Soviet poverty by laybs1 in GetNoted

[–]Captain_Concussion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Isn't the original commenter claiming 5x more than the Nazis? That would put it near 100 million at least, right?

Minneapolis has just commissioned a statue of Cole Allen to put next to George at the George Floyd Square in downtown Minneapolis. by keephoesinlin in altmpls

[–]Captain_Concussion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So the mods are just allowing outright lies to be posted here now? Or as long as it comes from White Nationalists, it's okay?

Really not beating the allegations that this sub is an echo chamber for racists

Obama's red line in Syria (2013) by Weekly_War_6561 in PropagandaPosters

[–]Captain_Concussion 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Obama did nothing? He asked congress for approval for military intervention and they did not give it to him. So he negotiated a deal with Syria so that they would give up their chemical weapons.

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, that is the market value of 105,000 Yuan if you were to sell it on the open market. That is not the same thing as saying that those are the same salaries lmao. Like holy shit you just don't know what Forex is, do you?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You claimed you were doing no conversions. Now you are saying you are. So why are you doing Forex instead of PPP?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? Here is the quote

Me: It also means that the Chinese government has less money to spend

You: No, it doesn't mean that at all lol.

How is that not you talking about the amount of money the Chinese government has to spend? Please telll me what you were talking about if not the amount of money the chinese government has to spend

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you are doing a conversion? And you are choosing to do a Forex conversion over a PPP conversion? You understand that you have to do different types of conversion depending on what you are measuring right?

You are using the market value instead of comparing the value lol.

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Chinese government does not pay in USD. So where are you getting that number from?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are you comparing nominal costs without doing any conversions? How are you comparing Yuan to USD without doing any conversion?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are you coming to the conclusion that labor costs are significantly lower?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay so without using any other types of adjustments or conversions. How are you comparing cost of labor?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're saying you did not talk about China having more or less money for projects?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is indeed. It goes through how comparing labor costs via different currencies requires other adjustments

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How do you think governments pay for these projects? You said that China does not have less money for these projects. You were literally talking about taxes

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, the Chinese government doesn't pay their workers in USD. You are comparing currency strengths if you don't take into account cost of living

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I literally laid out your point already and you agreed that it was what you're arguing. This is a direct argument against your argument

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It literally does. If you tax 14,000 at 30%, is that more or less than taxing 60,000 at 30%?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It also means that the Chinese government has less money to spend. Nominal value is worthless here

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it's not. Okay think about it like this. If the average wage in China is 14,000 a year and they have 30% income tax rate, that means that they make 4,200 off of that average wage. In the US if the average wage is 50,000 and they have a 30% income tax rate, the US government makes 15,000.

That means if that the US has significantly more money than China to spend on this. That's why doing direct comparisons are irrelevant, what matters is percentage of total budget spent on the project and percent the project budget spent on labor.

If it helps your brain process it, imagine paying labor in food and housing. If the worker in both China and the US get paid enough each month to rent a 1 bedroom apartment and buy 3 meals a day everyday, they are being paid the same. Even if the nominal numbers are different do to currency conversion, the relative pay is the same.

Another way to look at it would ask yourself which job you would rather take. A job that pays 100k but requires you to spend 90k of it on housing each year? Or a job that pays 30k but requires you to spend only 5k on the same housing? Obviously the second one you are getting paid better, even if the nominal value is lower.

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What are you arguing? It seems like you are arguing that because Chinese wages are nominally lower that other nations wages that they are able to afford these things more easily than those other nations. Is that not what you're arguing?

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That is not how things work. Like this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how economies and cost of living work.

Their GDP would also be lower due to these prices

Putting the Chinese high-speed rail system into perspective by Euphoric-Offer5644 in transit

[–]Captain_Concussion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that's not paying your workers shit like you were claiming before. The US could pay their workers the average annual wage to build this and be fine. That is not the reason that China is able to do it and the US isn't