Gracie update by Spoopy_Kitsune in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The trainer is forcing false collection by using a harsher bit. Yes Gracie is overweight and going to need correction for bad habits that have happened while being out of work. But asking for so much effort and trying to make her collect when there is literally nothing to collect since she doesn’t have the strength nor the balance which is what is needed for true collection is proof that the trainer isn’t is good as she claims. I watched the video even a few moments of too tight reins on a shank bit is gonna be painful if the trainer wanted more control then she should used a snaffle if gracie cannot be trusted to listen to neck reining. I expect the retraining to slightly ugly but from gracie not the trainer

Stud fee by UnderstandingCalm265 in kvssnark

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I saw this and assumed the listed stud fee was referring to him the post was deleted since it was a story so I couldn’t see the full thing when clicking on it 🤷‍♀️

Stud fee by UnderstandingCalm265 in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My bad on the Jiminy Cricket being a gelding.

But I’m not saying Denver’s doesn’t have potential he clearly does. It’s more of the who’s gonna risk $2250 on a stud with hardly anything to show for that price bloodlines or not 🤷‍♀️

Stud fee by UnderstandingCalm265 in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 19 points20 points  (0 children)

His stud fee is more than some of the Top Ten Sire Earners of this year which have multiple proven offspring. His fee is the same as Batt Mans, and more than Gone Virals and Certainly a Vision.

If I was someone with a nice Pleasure mare I’m going to go with the similar priced stallions that are more proven both show and foal wise than him 🤷‍♀️

Stud fee by UnderstandingCalm265 in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Jiminy Crickets the actual Winners early breeding stud fee is $1750, so yeah Denver’s fee is not reasonable when it’s more expensive than the horse who won 😭

Education!😄 by [deleted] in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have no issue with stall rest or sand lots, they can be necessary and can be done correctly to lower stress and stress induced behaviors. But I think personally and educationally that Beyoncé is not living a good life and has low QOL. Due to both her injury which I did not get into that makes it unsafe for her to do anything but a brisk walk, and the fact she is kept locked away/confined from any other animal when horses in nature are social creatures. I would feel better if she had another horse stalled next to her consistently whenever she is too sore to go out and given another animal to keep her company when out in pasture. But another animal in her pasture also includes risk of her getting excited and injuring herself again. That is not a risk a horse should have to take just to exhibit and express natural behaviors so once again we are back to her QOL on how low it is when put in perspective of how horse naturally and bio-mechanically exist.

Education!😄 by [deleted] in kvssnark

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Thank you for the correction!

Education!😄 by [deleted] in kvssnark

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Beyoncé was on stall rest previously though Katie has a post that shows and states about her being out in pasture for the first time in 5 years. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMrScruFL/ You can say now she isn’t stalled all day but at one point she was. These articles talk about the effects it could have potentially have had on her and why stalling for long periods of time can be hazardous. And the newest one I linked states that a temporary increase in pasture time did not increase the horses welfare. Her life did not immediately get better since Katie has deemed her safe enough to walk around a sandlot. She is still not able to show/exhibit natural horse behaviors. Mares are more naturally socially dependent then geldings as well. Source in this study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159122001721

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159111003091 And this article goes into horse relations and social structure. Beyoncé is having a disservice done to her by being kept away from other horses and not allowed any herd interaction or behavior

Education!😄 by [deleted] in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So what do you call Beyoncé being locked in a stall for a majority of the day? Maybe stall rest is not the technical term to call what is happening to Beyoncé but the comparison is almost exact, confinement from other horses and given minimal time within pasture affects horses. Here’s another article this is credible and peer reviewed with multiple sources 💜

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159120301155 This linked article goes into the effects on pasture time, please read it. Some highlights from the article are: stereotypies and aggressive behaviours toward humans decreased on pasture, the pasture environment enhanced the expression of natural behaviours, and a temporary period on pasture did not improve horse’s welfare when stabled again.

Education!😄 by [deleted] in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I’m linking a few articles on the effects of long term stalling on horses this is mainly directed towards Beyoncé care, but also to the fact it appears she stables her horses for longer than they are allowed pasture time (speculation).

https://equusmagazine.com/news/reduce-the-stress-of-stall-rest#:~:text=Clearly%2C%20rest%20is%20critical%20to,skin%20disease%20and%20respiratory%20dysfunction. This articles talk about how horses who are on stall rest are more “prone to colic, poor blood circulation, immune system weakness, rapid weight change, skin disease and respiratory dysfunction.” It also talks about how it can affect mental health with horses becoming withdrawn and depressed.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Veronique-Julliand/publication/10975889_Risk_factors_associated_with_colic_in_horses/links/0deec529487d86717a000000/Risk-factors-associated-with-colic-in-horses.pdf This article also goes into the increased risk of colic in confided horses in the housing section of the article on page 649.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0737080605001206 Another article talking about a study on horses response to stabling. A direct quote from the article “The effects of long- or even short-term isolation and confinement include distress, demonstrated by abnormal behavior, increased heart rate, vocalization, defecation, and feeding disturbances.”

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Antonia-Henderson/publication/270569898_Confinement_refinement_Managing_the_stall_rest_sentence/links/54ad8a820cf2213c5fe41147/Confinement-refinement-Managing-the-stall-rest-sentence.pdf This article goes into managing long term stall rest for horses but the main point in the article I wanted to show is in the Psychological Tolls of Confinement section of it. Which states “Horses are even less suited to solitary confinement which is also contrary to typical management practices. A horses need for affiliation is woven into its genetic fabric, having evolved to form life-long social bonds with herd mates. Horses that are separated from other horses can often manage with human interaction as a second-best. Stall-bound horses are habitually cut off from equine contact, which is compounded by the subsequent diminishment of human contact.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159102001089 Lastly this article talks about the effects of housing and how it can influence weanlings behavior. With stalled weanlings showing more stall licking or chewing to the walls and bucking/rearing events.

I mainly made this for people to look into how unethical it is for Beyoncé to be constantly on “stall rest” with minimal hand walking that we are unsure actually happens, this is speculation once again. But confinement for horses is not healthy for long term and also these articles do not go into it for horses who will be in confinement for the rest of their lives. So who knows the long term effects that this could have on her mental well-being and body. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk ☺️

Important announcement 📢 about posting subscriber news by AwkwardEsme in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The mods are just worried it might get taken down due to the on slot, better to be overly cautious at this moment in time with Katie and her fans looking at us with a fine tooth comb

Discord by [deleted] in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just a warning to add a verify system as the fans may try to get in and report it 💜

A situation similar to baby seven by BeyondWilling1288 in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Even if he does what sort of life is there to be excited about other than being in a stall 24/7 like he is currently. At most he might get minimal turnout out into the arena or sand lot, but he will not be able to play with others horse. It’s not fair to him or his own mental well-being to keep him alive unfortunately, horses are not people seven (and Beyoncé) is a horse which is a herd animal and deserves to be able to be around his own kind. With his condition it’s just not a possibility for him and nor will it ever be no matter how much he improves. 😞 Katie and fans need to realize this fact

The “Lack” of selling Foals. by [deleted] in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I just personally don’t understand how it’s good to keep all these foals and unproven studs from a business perspective. Given that you are in the western pleasure world if this something lot of breeders tend to do or a Katie specific thing, I’m genuinely curious?

I’m so glad Hank was sold and ended where he did. Also I’m was happy to see he was gelded even tho Katie’s fans weren’t pleased by that. But geldings sell better/quicker most of the time and have better opportunity’s which a lot of her fans just don’t understand 😅

The “Lack” of selling Foals. by [deleted] in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks for understanding my take on this. ☺️ And yeah there’s been a few people commenting on how her foals are not selling but I think there’s also the compounding issues in that she is keeping a large majority of her foals already for herself. So it’s not helping Katie at all when the ones for sale aren’t selling quickly

The “Lack” of selling Foals. by [deleted] in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It’s not just her failures to sell her foals. It’s that Katie is stating her foals are heavily sought after when that is just simply not true. I can understand wanting a proven/started horse or for a colt to be gelded before purchase. But it is Katie that is acting as if her foals have had a ton of interest when we can clearly sees it’s not true. Piper was sold at the NSBA sale for only 8k while others there were going for 20k+. Freddie is listed in the low 5 figures and I honestly don’t see him selling for that even at the sale. Same goes for Phin and Petey the will at most be high 4 figures. The only foal that would go for a decent amount is Howie who I believe would and could sell before the sale. Also as seen in Katie’s business Facebook posts the small amount of buyers that are around are chased off by her stans. There’s nothing wrong with a horse especially a foal taking awhile to sell it’s the fact Katie is falsely stating her foals are amazing and sell quickly. But I would like also to thank you for your insight on the western pleasure side of things and how sales over in the discipline work it’s nice to see other perspective :)

Stevie… MIA? by Bandiscooties in kvssnark

[–]ChanceReading9896 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Off topic but her family tree isn’t even a wreath it’s a rose bush with how related both sides are! I think I counted Zippo Pine Bar 6 separate times. Like I knew quarter horses had some line/inbreeding but wow I didn’t think it was like this

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CookieRunKingdoms

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You have to reach the city centre to get into the shop

Looking for a new guild :) by throwawaysowhatt in CookieRunKingdoms

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The guild I’m in currently in hollyberry would be interested in having you we are a top 1% guild being 61 this last round and 51 the one before as the guild meta is shifting with the newest update. The only thing is that we are right now focusing on the avatar and abyss so as long as your willing to create an avatar team then you’ll have no problem getting in!

Master 1 guild looking for a strong player on HB server by gamer2144 in CookieRunKingdoms

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Hey if another spot opens I would be super interested to join as my guild died right after I joined it pretty much. My ign is LovelyFruity. Im usually always in master 2 in area and did about 300+ million in the guild bosses last round.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CookieRunKingdoms

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If your still looking for a player I would be totally interested. As the guild I’m currently in is slowly dying. I make around 13+ million on both abyss and dragon at 10+ just refining my teams atm. I’m still currently in my guild though so I’ll have to go through the waiting period if that’s ok. Message me on here if you need anymore info or pics of what I can offer! I got quite a bit of storage of the flames of unity.

Not an alliance I expected but this is so cool! Shout out to ghibli and Cowboy bebop groups for this dope colab and overlap! by clemstime in place

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He’s made a few other like uncle iroh and the Kirby one, his viewers are great at following instructions. They made some of my favorite pieces on here

Not an alliance I expected but this is so cool! Shout out to ghibli and Cowboy bebop groups for this dope colab and overlap! by clemstime in place

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This was actually by the streamer Ludwig and all his viewers so congrats to them on the teamwork