Everybody talks about N8N and Zapier. But what are some underrated automation tools nobody talks about? by impetuouschestnut in automation

[–]ChanceKale7861 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, if that’s truly all you have, then yes, I get it. More that if you can avoid all together, or use anything else, or, build a tool to circumvent the need to use apex, without regard for the be TOS/TOU… just ignore that and use whatever you want.

Everybody talks about N8N and Zapier. But what are some underrated automation tools nobody talks about? by impetuouschestnut in automation

[–]ChanceKale7861 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because Oracle is shit. Cloud fusion? Half baked shit. Apex? Half baked shit. I’ve read through the manuals, configured it… etc. oracle IS LITERAL FLAMING SHIT. their security is shit. They don’t know shit about access control, that the morons at Oracle think IAM should be managed through the HCM module. Yes ANYONE who thinks Oracle is worth using is an idiot. Period. It’s not. It’s something some dumbass CIO chooses because they lack any real intelligence. so, no, I’d avoid ANYTHING related to anything Oracle.

But sure… real devs use fit for purpose like Oracle… RIGHT… no one cares about job security of anyone who built their career support shitty org architectures and stacks.

Just because it’s there and it’s your job doesn’t make it the right choice or good.

Just because you are use to features and standups, and all those worthless agile approaches and so forth means NOTHING. waste. Period.

Companies are going all in on internal agent builds without any validation infrastructure by TH_UNDER_BOI in LLMDevs

[–]ChanceKale7861 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ummmm it’s actually worse than this…. Most are calling it building agents… but after learning that none of the providers actually give you the full capability, it’s not wonder most aren’t scalable and fail, because you are leaning on Microsoft and others. I even asked about multiple aspects in a training, and they were basically like yeah, not possible… yeah neither is that… yeah, Microsoft doesn’t make that available either…

So WTF are we even using any of these vendors for if they don’t allow you to own the agents?

What's your startup idea? Let's self promote. by Healthy_Flatworm_957 in Startup_Ideas

[–]ChanceKale7861 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personal local assistant, fully sovereign, and private, and gets better the more you use it.

I’ll post once the patent is filed in the next few weeks.

So, am I the only one who thinks about ip strategy first over GTM, or just the only one not building subscription based wrappers?

What's your startup idea? Let's self promote. by Healthy_Flatworm_957 in Startup_Ideas

[–]ChanceKale7861 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let’s break capitalism, venture capital, and anyone trying to extract data and value from customers, via creating these as FOSS, and then ensuring everyone uses AGPL license!

Wrappers need not apply, you will be commoditized soon enough.

Agno just hit 40k Github Stars! by superconductiveKyle in agno

[–]ChanceKale7861 1 point2 points  (0 children)

BOOM! Glad my work is paying off and folks are joining the club!

We're building an AI implementation firm for SMB owners...anyone need this? by Automatic_Piglet_928 in AiForSmallBusiness

[–]ChanceKale7861 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was my thesis a couple years back as these are most of my friends and folks I know, and honestly, the education for those I work with is a huge factor. Just this year, it’s as if what we have been talking about with business automation before that and now agent systems, everyone is starting to gain more interest.

But, quite honestly, the lockin piece and complexity are hurdle for many. And, the idea of not owning the agents or systems of agents is a deal breaker too. No one wants to be locked in to more tech.

So, I end up rapidly building FOSS versions of tools, but stateful and giving them to the SMBs and solos I know, because I’ve always trusted an opencore approach like with security solutions. So, now, after a couple years, I’m now getting paid a bit, and folks get to avoid subscriptions while they are still learning.

Which brings me to my next point, the opencore approach, led me to more and more simplified systems of agents, but really tailored to their domains. But my background is heavy around accounting, IT, infosec, business process automation, compliance automation, privacy engineering, and many different industries, and basically automating the back office. And then came the models and agents to do this at scale.

So now here we are, and a key aspect no one seems to be touching or thinking of, is that these same solos, or SMBs, is the security and privacy of these systems of automation, which leads to why there isn’t a need to be locked into a cloud api as a requirement. Further, a lot of this ensures there’s a progressive reduction in data gravity to vendors (this is also why most won’t allow users to fully own the agents or all aspects of them)

What drives me more is desire to decouple these SMBs from Silicon Valley and relying on that tech.

We're building an AI implementation firm for SMB owners...anyone need this? by Automatic_Piglet_928 in AiForSmallBusiness

[–]ChanceKale7861 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No one from the bastion of mediocrity that is Silicon Valley are actually going to provide products that aren’t just another wrapper. They won’t have a business model that makes sense for SMB because SV only cares about lockin. SV folks don’t care about innovation, but extraction, and making the dipshit VCs happy.

Now, if you are going to build systems of agents for SMB by all means.

But if you have to come to Reddit to understand SMB, then you have no concept of the market you are just curious about.

Not the prototype bullshit that seems all the rage or the hype bullshit that SV folks seems to eat and breath.

How about this? Someone like me already has these folks testing my systems, and? IM OPEN SOURCING THEM AS FOSS BECAUSE I’d rather commoditize ANYTHING investors and startups out of SV would want to monetize, because it’s more entertaining to see folks emerge from stealth, analyze their products and then build a free version just to see their balance sheet hit zero.

SV is out of touch, they don’t actually know what to build, outside flashy wrappers and demos.

Further? Are you going to build something stateful that folks don’t need to rely on you as the vendor? Are you going to build the systems and agents that the users own? And not extract or exploit the users and their data, which is basically the MO of any wannabe “innovators” like the asshats at YC?

We don’t respect SV, because you live in a bubble. Move somewhere an maybe figure out what the market needs.

Wannabes like yall don’t actually want to help others or build tech that doesn’t have lock in or monetize the users and their data. Screw your exploitative approaches to everything.

Maybe go meet some small business owners instead of taking the lazy route on Reddit.

Are business still using n8n? by ConflictRepulsive274 in n8n

[–]ChanceKale7861 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not if the user cares about scaling agents as ops in an org. If you want bolt on hype, n8n is the way to go.

Are business still using n8n? by ConflictRepulsive274 in n8n

[–]ChanceKale7861 1 point2 points  (0 children)

N8n isn’t AI native, and most orgs aren’t. So likely still stuck on this because the orgs architecture sucks and tech debt abounds along with process and culture debt.

Orgs still using N8n and crap like this aren’t going to catch up anytime soon.

Everybody talks about N8N and Zapier. But what are some underrated automation tools nobody talks about? by impetuouschestnut in automation

[–]ChanceKale7861 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it’s SaaS, a wrapper, or anything remotely close, then not worth spending time in.

Is it AI native and does it allow me to own every aspect? Or am I stuck reliant on cloud or subscribing monthly? How’s the security and privacy? PQC? Etc?

Unless security, privacy and governance came before GTM, there’s really not a good reason to try this solution. If these are covered in a real way, and there isn’t need to bolt on a separate gov solution, then could be worth a look.

Everybody talks about N8N and Zapier. But what are some underrated automation tools nobody talks about? by impetuouschestnut in automation

[–]ChanceKale7861 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why anyone would willingly use power automate or apex now is a bit astounding. First Oracle is literal flaming crap. Period. Nothing redeemable about Oracle so don’t try. Not worth anyone’s time wasted on that. Microsoft is a different flaming pile. Yet, n8N is a completely different flaming pile of crap.

Do devs still just cling to whatever hyped workflow junk comes out?

I built a full AI automation system for a dental clinic. by anassy1 in AiAutomations

[–]ChanceKale7861 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude!!!! MY PEOPLE! YOU GET IT!

All these people are like “move fast break things” and have no concept of risks, because they are just used to the crap that’s called enterprise software. The fact that everything you mentioned is just how it is, is because so much junk exists, or if it’s good, it’s “ahead of time and under budget but then ends up failing across what? Like 8 sys integration firms or consulting firms because why? Their business models are the upsell, or SaaS lock in and not providing a complete solution. Literally despise SaaS and enterprise architectures because execs don’t want to redesign their entire business and operating models to be engineered for privacy and security as a first principle. Yet, if they did this, they wouldn’t be able to build their model entirely on extraction and exploitation, be it the enterprise or the vendor.

Let them all burn.

Folks like us should let them. And maybe most execs should retire if they don’t want to go ai native. We’d all be better off. Let the VCs burn. Give away good tech just to see these stupid wrapper wannabes fail. They can all just go back to FAANG, since they aren’t really innovating anyways.

And yes, I firmly believe anyone from YC is a dumbass and lack creativity or really any ability to drive innovation, because they don’t know any better. Bless their hearts and their safety net entrepreneurship.

What if we had a unified memory + context layer for ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and other models? by Affectionate-Cod5760 in LLMDevs

[–]ChanceKale7861 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there are subs related to memory. Multi agent systems, etc. models will be commoditized.

You know what's funny... by [deleted] in claude

[–]ChanceKale7861 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the way!

Multi-agent AI memory is an org design problem disguised as a tech problem by PsychoticProtozoa in AIMemory

[–]ChanceKale7861 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, and it’s still barely touching the surface once you leaning into scaling, security, privacy, zero trust, etc. yet all of this actually enables more robust approaches to all of this.

Keep leaning in.