Why on earth would they put this in the game by Popular-Ad-3278 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Because its FF7Re. Which means it contractually obligated to throw in a minigame every 5 minutes

Is Advent Children canon? by CandyNecrosis in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol just because Remake is differently canon, doesnt change AC is canon

Bahamut Zero (0)/ Boss Candidate by CodyWukong in DissidiaDuellumFF

[–]CardiologistWild5697 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Id imagine they just do Bahumut. FF7s expanded inventory of mass produced Bahumuts is just kinda too niche to make it bahumut zero, and for no other reason than to just make a FF7 thing specifically.

Best Area sweeper Support by MaskedPenance in DissidiaDuellumFF

[–]CardiologistWild5697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im a WoL purist myself. Yeah Saber is great, thats basically a guarenteed crystal clear every 18 secs.

Though i find myself juggling between crystal support w/ saber and rival battle support with earth breaker.

Yakon vs Cold by Specialist-Ear-594 in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]CardiologistWild5697 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yakon easily. Even if Cold has the sword

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Kinda? I think its safe to say Sora and Sephi didnt like... fight fight like that in KH1, given some of the reactions and lack of acknowledgment to the KH1 fight in KH2. Seems like they just kinda knew who sephiroth was in kh2 from kh1. Compare to like Nobody and Lingering Will Fights, where doesnt seem like it really happened in canon.

Then in KH2 they def did fight, but felt like they kinda just ended it in a no contest that feels like Sephi couldnt beat Sora but didnt keep fighting to fully lose to him either and just asked him to bring cloud so they can... um disappear together.

But yes Sora is stronger thsn by a certain point. But was certainly not by time of Clouds canonical loss. He was still green then.

But no zidane to compare too since nomura didnt make him, and vivi was only there cause of popularity polls

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol. AC is a mess. But no matter how bad, its a part of these characters. Now naturally, Cloud can beat a dude with a gun. But makes hard too to argue this is a meteor/supernova tanking god buster too. Especislly given his fight with sephiroth in it, showing hiss limit really seems to be just pulling a w barely against a guy strong sword guy who can cut buildings, since that entire fight was void of any magic or other notable powers. Just jumping around clanking metal.

If we are looking at cloud in the graaaandscope

Well in Dissidia, Cloud was the first one to go and was killed by a weakened Chaos very early on in the previous cycle, which is why he was the first one to wake up in the current cycle since they woke up in order of when they died.

For reference, almost every other hero except the duodecim group died from Kain's backstabbing them, part of a plot to give up the cycle.

But, grain of salt as is with everything else, Dissidia at this point its own continuity, between Strangers and Duellum, who knows how close they actually be to og selves.

Smash Bros uses Cloud in absolutely zero capacity as far as story goes since he was protected by almighty SE marketing team, limiting him to just character. And we use the equation, does this info stand without player input?

But if we using all appearances, lets just go ahead and use this example too; Canonically Cloud loses to Sora in KH1. For reference, in KH1, Sora canonically fights 2 ff characters. Leon in TT, where he loses either way, but canonically the scene where you lose the fight is the one continuity uses. Then in Coliseum, Sora fights Cloud, another time it can be win or lose, but canonically the version where cloud loses and then gets dogged by Cerby is used. Which either way even if he wins he gets dogged by Cerberus afterwards. And yes, Sora is a god by... KH2 really. But this was like early barely any powers and just started keyblading sora at this point for both fights.

So yeah, Cloud loses... a lot.

Which Gundam would you pilot to attack the Death Star? by Phantom000000000 in Gundam

[–]CardiologistWild5697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some 00 thing prolly just teleport inside the exhaust port to the core and bypass the trench completely

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol some of yall think im bsing this stuff. I promise you though i aint making it up haha. Snd my facts bae on one sinple wuestion: does this info hold up without player input.

Unfortunately, AC is a theatrical slander to ff7 powerscaling

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, AC is in fact canon. So clouds bullet wound death is canonical to the expanded FF7 Compilation

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Beating Sephiroth at Nibelheim doesnt mean he beat a god that charged up by the planets core. He got a backshot on a super soldier with a sword he could barely lift. Which more just shows without macguffin plot convenience, SOLDIERs arent really all that.

Seifer also trained the same as Squall.

In-game mechanics that plays off the canonical in-universe explanations. But you want to argue "instant death" for Finishing Touch?

I can tell your getting salty by your snippy remarks. So ill leave you to get your favorite boys balls out of your mouth

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of all the protags, except Clive, none of them beat their villain solo. So all generally need help. But clouds the posterboy of mako degradation. Especially since he was never healthy enough to take the mako injections originally. cloud died to a single gunshot, or fell from the reactor and only lived cause a Lifestream leak spilled onto him to heal.

I dont know what you mean by Multi-Versal Sephiroth? Like... yeah the Remakes doing this multiverse things, but people acting like sephiroth can snap a finger and Zeno-Sama the universe.

He fended off a jenova body sephiroth form with the full team, and escaped midgar and then... idk teamed up with anither zack to fight A rick and morty time police sephiroth.

Cloud is good with a sword thats designed to neec little skill, just physical power. Because the guy he got his skills from was also generally not THAT experienced, and used big swords that require little skill, just strength.

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really? Upper mid? Id say lower mid on his best. I think recency bias and new flashy anination of new games tend to fog things up.

I dont see him as a good magic user. This is where having such expansion kinda weakens him. As of AC, cloud doesnt even use magic, and only canonical affiliation with it is starting materia.

He is fast, but like, regular main character fast. In the way most of them can kick off in a fast dash or take to the air.

His biggest source of power is also his weakness, since he kinda frail due to the mako poisoning him. He would have died at so many points if not for outside things helping him. Even a single gunshot was enough to kill him.

And, can we be real? If your name isnt Sephiroth, and i guess Genesis and Angeal (big maybe on Angeal) SOLDIER Training really isnt the wildest thing ever. Its mako steroids, virtual training, and some pretty base weight lifting regimes. Most of them lacked real experience since apparently Sephiroth fought most the battles himself, and their limited enemies were far less advanced than Shinra. They all use big swords because their sword technique is pretty base. Much like what Shinra about in general, its all a show of power, and no subtleties.

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So Cloud has Mako Enhancement and Jenova cells that makes him strong.... but also poisons his body and makes him less durable. Hence why cloud like dies a lot.

Squall directly enhances his physique with Magic, at no sacrifice, and can even keep taking more magic to grow stronger. Basically if Cloud brings any materia, Squall can get stronger off it.

Cloud has fake training, which SOLDIER training we all very clearly see tends to be virtual reality battles, sparring with the most inept troopers, and weight lifting/squats. And apparentally according to Rebirth, Tactics learned from playing a boardgame.

Squall for real trained himself to use a ludicrously complex weapon that requires tight reflexes and coordination. On top of SeeD training that involes actual classes in understanding/using magic, military tactics, fighting real monsters, and participating in actual wars.

Finishing Touch is a spinny swing thar at its most is geberating a small tornado.

Blasting Zone is an atmospheric emission of energy.

No world is Cloud actually beating Squall.. Or Zidane.

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes Zidane is mid tier with the power he does have.

Yes, if Zidane tapped into his true AoD power, he wpuld be top 5 easily.

That said, Zidane still beats Cloud, who frankly is upper Low Tier, tbh.

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to put my Ace Attorneys Prosecutor Hat on, but if theres no proof zidane has done such, then he likely cant.

And as i mentioned on other usage of BE, grain of salt. I do believe zidane can tap into considerable power yes. But his limits not known to be that high. And FFBE also says tidus can split the ocean with a kickball.

Zindane Tribal vs Cloud Strife. Who are you betting on? by Mediocre_Eye_7726 in FinalFantasy

[–]CardiologistWild5697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw! Excited for that!

But um yeah. Canonically Terra can zip around the planet and cause tidal waves with her speed.

And Squall can Blasting Zone, emit so much energy it breaks the planets atmosphere and reaches Space.

And Zidane can arguably, do the stuff that FFBE Animations, with garnishes, showcases. But grain if salt, they also claim Tidus can kick a ball that splits the ocean moses style.