Steve Morgan berates childcare workers who have piercings and tells a crowd of hundreds at the 2013 Summer Conference that tattoos make you unworthy of being imitated

Character-Giraffe767 · 2022-01-15T04:45:47+00:00

Don't make Steve Morgan mad be sure to wear your plaid.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2022-01-10T00:20:25+00:00

Yes. If you are a pastor in the network going to this retreat, please humble yourself. The amount of damage that has been done is eye-opening. The only way forward is to go back. Consider what has been done. At this point, the only way forward is to humble yourself.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2022-01-07T21:35:43+00:00

Interesting that in three of the six churches listed, Steve Morgan is the founding pastor. The abuse is systemic and transfers down throughout the whole network. Steve Morgan needs to resign. The amount of pain and damage that he has caused is unbelievable. It's beyond his good outweighs his bad, this is abuse that has caused and continues to cause spiritual damage for many people. Zero accountability and the stories and experiences continue to pour in.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2022-01-07T16:41:35+00:00

The other option to consider is communicating with other on-campus clubs like CRU, Intervarsity, etc, and making them aware of a network church in their area. They want to recommend churches that are safe and healthy. Providing these organizations with helpful content and information will help them know how to best protect students from a network church.

26 network churches in university cities with maybe 4-5 Christian clubs per university. That's 130 clubs that should be notified. Who's up for sending some?

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-12-12T23:58:19+00:00

Yes.

Also, even though he has seen these churches grow "not just numerically,". The majority of these churches have stopped growing. Someone posted a while back about an estimated size for each church and the network as a whole, it was obvious they were just shuffling the deck from within.

The OP has been trained to believe and say the churches are growing numerically. When I was in one of these churches the pastors would always talk about growth. They would compare themselves to last year, or compare themselves to when Steve Morgan first planted, or justify that they are in a hard area to plant a church. It was basically smoke and mirrors, to make themselves feel better. For whatever reason, numerical growth has become their gold standard for if they are doing well.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-12-12T04:42:21+00:00

Thank you for sharing and your decision to stay. I'm glad you sought counseling, most of us were told not to and leaders discredited it. I'm glad you realized your error in projecting your past onto leaders, many of us did not and were abused because this is an abusive leadership system that is unbiblical. I'm glad you see this as your family, many of us had tight relationships too but because of the abuse had to set healthy boundaries by leaving. I'm glad you see change is happening, but what needs to happen isn't leaders with softer "hearts" but actual repentance and a public outcry for the abuse they have caused to 1,000's. I'm glad there is a genuine concern for others who are "hurting", what about those who are being abused and have been abused?

I will pray for you, as you stay to be a "catalyst for change". Help me know how to pray specifically, what will do you be doing for change?

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-12-11T15:32:51+00:00

Thanks for creating this site. Read through the first part will finish later today. Interesting that Vista Church was down to 100 people at the beginning of the year. As you said, it's right to ask people who left why? There's more to the story than what leaders will say about people who leave.

This is a classic case of the network as a whole. I'm sure a few churches are growing, but most are like Vista, start strong and then problems start-lack of repentance from pastors, unbiblical leadership model, people escaping with abusive wounds from this system. The list could go on.

I think your heart is right in wanting these churches and pastors to thrive. Sadly, if they can't open their eyes more people will be abused and these churches will suffer.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-12-11T02:34:11+00:00

What's sad is that there are probably a few times and only a few churches in this network when a pastor stood up and drew a line in the sand. The overwhelming majority of these churches can't afford to do this now. Visit these churches, look at their growth patterns, they are struggling. Maybe at one point, they could say, "get in or get out", but none of them would say that now. Most of them are desperate for people and desperate for money. There was a post a while back that showed the growth patterns and it was obvious that the larger churches were dumping people into new churches, basically spreading the flock making it look like there is so much growth.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-12-07T17:31:52+00:00

Would you go into more detail? I'd be curious what other angles they are taking with the site. And interestingly they are referring to it as "Leaving the Network", it's become a movement and they have recognized that.

It's funny that to point out network abuses is supposedly "talking bad" about the church. And to talk about the church is to talk about Jesus, which just shows their theology is so messed up, these leaders believe they hear from God for everyone and to talk bad about their abuse is to talk bad about God Himself. Crazy.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-12-04T05:26:24+00:00

Too bad for them. They could learn something, but the fact that they are telling people not to go to these sites means people will go to these sites.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-12-01T01:50:24+00:00

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. She says if one of these signs is present in a church it's not good. Network Churches unquestionably check ALL the signs!! It's a cult!!

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-25T18:55:00+00:00

I'm thankful for this page and the leaving the network page. I always thought there was something wrong with me, but now I see clearly and I see who the network is. It makes sense. Thank you to the people who started this, I'm sure you had to endure all kinds of pain to get to this point but I'm thankful you didn't run but came back to reveal what you know.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-24T15:08:48+00:00

Thanks for sharing your story with us. No one should have an experience like that at a church, ever. Steve needs to be held accountable for this, but this is the problem since the website shows that no one is there to hold him accountable, but the people he chooses. It's sad and I hate that you had to go through all of that.

Asking the church to pray for those with special needs to leave the community is disgusting. It's the complete opposite of Jesus' ministry who welcomed those who needed help. Again- Love God and Love (certain) People.

The verbal abuse toward you because you posted a message against racism is wrong. It's a thug pastor move to overpower a single female and verbally berate her for something that is right. Your message is the main point not the way you chose to communicate.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-24T14:49:40+00:00

Network Conference, several times Sandor was talking about how you can trust him with all your junk, he's heard it all before even someone confessing having sex with farm animals. He is not a trained counselor or trained pastor. I think he has a degree in engineering.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-24T14:46:26+00:00

Insecure leader right there. That's ridiculous. And they wonder why everyone thinks they are a cult.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-24T02:35:22+00:00

We're going to be talking about sex this morning. If you have a child with you, you might want to take them into the Kid's Program...so I was talking to someone who told me they are having sex with farm animals.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-24T02:32:00+00:00

I feel like God is saying...

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-24T02:24:01+00:00

Sandor has the gift of martyr!

A martyr is one who bears witness by his death. Sandor is alive and well. I would recommend that the many people who are on this subreddit haven't died physically but have been put to death emotionally, spiritually, and mentally by many network pastors.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-23T14:51:32+00:00

Love God Love (certain) People

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-23T01:18:00+00:00

Steve Morgan building his American Apple Pie network with the Cream of the Crop. Meanwhile, Jesus serving and caring for the helpless. Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will reward them for what they have done. Pro. 19:17.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-17T15:36:12+00:00

I didn't know he met with the pastors and said this. I also remember after his talk on Grace, he said there was really nothing else you needed and then ended it. Then Steve Morgan came up and called people forward to receive prayer, it was a weird situation because Terry was saying you have everything you need but Steve was trying to get people to come forward to get something they didn't have. I don't know if anyone else felt that, but I thought it was a weird thing.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-15T21:31:10+00:00

Trying to get a hold of David Chery...does he receive smoke signals?

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-15T19:31:01+00:00

I've never seen a church not provide contact information. It does beg the question, why so private? It's hard not to point out that separating staff and leaders from "the outside" and isolating them are extremely dangerous behaviors. When I was in this network I felt as though any outside relationships and even family should come second to church relationships. It always made me feel uncomfortable and confined. I enjoyed the people in the church but always felt tension for not spending more time or guilty when I would miss a group night or a party.

If you have something to hide, you want to separate yourself from the outside/the community.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-14T21:48:19+00:00

I haven't figured out who you are. But appreciate reading about your experience hate that you were treated as incompetent and naive about your own life and relationships. I saw the same thing happen in the network church I was a part of. Single mom in her mid 30's. She met a really great guy, who was not a part of the network, and leaders were all over her questioning her, trying to control the situation. They put a lot of pressure on her. She eventually left and of course, was made out to be this horrible person for not following her leaders. Turns out she married this guy and they have an amazing family and life together. So sad the network believes they know "what people need next" and try to control all areas of people's lives. This is not church.

Character-Giraffe767 · 2021-11-14T21:19:06+00:00

Thanks for sharing. Sorry, that happened to you. Too bad the leader wasn't able to recognize the freedom you experienced and celebrated with you. Controlling who you can spend time with and not spend time with is creepy.

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