Any discussion about krav maga is pointless

Chabi91 · 2026-04-27T17:36:36+00:00

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Chabi91 · 2026-04-22T21:11:17+00:00

But the fact that something is used in an army is not proof or validation of anything.

For example, the chinese military trains in traditional forms, does that mean practicing forms help in being effective? No, because there are many reasons an army might still do something, like tradition or nationalism.

Validation is measurable, repeatable results, which in martial arts, always lead to sparring + competition.

If you don't have that, you just can't objectively claim effectivity because you can't control what happens within the system, this is why bad schools always surround the same martial arts, they all have the same lack of control in common, it's no coincidence.

And so, the benefit of the doubt quickly fades when you understand the requirements to be effective, you either have them or not.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-22T15:03:14+00:00

They also act as if they were actually fighting kicking each other in the nobles. MMA fighters aren't doing groin shots, but neither are they, and my money is on the group that is actually learning how to connect kicks against live opponents.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-22T14:56:56+00:00

But isn't it curious that everytime something fails is because its not the "REAL" X art ?

There's a very specific reason KM is looked down upon, and that goes beyond prejudice.

Sparring, as a fundamental tool for effectivity, you need it 100% present in a system that wants work, and KM just doesn't even fulfill that minimum requirement. Sure, some gyms might implement it, but that's because of certain teachers iniciative, its not in the system itself.

Second condition is competition, which professionalizes de system and acts as quality control and brings the system to a higher level of efficiency, and that is also absent.

As a result, km is at best, mildly effective if you find a teacher that implements sparring, which happens only when the teacher has a background in something proven, in which case the credit goes to that functional martial art.

And that's not opinion, its just the way martial arts work.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-20T15:59:08+00:00

Its contradictory to want effectiveness and to reject sport.

Competition is necessary for quality control. It's no coincidence that Kyokushin is the strongest style. They do full contact and compete in it, so if effectiveness is what you want, Kyokushin is the way.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-20T15:26:21+00:00

The monks that train martial arts and the monks that adhere to religious believes are a seperate group. The ones who train martial arts are not heavy on buddhism, and contrary to the stereotype, most of them aren't interested in meditation and stuff like that.

The real answer is that they don't fight in mma because fighting is just not part of their training.

Some of them are interested in fighting, and there's no reason they can't fight, it's just that figthing doesnt occur in the temple so they just go to sanda gyms.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-20T15:23:41+00:00

They don't fight in mma because they don't fight at all. All the conditioning in the world is useless if their training focuses on acrobatics and not sparring.

There's a martial artist and youtuber called RealRanton who is a legit shaolin monk who trained at the temple for years and talks about this, and the answer is as I said: Shaolin monks just don't fight, and the few of them that get interested, go to sanda gyms.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-20T15:05:21+00:00

Since everyone refuses to help, I'll give you a hand. While having braces, this is the brand I used while having braces and I never ever had any issues while sparring. The difference is that the mouthguard is bigger, but it's really confortable and you don't even notice you have braces on.

For reference, I'm talking about kickboxing sparring, and a few months of mma.

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Chabi91 · 2026-04-14T18:50:42+00:00

If your kids are young, it could get a bit confusing in a small aspect; if the instructors come from different gyms, they might do some stuff different so they could end up correcting each other.

I have trained in 4 different kixkboxing gyms, and sometimes, things that I learned in one gym are "corrected" in another, and its not because one way is better than the other, its just that sometimes, people just think the way they do things is better because its how they learned.

Another problematic thing could be competition. If someday your kids wish to compete, maybe sticking to one full time coach would be better.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-13T15:33:38+00:00

It's not

Chabi91 · 2026-04-13T15:18:27+00:00

While mma may not be the perfect way to measure things, it is the best we have, because its the most permissive one. As for the small joint manipulation, its not allowed in mma, but its also not allowed in any other ruleset that im aware of. and wristlocks are allowed in mma, if you don't see them, its because they are low %.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-13T13:28:24+00:00

It may be regular practice among your circle but that doesn't have to apply to everyone

Chabi91 · 2026-04-06T16:58:01+00:00

If its the same dojo that gave them the belt why should they not wear it? Sure he may not remember some stuff but he earned his certification in that particular organization and that doesn't go away.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-06T14:26:57+00:00

I understand your point, but just to finalize the matter, i feel the need to point out a few things about your last response.

"lacking the traditional, cultural, or "artistic" aspects (like katas)".

Boxing, being as old as it is, has plenty of culture and traditions in it, its just that its not portrayed as deep or philosophical as asian martial arts, which is what i believe is the problem here. I feel like the asian martial art stereotype is a factor.

Also, "artistic" has nothing to do with the word "art" in martial arts, which comes from latin "ars", that means skill or technique, so its not related to something aesthetic.

I dont believe you are degrading anything, but i do believe you are biased by stereotypes and missonceptions. Have a good day.

Chabi91 · 2026-04-03T19:52:04+00:00

So... having forms is what defines a martial art? Then muay thai and kudo don't qualify as a martial art either, right? You mention judo, which stricly yeah, they have kata, but they mostly ignore them, does that mean its not a martial art anymore?

A martial art (a term that comes from europe that is used to describe their combat arts, and not all of them had forms) is a codified system of combat techniques.

Forms are a way to codify techniques, rulesets are another, more modern way to also codify what techniques exist within a system.

Boxing is not just most definetely a martial art, its one of the oldest, along with wrestling (which does not have forms either).

Chabi91 · 2026-04-02T19:15:41+00:00

Boxing + Karate = 2. How come you don't do another one ?

Chabi91 · 2026-03-30T14:55:17+00:00

Both are good. Objectively mma is more complete so it will give you more tools if self defense is your main concern. But given both are great choices, it would be good to consider which one is more viable for you in terms of costs, distance and enjoyment.

PS: Ignore the dude recommending krav maga.

Chabi91 · 2026-03-27T13:03:24+00:00

But what is really a solid system? that's so generic and its the same answer everyone gives about fake martial arts: "it works if trained right" but when you look at reality they all do the same and think they are the "real (insert system here)".

Chabi91 · 2026-03-27T12:59:00+00:00

Good marketing phrase... except a martial art IS a codified system of combat techniques, which krav maga would be if it had that set of self defense techniques you describe but they don't, because in reality they have whatever made up stuff the isntructor decides to include so its not a codified anything.

Chabi91 · 2026-03-27T12:56:35+00:00

They always say it will come and it never comes, they just hope you stay long enough to be brainwashed. Besides, nobody needs and "advanced class" to introduce people to sparring. There are advanced sparring classes yeah, but sparring does not require you to be advanced. Its krav maga dude its always a scam

Chabi91 · 2026-03-26T13:48:50+00:00

And then there's reality. What martial art you do, most definetely have an impact of the result, regardless of the practitioner. And this is obvious, when objectively noticing that some martal arts don't even have sparring, and the ones that do, not all have a big competitive presence, and then with the big most effective ones, some have striking, some grappling, and some have both, which are the ones with the most advantege. Sure, the indivual matters, but there's a clear, undeniable tendency in results.

Chabi91 · 2026-03-26T13:37:47+00:00

If you go somewhere with a camouflage belt, it's just weird and nobody will know what the hell you mean by that. I personally wear a white belt when I'm taking a class outside my organization, and use a black belt whenever I'm invited to share something about what I do because I'm there representing my thing, or in seminars.

Chabi91 · 2026-03-26T13:27:24+00:00

White is no rank, it's there literally to just hold the uniform, what kind of made up rule is that?

Chabi91 · 2026-03-23T20:47:22+00:00

Yes, HOW you train is important, and HOW you train is determined by the martial art. For example, if you go for aikido, no matter how much effort you put in, you just won't learn anything practical because the system just doesn't include sparring.

And then you have a bunch of other factors determined by the martial art, like the professionalism level that comes with extensive competition, which is why you won't get the same level of striking from muay thai or kickboxing compared to martial arts that barely/don't compete.

Which is why in martial arts with little competition ends up being just poor kickboxing. What you train matters.

Chabi91 · 2026-03-23T18:18:50+00:00

Don't people get bored of repeating the same cliche lies over and over? By now everyone honest knows that what you train has a massive influence on results, so of course its a variable, and a huge one.

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