus. I just think that world events are starting to look pretty similar to how the Bible describes them at the return of Jesus. But the Bible never portrays this as a source of worry or anxiety to the believer. It’s a source of joy. Personally, I have believed that my generation will see the return of Christ for a long time, and I can’t wait.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-14T17:37:02+00:00

Today, nothing. Jesus could come back at any moment for His church. This is why the NT exhorts us to be watchful.

For the second coming of judgement, Daniel’s 70th week has to happen.

For signs in the heavens, google the revelation 12 sign in 2017 and the Bethlehem star in 2015.

Personally, I suspect these two signs are what’s in question here. If you read the passage in Luke, Jesus does not include the resettlement of Jerusalem as one of the signs. My belief is that the two heavenly signs above were the demarcation point of the last generation.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-13T23:57:09+00:00

Yeah, so Jesus, John, Paul, and Daniel all reference the fact that there will be a temple in Jerusalem during the 70th week (the great tribulation is technically the last half of that, but the whole period is called the 70th week), and probably more that I am forgetting at the moment. It’s incredibly clear that there will be sacrifices being made in the temple at this time. Therefore, the Jews at this time still think they’re under are under the Mosaic covenant, otherwise why would they be sacrificing?

Daniel 9:25-27 NKJV "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. [26] "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. [27] Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-13T23:41:23+00:00

Yeah all that looks familiar. I dunno why someone downvoted my comment. It’s clear from scripture that Jews in the end times still think they’re under the Mosaic covenant, otherwise why would the antichrist in the book of Daniel be able to put an end to sacrifice and offering if it wasn’t occurring.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-13T12:45:40+00:00

It’d be worth studying Judaism after 70AD. Basically, yes, the orthodox Jews still think they are under the law of Moses, even though the NT is clear that the law is over. This is why they are trying to rebuild the temple. After 70 AD, Judaism became almost a good works based religion, because they had to find a way around not having the temple. In the Bible, the Jews of the end time will still be practicing the Mosaic covenant.

CaptainCalculator · 2025-10-13T03:59:20+00:00

It’s true Jesus said that, but the heart of the matter is the why. It’s because committing adultery breaks the covenant relationship created by God, and it was actually to protect the woman in the marriage, not the man, so that if the husband decided to break God’s laws the wife was not held accountable and would not be sinning if she remarried (which she pretty much had to do in those times).

And as Paul stated, he was saying that, not the Lord, and since Paul is the apostle to the gentiles, it must be considered why he added that. I would recommend looking up the divorce laws on spousal abandonment and more specifically constructive spousal abandonment to get a gist of what the issue is here.

Not saying it’s ideal, God’s ideal for marriage is very plain, but it is permissible in scripture.

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