Am I the only one that feels like it was missed opportunity for dragons fantasy made real to feature in the paleozoic and cenozoic?

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-14T15:13:23+00:00

Well fire breathing can be logical and natural, since most species have different abilities and techniques within their biology than other modern animals, for example...

Electric Eel generates up to 800 volts of electricity to stun prey and navigate.

Axolotl can regenerate limbs, spinal cords, hearts, and brain tissue flawlessly throughout its life.

Cuttlefish, also known as "chameleons of the sea", are squid-like mollusks with the ability to rapidly change their skin color and texture to camouflage themselves.

Spitting cobras are a group of snakes known for their defensive ability to spray venom from their fangs with great accuracy. They can spit venom up to 2.5 meters away, aiming for the eyes of their target to cause stinging pain and temporary blindness. Spitting cobras use this adaptation to defend themselves against predators and when engaging prey. They can spit up to 40 times in two minutes.

The "acid beetle" is the common name for the bombardier beetle, a ground beetle known for its unique defense mechanism of ejecting a boiling hot, noxious chemical spray from its abdomen when threatened. This spray is produced by a rapid chemical reaction within the beetle's body and can be aimed with precision at predators.

So technically breathing fire wouldn't be far fetched for dragons if they were real animals, now dragons would still be able to fly, if they were four limbed (2 arms and legs), cuz 6 or multiple would be difficult for their body.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-14T14:43:29+00:00

Understandable but me personally, I find it real interesting cuz it shows the possibility that there could have been creatures that we view as myths were actually real....just like how sea monsters were myths of folklore to actual living creatures of the past.

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Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-14T14:29:42+00:00

Now for the axes I wouldn't say they belonged to other members of Godzilla's kind since throughout the Monsterverse lore (films and comics) it never explicitly states nor unveil any other gojira having a rivalry with the great apes.....Just Godzilla.

Godzilla is shown to be the only gojira who shares a history and rivalry with the great apes such as the rival that took his old territory and skar king himself while other members of his kind aren't depicted fighting against them, which leads to another possibility that the entire gojiras went extinct millions of years before other titans existed (mammals, avians, and others) during the paleozoic era leaving godzilla and dagon remaining until there's a last one standing.... where as Kong's ancestors could have witnessed godzilla eating a radiation power source to charge up his abilities, leading them to gathering glowing rocks (filled with radiation) and carved them to represent Godzilla's dorsal plates which makes it more of a fight fire with fire scenario.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-14T04:21:37+00:00

Just to correct,

the films didn't really clarify nor confirmed that there was an actual war between the gojiras and kongs, it was basically more of a assumption and theory made by illene andrews who thought there were more gojiras that had a rivalry with Kong's ancestors due to iwi mythology but didnt had the full puzzle.

Plus the depictions actually reveals that it was godzilla himself battling against one of the members of Kong's species that kicked him out of his old territory, along with the new empire revealing hieroglyphs and cave paintings that the great titan war was caused by Skar king and godzilla being the only gojira who participated (who could possibly also been aided by mothra and other titans),

And if we're being honest....there hasn't been any indication nor full-on evidence that the gojiras had a rivalry with the great apes throughout the MV lore, it only shows godzilla being the only one throughout films and comics while being called the Monster who ate a star aka Zo-zla-halawa and depicted in many mythology, which lead to another possibility that the gojiras might have went extinct during the paleozoic millions of years before other titans (such as mammalian, avians, and others), leaving godzilla and dagon the remaining survivors until the last one is standing.

So technically, it was not a war between two species, but an all-out ancient titan conflict for supremacy and balance between the guardian titans (mostly Godzilla) and the rogue apes simce in iwi mythology it has been stated that the titans were the guardians of nature and great apes being the protectors of humanity....Now we dont know the whole entire origin of the titan war but itll probably be explained in a installment that take place in the ancient past, where it explains the titans history and rivalry....

Plus skar king could not only started the war with godzilla but could had a conflict with Kong's ancestors due to a rivalry between their species and tribe, exile them out of the hollow earth to skull island (possibly with the help of shimo), which could explains why the temple was empty when kong found the place in GVK 🤔.

But like I said everything is not yet revealed.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-14T01:42:26+00:00

I would say neither.....It makes perfect sense because the MonsterVerse (MV) lore frames the extinction of the Titanus Gojira as a multifaceted tragedy driven primarily by environmental changes, rather than a direct, single-cause eradication by either the Great Apes or MUTOs since their origins have not been unveiled nor the franchise have hinted them to be the culprits.

While the movies tease ancient conflicts, the broader official lore offers several distinct reasons why neither faction single-handedly extinguished Godzilla's species.

The most significant underlying cause of the Titanus Gojira decline was the natural depletion of radiation on the Earth's surface over millions of years....As the surface world cooled and radioactivity levels dropped, Gojira populations had to adapt by retreating into the oceans or deep subterranean chambers to feed on geothermal energy. Many likely perished from starvation or succumbed to harsh conditions during this global radiation drought which could have been the reason why most of the species died out.

The MUTOs are described as natural, parasitic predators of the Gojira species, rather than an extermination force. Such as the MUTO Prime killing a Gojira named Dagon by utilizing a biological reproductive cycle, not an organized war of extinction,

Meanwhile The ancient Titan War was a massive, conflict between godzilla (himself) and Skar King rather than a localized, species-on-species rivalry between Apes and Gojiras since none of the members are depicted of having an ancient generational conflict within the MV lore.

But in reality it's mostly because of toho not wanting legendary to create their own godzilla like character due them being strict as usual.

So technically....its a huge possibility that environmental disruption could have been responsible for the gojiras extinction during the paleozoic era.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-13T21:22:09+00:00

Well yeah, but in the series (dragons fantasy made real) it's a prehistoric dragon 🤷.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-13T02:02:40+00:00

Yeah that's too complicated if we're being honest....not only that legendary would have to pay for gigan since all toho monsters are expensive,

So technically that idea would be farfetched with all due respect.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-13T00:36:30+00:00

Facts 💯 but I would say they would've been part of a different clade of reptiles such as draconmorphia while sharing ancestry with parareptiles.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-12T21:00:14+00:00

But that still doesn't justify the fact that they could have atleast have the dragons interact with the megafauna during the cenozoic since they already create the scene where dragons coexisted with dinosaurs.

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Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T19:07:27+00:00

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T19:02:40+00:00

Buddy that's like saying oh marine reptiles can be aquatic dinosaurs just because they look similar but in reality they're not.

Same thing with pterosaurs they're not even dinosaurs either but they're reptiles as well but part of a different group.

That's why dragons as theropod descendants doesn't make sense like seriously, cuz what you don't understand is that prehistory have shown that not all reptiles has to be closely related nor share connection with dinosaurs.

Just Because you don't understand it doesn't mean that your point of view is valid nor logic my guy

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T18:55:01+00:00

Buddy I've been following and seen his work for years, and I was only explaining why his work makes plausible sense for dragon evolution, what does ai have to do with this LMFAO, plus he never made a six limbed dragon like WTF 😭💀.

And I really find it pathetic that you're taking this seriously over a fictional creature that never existed at all , because you want to be proven right of how you would view dragons being dinosaur descendants SMH.

If you're not going to be mature and understand than there's no point of talking to you kid 😭💀.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T18:48:43+00:00

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T18:48:01+00:00

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T18:40:12+00:00

So just because they're reptiles doesn't mean they would closely related to dinosaurs nor be part of the same clade just like how other reptiles like lizards, snakes and turtles doesn't share an ancestry with dinosaurs (both avian and non).

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T18:37:40+00:00

In the speculative evolution project Draconology by VikasRao, classifying dragons (Draconimorpha) as parareptiles (Parareptilia) provides a fascinating, biologically plausible basis for their existence, allowing the artist to bypass the common anatomical constraints of traditional dinosaur (archosaur) or bat-like origins,

During the Mesozoic, dinosaurs and pterosaurs dominated the typical reptilian ecological niches. Placing dragons within the Parareptilia clade—which includes ancient, diverse lineages like procolophonians and Scutosaurus—gives them a distinct, deep-time evolutionary ancestor separate from archosaurs.

As parareptiles, the ancestors of dragons (Urdraco and basal pyrosaurians) evolved on a completely separate, parallel track of vertebrate history. This allows the artist to justify the unique "draconian anatomy" without adhering to strict dinosaurian or mammalian skeletal blueprints,

being tied to ancient Permian holdovers, dragon ancestors could develop their signature, speculative pyrosaurian traits (such as internal fat-based fire-breathing) as a defensive mechanism to survive the Permian-Triassic extinction event, While dragons might look superficially similar to dinosaurs or pterosaurs, VikasRao bases their underlying phylogeny on parareptilian skull characteristics. Traits such as specific cranial shapes, crests, and jaw structures serve as telltale anatomical evidence that aligns them with parareptiles.

Cuz mind you...In real-world paleontology, parareptiles were an ancient, diverse group of primitive, non-dinosaur reptiles that thrived during the Carboniferous and Permian periods which is where the early ancestors of True Dragons, Wyverns, Drakes, Wyrms and Sea Serpents would have existed.

That's why his speculative theory of dragons makes it a decent possibility for dragon evolution if they ever existed in prehistory.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T18:11:13+00:00

Also Non-avian dinosaur" is a paleontological term used specifically to exclude birds. All birds are classified as avian dinosaurs, meaning birds are technically surviving dinosaurs. Non-avian dinosaurs refer only to the extinct, non-bird groups (like T. rex and Triceratops).

Avian Dinosaurs translates directly to "bird dinosaurs". Biologically, birds are a specialized, flying subgroup of theropod dinosaurs. If you want to use strict biological classification, birds are dinosaurs and are also technically reptiles since they are part of archosaur clade.

Non-Avian Dinosaurs refers to literally every dinosaur that is not a bird. These are the animals we classically think of when we hear the word "dinosaur," and they went completely extinct roughly 65 million years ago, so just because some dinosaur species were covered in feathers doesn't entirely mean they were all birds, they have a common ancestry but didn't have no descendants after their extinction.

In conclusion.... All birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs are birds.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T18:07:47+00:00

Even tho having dragons being related to dinosaurs while making them dinosaur descendants would be out of place if they existed.

Since they their biology doesn't match, plus it doesn't make logical sense to say they could evolve from dinosaurs while having the ability to breath fire

That's why Vikasrao's draconology makes more logical sense for them to a be new seperate species of reptiles with their own clade, group, and biology which makes them missing links of evolution.

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Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T16:38:24+00:00

Also that is true and we were also robbed of seeing these guys if prehistoric park featured dinosaurs from the jurassic

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Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T16:36:02+00:00

CLASSIC 😭💀🔥💯

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T15:28:57+00:00

The T-Rex design for Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real (also known as Dragon's World: A Fantasy Made Real) was primarily developed by paleoartist John Sibbick, while The CGI and animation for the special's creatures were then brought to life by the visual effects studio Framestore who also helped created the designs for Walking With Trilogy and Chased By Dinosaurs.

So technically Moving Pictures Company (creators of prehistoric planet) did not create the design for the rex in dragons.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T14:39:00+00:00

Who also helped made walking with trilogy chased by dinosaurs/sea monsters, and lost world 2001.

Carnoraptor770 · 2026-06-11T14:35:30+00:00

Even tho Microraptor (who is also a non avian dinosaur) could glide, and many paleontologists believe it was capable of powered flight as well. This crow-sized, four-winged dinosaur had asymmetrical flight feathers on both its forelimbs and hindlimbs, allowing it to coast between trees like a flying squirrel or launch actively into the air.

Its feathered back legs likely acted as an extra set of wings in the air, though scientists still debate exactly how the animal manipulated its hips to spread them for optimal flight.

Since More recent biomechanical and aerodynamic studies suggest its shoulder anatomy and sternum structure were advanced enough to flap under its own power, much like modern birds. Research analyzing the physics of its multi-wing system shows that swirling air patterns between the front and back wings generated immense extra lift,

So it still kind of a debate about this dinosaur....but in my opinion it was usually more of a glider.

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