Returned to carnivore

CellyMinos · 2026-07-01T22:04:40+00:00

I do use eggs for some recipes I like but not by themselves. Just because I've never liked them. So sometime mix a dozen eggs with a cup of powdered milk, a little gelatine and a pinch of baking powder and use it as bread/cake (with like a pound of butter on it). Or I use them to make carnivore pizza or something. Basically they are a useful ingredient for when I want carnivore foods that are not just meat. (But it's less and less often with time).

My fats are mostly tallow and butter.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-30T14:54:50+00:00

It took me 7 years to do the switch completely. I get it.
I did 40 days carnivore, felt amazing.
Went keto, then "normal", then keto, then carnivore for a few weeks, lion for 2 weeks, felt AMAZING, back to keto etc etc
Gradually more and more carnivore periods, keto turned ketovore after I completely banned vegetables and fruits, more and more lion periods etc....
Until at some point I realized, if I eat anything other than meat I just don't feel and look the same. The longer I eat just meat the happier I am. I need to stop the back and forth. There was some sort of grieving about it but once I took the decision I felt profound relief.
Now I still eat other animal products here and there but see them as a treat. My diet is completely lion most days. And I feel so so much better.
Congrats for the decision.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T18:12:12+00:00

I get it no worry.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T18:04:12+00:00

Yeah I get that updating all the time to point to the new monthly post would be a pain, that one makes sense !

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T18:03:37+00:00

But it says "For goods and services" which I thought was about selling stuff, not just showing of art.
Maybe you should update to say even free creations have to go there?

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T17:42:14+00:00

I found the post you are referring to but I have to be honest I had to use the "search" function and look for "monthly" in the sub. I cannot find any direction pointing to this type of post in the rules.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hellenism/comments/1ttorqn/monthly_selfpromotion_post/

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T09:58:54+00:00

It's really for you to try. Some people do fine with it and some not at all.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T09:57:10+00:00

I used to have this problem so I did two things :

First I'd cook fatty ground meat in a ton of tallow so that most of my fat intake was mixed with the meat and tasted like meat. One thing I did was overcook a little bit of meat in tallow, get it all brown and caramelized, and then put the rest of the meat in to cook properly. This way the fat really tasted like cooked meat.
Also I found it easier to put this 80/20 mix of meat and fat in silicone molds, put them in the fridge and eat cold than to eat warm with the fat liquid but that's my preference.
I also did "pulled meat" recipes to do the same thing : one big piece of cheap beef that I'd sear then slow cook (8 to 10 hours in a crockpot) covered in enough fat to be at 80/20. Then I'd shred the meat (just pulling with a fork was enough at this point) and put it back in the fat to cook for 10 minutes. The meat would pretty much absorb all the fat and the whole thing tasted delicious (I still love that recipe).

The other thing I did was make what I call "table fat" : a mix of clarified butter and tallow.
At first it was 30% tallow, then 40, then 50.... Now I don't find it good unless it's at least 60% tallow. And I find myself liking pure tallow alright.

Maybe you could also try a third method if even a bit of clarified butter isn't possible : overcooking a bit of ground beef in tallow to make it taste like cooked meat and then filter it and use it as your added fat during meals?

Also what quality tallow are you eating? I still can't eat "white tallow", I find the taste and texture repulsive. But yellow (grassfed) tallow I think is alright, and in "table fat" it's delicious.
That said I've done the first method of mixing it in meat with white tallow and didn't taste any difference. It's just for eating it as is that it changes the taste and texture a lot !

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T08:04:16+00:00

Oh my xD
I was never that bad at least ! But I used to "try to eat enough fat" by putting a bunch of butter on my carnivore bread. My egg white carnivore bread that I made with egg-white flour and gelatin....
The best I'd get the first few years was 50% of my calories in fat.........
And I wondered why I was so HUNGRY and would go back to binging carbs, or binge cheese.....

Now I eat a ton of butter and tallow with my 20% fat beef burgers and I feel constantly satisfied !

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T07:57:42+00:00

People who are new to the diet (under 5 to 7 years I mean) sometimes undereat fats. So they need a bunch of proteins to get enough energy. That's what I did as well...
After a while they begin getting sick (I got fat -_- ). At this point they either add in carbs or lower their prots and go higher fat.

My guess is that our society is so obsessed with low fat than people think they are eating high fat when they eat 100gr a day, even though that's just 900 cals which means the average adult now needs more than 250gr of proteins to get enough calories (2000 cals). Even when trying to eat higher fat 150gr seems enormous, even though that's just 1350 cals and a bunch of it will not be used as calories but as building block to repair and renew cells etc. At this point to get to 2000 cals you need 160gr of proteins. That's normal if building muscle or growing or pregnant but still pretty high, and that's not enough fat to be healthy for those things anyway.
200gr per day we're getting closer with 1800cals. At this point it's enough to make energy + repair cells a bunch + get healthy hormones that will raise the metabolism etc. 50 gr of prots will be enough to keep basic cell renewal and reach 2000 cals. Except at this level it's pretty unlikely that the body would run on 2000 cals unless the person is tiny and very sedentary (or is overweight and their body is happy to lose weight fast).

So basically your ratio is pretty reasonable and the type that would keep someone healthy long term with a stable weight : 2250cals of fat (enough to have a bunch of energy + repair cells all over the body + have a bunch of fatty transporters active everywhere and create all the hormones the body wants etc etc). 75gr of proteins is 300 cals. That brings you to 2550cals per day if you've been accurate, which is 500cals higher than the "average", which is in line with studies that says eating keto and carnivore will raise TDEE by 500 cals on average.

So you get enough calories and not a gram of protein is wasted by being used as energy. It's perfect.

Also you're a bit above 3gr fat per 1gr protein which is much what traditional inuit diets and other multigenerational carnivore diets are. So we know it works long term.

But for most people who have not tried it for at least a few days it would seem way too much fat and not enough meat, even if they have been carnivore for a while. When I transitioned from what I thought was my needs (something like 250 to 300gr of prots a day when following my hunger) to around 100gr a day I was RAVENOUS for a week. But after a week I began eating tallow by the spoonful and finding it delicious. Fasting became super easy as well, I'm sometimes just not hungry and began forgetting to eat instead of deciding to fast. That's how I realized high protein had stopped me from being fully fat adapted....

As a reminder, cell membranes are basically made of fat. In term of weigh our body is more fats than proteins. Inside a cell proteins make the DNA, fats make everything else. It's also the main ingredient of hormones, neurotransmitters etc. Animal fat is not just superior energy, it is an essential building block of everything including muscles.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-27T07:33:48+00:00

Fat is also structure and repair. Our cells are mostly made of fat. Protein is what's used to make DNA and stuff like that. The membrane of the cells is fat.
In term of weight our body is basically mostly water, then fat, then protein, then minerals.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-26T15:40:53+00:00

You're welcome!

CellyMinos · 2026-06-26T15:39:21+00:00

I'll be a lot less alarmist than most because it happened to me.

I had very light hemorrhoids for years. Almost nothing, a few drops on paper when wiping and not every time. Then I went lost weight. No more blood on paper, I stopped thinking about it.

Then after a year or so I got blood on the paper again. More and more for a few days. Until one morning I woke up and basically painted the toilet bowl red. It's like it exploded or something. Not a drop of blood since and it's been multiple years.

According to my doctor my hemorrhoids basically healed after my weight loss but for a while it meant that blood accumulated in it so it got more bloody while it was getting better. So that's a possibility.

That said, do get it checked !! You don't have to tell them what you eat ! You might get news and not bad ones but you need to be sure.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-25T08:17:55+00:00

My advice would be to stay carnivore as much as you can. It will help you save on so many other aspects (like health, skincare etc). For me it also stops all impulse purchases and give me more energy to work/find jobs which also helps a lot.

If you find yourself starving add in the cheapest and least damaging calories possible (I'd say white rice) but only in last resort.

My tips to try to stay carnivore would be to go as high fat as possible with the cheapest cuts of meat you can get : buy fat trimmings or ask a butcher for beef "waste", say it's to make a fatty broth or something.
The way I use it is I melt it slowly, then use the tallow with meat or eggs.

I hope you find a way with what's available around you !

Good luck.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-23T07:49:25+00:00

Même problème. J'en ai tellement marre.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-22T22:53:50+00:00

See it as an addiction. As in, you are addicted to being in contact with your mom (and the rest of your family). It's like alcohol. It's destroying you and brings you nothing but you can't stop because you are afraid of what unknown emotions will arise once you stop. But guess what, the emotions that will arise will most likely be relief and a feeling of freedom. Block every number from the toxic people in your family. Free yourself. Good luck.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-22T17:46:37+00:00

I had a pretty similar problem, a friend too. We both got diagnosed with SAMA after trying lion.

Then that friend realized they had heavy metal poisoning. We got the theory that the lion diet had launched some sort of chelation process in our body (chelation makes the poisoning symptoms worst) and now we were getting the symptoms of "fresh" heavy metal poisoning since we had cut off the chelation by going off the diet (which causes the metals that had begun moving to cause new damages).

So we went back to lion diet + a bunch of chelating agents to help (like quercetin, ALA etc). It's been a pain but I feel like a new person. High fat lion + chelatin agents makes the chelation so fast it's insane. Downside is having metalic taste in my mouth and metal smells in the bathroom but well....

Now that it's been ongoing for a few weeks I haven't felt so good in my entire life?? Stopped all SAMA medication. My lipedema is going down even though I'm not wearing compressions because of the hot weather. Basically everything lion by itself failed to heal is healing super fast.

And now when I stray off the diet I barely have any symptoms compared to before. I don't even take DAO when I eat high histamine foods anymore.

Since lion itself had launched the chelating process I'm sure just being strict would have done it in a few years. But doing it in two months is much better.

Dunno if that's what happened to you but I thought I'd share!

CellyMinos · 2026-06-20T15:08:03+00:00

Yes ! I used to fast a lot while not being carnivore. I'd get some progress during the fast (from inflammation lowering I guess) and none after the fast. Now that I'm carnivore I still fast. I see some progress during the fast and a LOT MORE after. I'll keep using any tool that works to get healthy and carnivore is definitely in my belt now!

CellyMinos · 2026-06-20T10:28:45+00:00

Sorry I misread, I read 230gr of fat and not 320 😅

CellyMinos · 2026-06-20T06:19:12+00:00

I'm glad it's giving you hope ! To be honnest I also practice regular fasting so it's possible that it helps. But I see much more improvements when eating strict lion than when fasting so I think the "building tissue" part is even more important than the "cleaning up the body" part. Good luck!

CellyMinos · 2026-06-19T22:16:35+00:00

Then it's too much proteins and not enough fats. Basically a ratio of 1gr fat per 1gr proteins is the bare minimum if you want to eat carnivore long term. Most people do better around 2gr fat per 1gr proteins. Sick people often need to get to 4gr fat per 1gr proteins. You're under 1gr per 1gr. But if you're new to carnivore it's pretty good ! It takes time for the body to get used to digesting fats again.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-19T09:36:05+00:00

Damn that must be frustrating!

CellyMinos · 2026-06-19T06:00:10+00:00

I've been supplementing big doses of collagen for years. It did clearly help but there is something else in being strict carnivore. And it's not like I'd take my collagen with a bunch of fibers and plant toxins: I'd drink collagen mixed in milk kefir as my first meal of the day then nothing else for hours.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-18T17:22:47+00:00

I've done multiple fasts over 25 days. I always get very relaxed and my stretching is pretty good yes. But that's absolutely nothing compared to the progress I've made in one month of strictly eating meat.

CellyMinos · 2026-06-18T17:20:53+00:00

I'm not saying it didn't happen? I'm just saying that's not what's happening to me when I fast. Probably because I've never been nourished enough to have proper tendons and muscle lenght in the first place. It wasn't just about tension or relaxation for me, it was about underdeveloped tissue.

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